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dlastmango said:
Do you think the batteries would last longer with the Intel Chips or is it basically the same on power consumption. Talking powerbooks or iBooks of course.

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Chris

That Question is at this time impossible to answer.

Factors for that would depend on the speed of the processor, the type of battery used, and the charge capacity of what that battery is capable of.

I would imagine that Apple would want to make the battery life as best as they possibly can, but the specifications for the new books are still speculative at best for "most" people on these forums.
 
or desperately trying not to fall behind

bigandy said:
I can see them dropping the bomb of a dual core intel powered iMac in January, surpassing the power of most peecee desktops, just so they can give everyone the finger.
Huh?

More likely that as soon as Yonah starts to ship many of the PC vendors will have dual-core Yonah small form factor desktops as well as dual-core laptops. Apple won't be giving anyone the finger when everybody's using the same chips!

If Apple doesn't do something as soon as possible, they'll be seen as falling further behind on the portables - and suddenly the iMac will seem quite slow and dated (compared to the Intel SFF systems). :eek:
 
I'm Shocked!

What! Man I was sure hoping for a new iPod. The iPod has gone so long without an update. Apple rarely updates the iPod. It is in need of drastic updates. The Powerbook on the other hand just had a major redesign and major update 3 years ago, I think that it could hold off for oh at least another 12 months or so.

And the iMac, well we all know that it really needs to be the first mac with intel because it is the one mac computer that is so far behind the competition that it is embarrassing Apple. So it reaaly needs to the first one that makes the switch.
The trusty "old" Powerbook though, well they'll get to it when they do, but it's fine for a good long while.

OK I am being facetious just a tad bit.
 
Baloney

Baloney. Apple isn't going to boost the Powerbook before the iBook, especially after the last upgrade. The iBook, being the lower end machine, would be due for an upgrade before the Powerbook, not to mention the Powerbook was just upgraded. I don't think Apple is going to release anything that isn't based on the Yonah or better. I think January may be too optimistic for any Intel Macs. I'd put my money sometime around March or April.
 
What is the software situation?

Amongst all the discussion about this topic I have seen many a post about the native OSX softwarethat will be available (IE iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie, iTunes etc...)

I highly doubt that Apple is so desperate to release the new Mactels that they would release a bare-bones version of OSX. That would make no sense whatsoever.

Imagine this: "Today apple released their new line of computers powered by Intel Processors today. Incorporating the new Yonah processors by Intel, the new machines are setting record speeds on all levels. But unfortunatley you can't do a single thing on these computers because every piece of software is still a year away. Word processing, photo editing, even their trademark movie player "Quicktime" has not yet been ported! But does that really matter becase you will at least have a great machine!"

Seriously... Maybe I am just dumb though :)
 
Photorun said:
Need I remind everyone on this thread we're talking about AppleInsider.com... aka "used to be relevant in 1998 and even then maybe not." They are, in fact right... about 3% of the time.

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Move along people, nothing to see here.

Actually there is something to see here. A couple things. First the one consistent rumor right now is something in January. What that might be is anyone's guess. But pretty much everyone is saying it at this point. (Whether this is another case of getting the rumor from the first to post it. *shrugs*)

Secondly the fact that the rumors are all over the board means that (at least one of the rumor sites.) heard about a release and is filling in the blanks. IMHO think secret's rumors are a "lets be different then everyone else" rumor because frankly iMacs before Mac Minis makes NO sense whatsoever.
 
Will Cheyney said:
Erm... The iPod has just been updated. Video? :rolleyes:

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shawnce said:
I just don't see anything other then consumer grade systems going Intel in 1Q06. I also exclude the iMac given the recent update (unless Apple just doesn't care about recovering cost of the chip set).

The reason I exclude pro systems (PowerBook, etc.) is that likely many professional applications (including a few of Apple's) will not be ready with Intel native versions in 1H06 (unless some companies are just blowing smoke). I think Apple would hold off until a little later as result and to let the consumer system prepare the market by showing how well they work for Mac OS X and with native applications (I believe all of the Apple iLife applications could be ready in 1Q06, and many many of the small vendor 3rd party apps will be ready, lots already are).

Of course in general I personally still doubt they will release any Intel systems in 1Q06... 2Q06 yes, but additional detail in rumors may start to change my opinion.

It will be interesting to see how ready game vendors are...


One thing to note though. What is the likelihood of Rosetta apps on a dual core x86 PowerBook running FASTER or as fast as on G4 PowerBook??? Apple was claiming up to 80% of the speed of a PPC through Rosetta. I had thought benchmarks somewhat proved this. (Someone ran benchmarks though Rosetta.)
The reality is the G4 PowerBook is in a shambles right now. The biggest bottleneck right now isn't the CPU and its clocks. It’s the FSB and its pathetic 167Mhz. I'm wondering if there could be enough of a performance gap to make an x86 PowerBook worth while even though many of the pro apps will only run on Rosetta. Also keep in mind that all of Apple's pro apps are probably ready or very close to being x86 ready. That represents a significant number of apps used on the Mac.

So what happens if. . . In January Apple announces PowerBooks shipping in March with said PowerBooks

-Running Final Cut Pro, Soundtrack Pro, Motion 2, DVD Studio, Aperture, Logic Pro, Shake, all of iLife and iWork natively. With Rosetta apps running at 90% performance of the G4 PowerBook?

Yah I’m playing WAY fast and loose with the performance guessing but what if?
 
This is probably the most ridiculous rumor yet. I have very little faith in AppleInsider's "extremely reliable sources and a several-month-long investigation." This one just doesn't make sense, and belongs on Page 2 at best.

The PowerBook, while having been updated only a few weeks ago, is designed to be an on-the-go workstation for professionals...professionals that use big programs like Photoshop, which isn't a universal binary yet. Yes, Rosetta is great, and will help smooth out the transition, but it isn't a replacement for a native third-party application, especially if running this application is vital to your daily work!

The iMac, which has also been updated recently, is another very unlikely candidate for Intel processors. The PowerPC G5 likely outperforms anything that Intel has to offer at this time.

Let's remember here folks that the transition is slated to take place from 2006-2007, and not all programs are universal binaries yet.

The Mac mini, on the other hand, would be a wonderful recipient of Intel processors. Aside from a few speed bumps, it hasn't really been heavily updated at all since it's introduction, and from what I've heard sales have been slowing since the "specification grab bag" incident. The Mac mini, after all, is pretty much an experiment if you think about it, why not throw an Intel chip in it? If they do so, it should come with a Core Image capable graphics chip and Front Row. Releasing an Intel Mac mini as early as January could also pressure developers to expedite their universal binary efforts without alienating them.

Apple is in a transition phase right now. Transitions are difficult and need to be carefully planned and orchestrated in order to be successful. Apple has proved to be quite capable of making bold and exciting changes, and the switch to Intel processors will be no exception. They will do it correctly, and not rush into things, or make poor decisions. After all, this is Apple we're talking about!
 
bigrustyjc said:
I completely agree with you here. Why would apple release a new Powerbook first when pro users are the target audience of the powerbooks. Why make the pro-users who do the most critical computing on their powerbooks beta testers? It doesn't make sense.

It makes sense, simply because: the "pro" user is dead.

Apple is not interested in selling PBs to pro users anymore, that's right, all you winos, bearded movie director and photographers can take it and shove it up your a$$.. Steve doesn't give two hoots about you.

The recent horizontal line issue on the new updated PBs is a testament to this. What Steve wants is just a sleak stylish laptop that he can push out to the MASSES who *think* of themselves as pro users.

You other pro users? "Think different"? haha, you are probably too tied to FCP and Logic to switch, what are you gonna do when you get stuffed over, switch to Intel?

Steve knows he can keep screwing the "pros" and no adverse effect will come out of it, he knows it.

Just in case you are wondering, the recent increase in mac sales is so not dependent on pro users btw...
 
Marx55 said:
Besides, remember that Apple does not have to worry and invest on development of the logic board. Intel does it. Apple will use Intel logic boards on Mactels.
I doubt it. If they use stock boards they won't be able to lock down OSX and prevent you from running it on non-Mac x86 machines.
 
I can't see Apple actually using Rosetta in any final Intel Mac..
It's designed as a stop gap temporary bandage until the apps are ported to Intel.
Using Rosetta in a real world Intel would make for a lot of jokes from the Windows community..
Just my opinion..We all have em!:)
 
AidenShaw said:
Huh?

More likely that as soon as Yonah starts to ship many of the PC vendors will have dual-core Yonah small form factor desktops as well as dual-core laptops. Apple won't be giving anyone the finger when everybody's using the same chips!

If Apple doesn't do something as soon as possible, they'll be seen as falling further behind on the portables - and suddenly the iMac will seem quite slow and dated (compared to the Intel SFF systems). :eek:


yeah, but look at the way OSX could potentially be running on intel - i'm sure it's going to be far more powerful per MHZ than windows. i don't see even pc machines from similar companies competing, because they don't have the operating system edge.
 
Bear said:
For Photoshop? It could be that bad. Remember Rosetta emulates a G3, so Photshop under Rosetta will not have acess to SIMD (AltiVec on G4, G5) type instructions.
Not only is Photoshop under Rosetta bad, it's not credible. One presumes that Adobe already has SSE2/3-optimized routines for its Windows product. Plug them in and go.
 
ksz said:
Promises promises. Apple has been the unfortunate victim of promises. They need a far more confident, capable, and aggressive supplier. Intel is that supplier.
Intel has a long history of schedule delays, cancellations, and general promise breaking. For starters, just look those poor suckers (HP, SGI) who bet their futures on Itanium.
 
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Pro apps won't run on macintel for 2 or 3 years so the tower, powerbook and iMac won't be updated first. The mini that's been promoted as the switch model needs to go first and hopefully as a mediacenter with frontrow. The rest is just FUD to misguide the rumors sites. :mad:
 
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