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Intel Shares New Details on Low-Power Core M Broadwell Processors

I sure as hell don't want a MBA running off one of these chips, these are the next version of the Atom-class X86 processors - too underpowered for laptops. ULV/mobile chips or nothing.
 
chrisbru said:
Good thing your opinion is very unpopular. Tablets are here to stay. The "enthusiast CPU market" is not a very large or profitable market.
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Yeah, the idea that super low-cost computers are on their way out is laughable.
 
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That's one massive die for the iGPU. I think the one on the left is the iGPU? Or is it the die on the right?

Either way, it's huge! :eek:
 
Dilster3k said:
I really doubt Apple would even release a device with constant heating issues unless they fix the issues...
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. Apple has a pretty bad track record when it comes to graphics cards. As an owner of a 2011 MBP I consider myself a beta-tester for Apple. As of thousands of others.
I've been using Apples since 1996. Because of budget-constraints I'll go for a new Mac Mini now. Wouldn't buy an Apple laptop ever(!) again – at least no laptop with a discrete GPU.

Wait another year or two & radeongate will most likely hit the current retina line...
 
chrisbru said:
Depends on how it turns out. The way you envision it, sure, it would be difficult to use. But Apple wouldn't come out with this concept unless it was both attractive and easy to use.

If it worked as well as my current MBA and I could throw it in a gym bag without worrying about it bending, that would be awesome.
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I'm excited about the potential for bendable monitors and smartphones, but I can't imagine a situation where a bendable laptop body would offer any benefit beyond what we have now besides weight and slightly more convenient portability. If it has no moving parts, you'll lose haptic feedback on the keys. If it has keys, it'll be more like a segmented body you can twist into a cylinder.

Both of these would end up being a lot like the Surface Pro keyboards. And we all know what people think of those around here.
 
Beliblis said:
Yeah right... Macbook with fanless design.

I may(!) consider buying that if Apple finally acknowledges the 2011 MBP GPU overheating problem ('radeongate').
Other than that: Who in their right mind would to spend 1k on a laptop that may overheat any moment?
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This is just silly... the idea is to make a laptop that can keep cool without a fan, not to make a laptop that "may overheat any moment". Whether they can make it work well or not is the question, not whether it is a good theory.
 
Beliblis said:
Wait another year or two & radeongate will most likely hit the current retina line...
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Not so much with nVidia chips? I've been rocking the discrete 750m for a few months now and there haven't been any issues at all.
 
12-18 hour macbook pro and 20hr mac air would be amazing as long as performance is increased or kept the same.

I have a feeling these are destined for cheaper mac air and iMac lines but it's not going into the iPad for sure.
 
Sounds like a very promising chip! Low power, smaller, with less heat is the dream of many people. Should be very popular with system builders and consumers!
 
Dilster3k said:
Not so much with nVidia chips? I've been rocking the discrete 750m for a few months now and there haven't been any issues at all.
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Apple has had issues with nvidia chips too, gotta give GPU's some time to fail. ~2 years in most cases

8600m GT I believe it was

keep those vents clean, not sure about how to clean apple heatsinks, but heat is always what breaks GPU's
 
ricci said:
Another Intel Broadwell tease! This is killing me! Intel needs a swift kick In the rear already. It's late , it's back on track, oh it's delayed again but now it may come by the holidays ?! Aahhhhhhhhhh!!! I need two things , MacPro with this next Gen proccessors and a MacBook Pro with this amazing next Gen Processors! Go to Intel or Google too see what is so exciting about this next Gen Processor !! Bring it already!
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You won't see a broadwell mac pro for a long time. Remember that cpus appropriate for those are on an entirely different release cycle.

Renzatic said:
I'm excited about the potential for bendable monitors and smartphones, but I can't imagine a situation where a bendable laptop body would offer any benefit beyond what we have now besides weight and slightly more convenient portability. If it has no moving parts, you'll lose haptic feedback on the keys. If it has keys, it'll be more like a segmented body you can twist into a cylinder.

Both of these would end up being a lot like the Surface Pro keyboards. And we all know what people think of those around here.
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I could see these things more with tools like projector screens where a rollup screen could become an emitter rather than a reflective surface for better color fidelity and less potential for interference.

Dilster3k said:
Not so much with nVidia chips? I've been rocking the discrete 750m for a few months now and there haven't been any issues at all.
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If issues appear do appear, they won't appear this early. You have owned the machine a few months, and you represent a single data point. Check Apple discussions approaching the two year mark if you want a better idea. The radeon threads seemed pretty endless. Mine may still be going, but I suspect it's just a matter of time before I'm hit with it.
 
herocero said:
i would not be surprised if apple gets the convertible two-in-one form factor down before the competition, assuming component parts reach the appropriate power envelope and dimension. the picture in the anandtech piece with the Broadwell-Y package next to earlier ones is pretty impressive. a 10" iPad retina/macbook air with a new thunderbolt monitor/dock would be pretty epic.
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Well, they won't get it down before the competition because the Yoga and Yoga 2 have been out for over a year.
 
Pegamush said:
usually thickness goes hand in hand with weight, and since we got to the point that any intel ix chip is fast enough for 95% of the use of a computer (for MY needs) then i'd rather have a laptop that it's lighter.
i agree, there's a limit to thinness, but as long as i have a hinged screen and some usb ports, it doesn't necessarily bother me.

ps. i forgot: and a decent keyboard!
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A few millimetres less in thickness isn't going to make any noticeable difference in weight. And like you said, there's a limit to how thin a computer can get before other things get in the way. Like the USB port - the computer can't be thinner than the port itself.
 
bwillwall said:
This is just silly... the idea is to make a laptop that can keep cool without a fan, not to make a laptop that "may overheat any moment". Whether they can make it work well or not is the question, not whether it is a good theory.
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Yep, it is silly. With the 2011 MBP line they failed to make a laptop that can keep cool WITH a fan.
Plenty of people who had a 500 Euro logic board replacement done by Apple (several times!) and even that didn't fix the problem.

I'm just saying I wouldn't trust Apple in keeping laptops cool enough to last longer than 2-3 years.
 
xVeinx said:
Don't bet on it. ARM processors, such as NVIDIA's Tegra K1 variant and Apple's A7 processor, are quite powerful while having low TDP. The cost of an Intel processor in a Macbook Pro adds hundreds of dollars to the BOM. There will be a day soon when the ARM processors will hit the right performance metrics in both graphics and CPU, and the TDP and cost could be substantially lower (particularly the cost). Intel can produce processors that will be able to meet the performance/TDP ratio necessary for tablets and similar devices, but they are selling these at or below cost at the moment to get market share. That isn't a sustainable business model. If ARM processors can eat away at the Macbook Pro (notebook processor) market, Intel is going to have to meet the OEMs on cost more so than before. Their Fab technology, etc. costs money, and they can't afford that level of competition currently.
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By the time ARM can meet the performance and TDP of today's Intel processors Intel will be way ahead. And what about Thunderbolt and USB? Aren't those only available on Intel and/or x86 chipsets? Is Apple going to move to another proprietary I/O protocol?
 
thekev said:
I could see these things more with tools like projector screens where a rollup screen could become an emitter rather than a reflective surface for better color fidelity and less potential for interference.
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That's almost exactly how I'd imagine them being. You could put them anywhere, bend them into any shape you want, and store them away much more easily. It's a TV you could pop into a picture frame and hang on your wall, or bend into a gentle C shape for that for a more surrounding experience. It's all cool.
 
syan48306 said:
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That's one massive die for the iGPU. I think the one on the left is the iGPU? Or is it the die on the right?

Either way, it's huge! :eek:
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The pictures shown today are for Broadwell-Y. It is a SoC package. Onboard you have the CPU+IGP which are both on the same die. The larger die is for the PCH (Platform Controller Hub) that you would normally find on the motherboard. It is a Multi-chip module.
 
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Hustler1337 said:
A few millimetres less in thickness isn't going to make any noticeable difference in weight. And like you said, there's a limit to how thin a computer can get before other things get in the way. Like the USB port - the computer can't be thinner than the port itself.
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No, it will be proprietary, super-thin ports (patent requires licensing from Apple) and then proprietary adapters at about $29.95 each. Don't try to buy the Chinese ones that look like they should work as the "lightning connector" issue will apply so that only official (Apple licensed) proprietary adapters will actually work.
 
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