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If we had any idea how many products went unreleased we would probably think every company leader was a total failure. Not a good indicator of someone's leadership abilities. Look at the company valuation.
I wholeheartedly believe Intel is still going to provide CPUs for the high-end Mac Pros for many, many more years to come. Apps like Avid, ProTools and Resolve are very unlikely to be rewritten for Arm-based CPUs anytime soon.
For those who think ARM processors can't be powerful
ARM-based Japanese supercomputer is now the fastest in the world
Fugaku is being used in COVID-19 research
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What is your assumption based on? How much of the code base actually has to be rewritten vs. simply flipping the switch and recompile?
The A12Z in the iPad Pro outpaces the Intel processors in the majority of laptops sold today, be it Macs or Windows laptops. Apple will build on that.
Well, the demos of LR/PS/FCP sold me on the ARM. I honestly was about to get a 16" MBP this week but now, I will wait and hang on to my 2015 MBP until the new chips are available. Like you said, the portable computers will benefit a lot from these. Can't wait.
And yet it seems like every time you see an audio recording studio or video production studio they're using Macs...
Arm-based processors are Apple's next big thing... do you really think those apps will simply ignore it? No... they're gonna rewrite the software.
If ProTools cannot run on a future Mac... that's pretty much the death of ProTools.
In 2010, Apple released newly updated MacBook Airs that started at $999. In 2020, the newly updated MacBook Air starts at ... $999.Okay. $1299. I don’t remember what PCs cost then, but probably these weren’t “elitist.”
So, for a few minutes, Apple was not elitist.
Apple products always have been premium. We can debate the degree of “Apple Tax” (it is lower for base models and higher for upgrades such as RAM and SSD), but they aren’t in the business of making lower-end devices.
Same with Adobe. Most creative folks use Macs. No wonder Adobe is already optimizing it for the ARM. This is what sold me yesterday. Also the fact you can run iPad apps on the Mac. I can use my iPad pro and toggle back and forth with my future Mac using Adobe apps. That sounds like a win, especially when you can do Photoshop work using the Apple Pencil on the iPad and finalizing it on the Mac, vice-versa.
I'm old enough to remember the transition from Motorola to Intel, and the Pro users migrated later than the home market due to needing software and peripheral support. I'd expect the same with this transition. Replacing software / peripherals are often more expensive for pros than the mac itself. I've stuck with Mojave only because it's the last OS compatible with Adobe CS6 and my 14 year old ScanSnap. In a few years I'll likely upgrade everything after there is good hardware and software support for ARM.
Currently Intel/Apple is already ridiculously behind AMD Ryzen 4000 series notebooks. The AMD eight core machines are monsters. The 4900HS notebooks reach 4200 points in Cinebench compared to the Macbook Pro 16 inch with 3400 points at similar power consumption. And AMD is just getting started cranking up the number of cores.
So being faster than current MacBook Pro is not enough, they have really be like 50 % faster than the current Macbook Pro to be competetive. And Intel will also strike back, if they dont want to get killed by AMD In the long run. All Other important notebook manufacturers are changing to AMD, which never happened before.
So being faster than current MacBook Pro is not enough, they have really be like 50 % faster than the current Macbook Pro to be competetive. And Intel will also strike back, if they dont want to get killed by AMD In the long run. All Other important notebook manufacturers are changing to AMD, which never happened before.
For those who think ARM processors can't be powerful
ARM-based Japanese supercomputer is now the fastest in the world
Fugaku is being used in COVID-19 research
Not that simple without looking at other metrics like performance per core, power consumption, cost, etc. Fugaku dwarfs other HPCs at 7,299,072 cores. For performance per core and power consumption, #7 Selena on top 500 HPC list is more impressive and it uses a combination of AMD Epyc CPUs and Nvidia GPUs.
https://www.top500.org/lists/top500/2020/06/
Kuo says the arms are 50-100 percent faster than current macs. So there ya go.
Also, around 1996-1997, all other important notebook manufacturers adopted AMD. They also sold Intel. Nothing came of it long term.
Mail crashes every 1-2H, often in the middle of a letter. Reminders sometimes crash. I used to hop on betas on day 1, but since Catalina...NEVER AGAIN. So to add to a software only issue with a different architecture, we are looking forward to hardware compatibility issues. Also, a lot of the research stuff I use that are often developed under Linux with intel machines will become incompatible. There's a very good chance I'll have to end up switching back to Intel PCs
Lets hope so. Otherwise the mac is dead as general pupose platform outside the Adobe/Video/Graphics bubble. I dont think professional software will be ported to a machine that is only just as fast as x86. Maybe ARM Linux has to safe the mac, because there seems more willingness to port software than under Windows and the ecosystem is already quite good.
to be honest, I can tell why Apple wants to move away from Intel. Look at the success of iPhone and iPad. They can be successful because they use apple's own silicon and not wait for Intel's. Moving to apple's own silicon on Mac? does that mean the hackintosh industry is gone? lol
Good point. If there is ever a time to under promise and over deliver, this is it.
Exactly. PC Laptop manufacturers will take serious note of ARM after this.
Even on the x86 side Intel is facing serious competition from AMD like they haven't in a long time.
Predicting the total demise of Intel would be a bit dramatic but their throne is really under threat now.
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what if intel buys arm?
I guess we all know the reason🤣
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I seriously doubt the ARM will out perform x86. The reason Apple switching is because it might give comparable performance for the average daily user while Apple no longer have to buy chips from intel(saving money) and they and their developers no longer have to develop separate apps for x86 and ARM which makes their developers happier and give them easier time.
What I dont get is how Mac Pro will perform on ARM. Maybe ship it with 6 of the most powerful ARM chips to catch up with intel
I guess we all know the reason🤣
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I seriously doubt the ARM will out perform x86. The reason Apple switching is because it might give comparable performance for the average daily user while Apple no longer have to buy chips from intel(saving money) and they and their developers no longer have to develop separate apps for x86 and ARM which makes their developers happier and give them easier time.
What I dont get is how Mac Pro will perform on ARM. Maybe ship it with 6 of the most powerful ARM chips to catch up with intel
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ARM isn’t a company Intel can buy... it’s a type of processor architecture that many companies are using.
Apple still has to rely on Intel so they probably need to stay on good terms. I dont think Thunderbolt is going anywhere.
Kind of interesting that they're moving back to RISC, it'll be almost like they never left PowerPC.
Perhaps Apple will be able to beat the leading CPU manufacture Intel, and therefore AMD on the first generation ARM. I expect they will be able to though since it's first party development for their own OS and due to how well their other CPUs are doing. It's good they didn't go to AMD for CPUs, none of us want performance downgrades.
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Considering most of Intel's components are on par or beating the competitor while Intel are using a largely four year old architecture, it really shows the competitor hasn't done too well. Intel just needs to release a brand new architecture across their portfolio, hopefully by next year.
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Considering most of Intel's components are on par or beating the competitor while Intel are using a largely four year old architecture, it really shows the competitor hasn't done too well. Intel just needs to release a brand new architecture across their portfolio, hopefully by next year.
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Deja vu!
Once we migrated to Apple's newest chip... one thing we do know for sure — these new Macs will be extremely powerful. From what I understand, Mac Pro was the last PPC to migrate to Intel so Mac Pro will be the last one to migrate to A chip. I cannot wait for performance. This will probably blow Intel/AMD by 10 miles wide.
Once we migrated to Apple's newest chip... one thing we do know for sure — these new Macs will be extremely powerful. From what I understand, Mac Pro was the last PPC to migrate to Intel so Mac Pro will be the last one to migrate to A chip. I cannot wait for performance. This will probably blow Intel/AMD by 10 miles wide.