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Intel Shares New Details on Low-Power Core M Broadwell Processors
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What?
I see plenty of people still using the old White MacBooks all over the city.
IMo- Apple laptops last much longer than 2 years.
He was talking about a specific model year - the 2011 MBPs (unibody). These have a very well documented flaw where the graphics chip overheats and dies, requiring a replacement main board. Mine has been replaced twice, most recently a few months ago.
There was also a problem with the 2007's, if I recall correctly (I own one of those and also had to have the main board replaced for a similar reason after about 2 years).
I'll be extremely interested to see what Apple has up its sleeve for their A8 this year and A9 next year.
This Broadwell M chip only convinces me further we'll see an A8 that's twice as fast (benchmark-wise) as the A7.
This Broadwell M chip only convinces me further we'll see an A8 that's twice as fast (benchmark-wise) as the A7.
We haven't yet hit a wall with Moore's Law. Given Apples continued success with their own processor designs, I think if Intel can find a way to make strides like they're making with the Broad well M, Apple can continue the performance boosts of their A8.
In other words, physics isn't stopping them yet. Until the laws of physics become a hurdle, I expect Apple to continue their trend of doubling the power of their chips.
Intel owns and controls its fabs, while Apple doesn't. Big difference. Not much Apple can do to influence the fabrication process, unlike Intel.
#innovation
It should continue. It's what Apple has made us expect.
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Yes, unfortunately... They keep buying time by giving little updates to products. They did that to the iPod touch just recently too...
Except that Apple designs their chips...I get they're somewhat limited by the die sizes and such but....
Doesn't TMSC have a 10-nm process? Its slated for 2015 or 2016?
Well, yes, physics can't stop them. You have to wonder if they're going to be able to double it and stay within the power window they want, though.
3G/4G network support. They support already Bluetooth and WLAN standards. 3G chips like the MSM6290 are cheap (< 10 US$) and energy efficient.
True - but again, if Intel can do it, I think Apple can.
Less than a month until we find out!
Intel designs their's too. But most of the Broadwell improvements come from the fab side (i.e. the process). TSMC is not improving nearly as quickly as Intel on the next process node.
entirely dependent on Intel releasing new chips, which has been mentioned ad nauseam.
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nothing is forever. for certain apple is experimenting with it, much as they had been w/ intel chips before going forward with it.
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the heads of Apple have stated several times theyre not interested, that the use cases are too different.
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i spent over double that and my rMBP is fine. so, i would.
No, no, no. No no no, no no no, no no no.
Do you even understand how a RISC processor works? Do you realize that Intel has a workforce larger than Apple HQ devoted entirely to designing better chips?
Broadwell is a heat-focused update, as referenced by this article. There is a 200% reduction in TDP, which is heat. Power consumption is reduced as well.
ARM does not have issues with power consumption or heat output. Any architectural changes made in Broadwell do not translate to better ARM performance in so many ways it's kind of stunning that you even dared to make the connection.
That's like assuming because diesel engines are getting more efficient, then gas engines must be as well. They are, but not because of diesel engines.
I'm not saying the A8 won't be more powerful, it will be, but what you just did is around one ounce of homeopathic water away from a tea-leaves reading.
Well put there...well put...
I am not hyped about all this "budget mobile low-power" stuff...
I get excited when I hear about more powerful stuff being invented and implemented in computing devices. Price is not an issue...
Quad-core has been the most you can get on a Mac laptop for awhile...and although they keep saying they are more powerful, they keep decreasing the clock rates, and then increase it again back to what it was...seems nobody can break 3GHz with a mobile quad-core processor, or invent a 6-core or 8-core mobile...I would be very interested!
So my guess is it's a heat/power issue with that. But there are no "mobile" processors in intel's lineup that are 6/8 cores. Guess they would draw a lot more power and you would need a much heavier battery, which Apple does not want to do, because they are on their "low weight ultra-light" dead-set focus - at the moment.
Yikes, no fan? I sure hope they get this right because I've noticed a tad bit of heat in past Apple products. I love them all, but they do keep me warm year round.
A tad bit of heat? More like being able to fry an egg on some MBP's.
Really? Almost every video website converts to an HTML5 video player for me, for the websites that really do need flash still I use chrome (it has it's own flash).
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What year is your macbook? Haswell has native video encoding my fans on my air don't kick until I start playing games.
I don't game at all and I just use the preset Handbrake settings for ATV 3 encoding (I use iVi much more than hand break as I like it's "pass-thru" mode better and it goes and finds the artwork and info for each encode). The fans are on I'm sure, but I just do't hear them (and I have pretty good hearing).
That's good to hear as I believe that strictly utilizes the CPU . At least when I use handbrake on windows it only uses the processor. Could explain how others say fans rev up for YouTube, as that utilizes gpu too. May have more to do with gpu than CPU.
Also dependent on nVidia releasing a new GPU ... which they did.
They could have, very easily, threw a new GPU into the MBP.
What's wrong with ARM? It may never be faster than x86 at the same timeframe, but performance will become good enough eventually. Apple will then be able to design the chips themselves, or have their pickings of having it manufactured by TSMC, Samsung, Globalfoundries.
Especially with the rise of Apps, the CPU is becoming increasingly commoditized.