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Intel Transition, MacBook Name, and Windows on Mac?
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I dunno if this was mentioned in previous posts, for I just skipped to the end of the thread... but I really can't see them replacing the iBooks name with Macbook (since Powerbooks are Macbook Pros)... the "i" is a trademark to them, and they still implement the "i" in the iMac... I could see the change to Macbook w. the "Power"line but that is just my opinion
It seems to me when Jobs said Apple was "done with Power," it just didn't come out right to me. Why would an computer company struggling to get powerful laptops, and finally gets them say it is done with power? Seems counterintuitive.
I realize Apple wants to get more brand awareness for the Mac brand, but MacBook just doesn't have that cool name that Apple products usually have...though I thought iPod was kinda weird too...still do. As others have noted the Power moniker had nothing to do with the PPC. I'm not sure why they didn't just call the new machine the PowerBook DC (Dual Core).
I realize Apple wants to get more brand awareness for the Mac brand, but MacBook just doesn't have that cool name that Apple products usually have...though I thought iPod was kinda weird too...still do. As others have noted the Power moniker had nothing to do with the PPC. I'm not sure why they didn't just call the new machine the PowerBook DC (Dual Core).
Not Marketable....Yeah Right!
All PowerBook is to all us is a familiar name. Apple didn't sell more laptops because of the name. At an airport the non-Mac users I travel with don't say "oh look there's a PowerBook and there's a iBook...."; they say "oh look at all of the Mac laptops."
What's marketable is that little Apple logo (rightside up which took forever!).
Whatever!
How can you make such a statement.ahmurphy7 said:
All PowerBook is to all us is a familiar name. Apple didn't sell more laptops because of the name. At an airport the non-Mac users I travel with don't say "oh look there's a PowerBook and there's a iBook...."; they say "oh look at all of the Mac laptops."
What's marketable is that little Apple logo (rightside up which took forever!).
Whatever!
darrens said:At least they got MacBook Pro right - doesn't fit on the menu at all. Can't see that particular fast food joint selling literature.
Night - I'm off to bed!
Hopefully there will be some more juicy details from those at MacWorld in the morning Aussie time! I was late to work this morning catching up with all the news.
What about an expert's guide to fast-food?
I'll put in my vote to nickname the new laptops "probooks". It's a compromise, but whaddaya gonna do?
ChrisH3677 said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this as simple. Apple is finally using its real name again: Macintosh.
Mac mini
iMac
Mac Pro
MacBook (iMacBook would be a mouthful)
MacBook Pro
As much as I like the marketing concept of a 'power book', I'm not at all upset that Apple is finally cleaning house with its naming system.
Having "Mac" in the laptop name is very smart for reaching the clueless mass of "what's a Mac?" people. It's good branding and ties all Macs together--finally.
Here on planet Mac we forget how things are on Earth: you can throw a rock in the air and hit someone who doesn't know WHO makes PowerBooks or what they are! In fact, here's a rock... there! Just did it. Point made.
Ironically, the Power in PowerMac DID (originally) stand for PowerPC, while the Power in PowerBook (despite Steve's comment) did NOT. But it's all just "power," apple can keep using the name PowerMac if they wish. I predict that they will stay with that since it has "Mac" already.
I think Steve commenting on "moving away from Power" was an off the cuff comment (and historically inaccurate) and not to be taken too seriously. Adding "Mac" was the real reason I suspect.
My hope: that the future "MacBook"-NON-"Pro" (12"? 13") won't be the ONLY small model. I'd like a small MacBook that keeps as many pro features (dual core, GPU) as possible. Hook up an external display and have it all!
Here on planet Mac we forget how things are on Earth: you can throw a rock in the air and hit someone who doesn't know WHO makes PowerBooks or what they are! In fact, here's a rock... there! Just did it. Point made.
Ironically, the Power in PowerMac DID (originally) stand for PowerPC, while the Power in PowerBook (despite Steve's comment) did NOT. But it's all just "power," apple can keep using the name PowerMac if they wish. I predict that they will stay with that since it has "Mac" already.
I think Steve commenting on "moving away from Power" was an off the cuff comment (and historically inaccurate) and not to be taken too seriously. Adding "Mac" was the real reason I suspect.
My hope: that the future "MacBook"-NON-"Pro" (12"? 13") won't be the ONLY small model. I'd like a small MacBook that keeps as many pro features (dual core, GPU) as possible. Hook up an external display and have it all!
Grand Slam Home Run - Best SteveNote EVER
Well it is definitely up there with the all time greatest hits of SteveNotes. I am at the show. So a grand slam is 4 runs with one hit.
1. iPods RULE. 83% market share is MASSIVE DOMINANCE.
2. iLife '06 is a MUST HAVE KILLER SET of multimedia applications. They've automated ENHANCED Audio Podcast Production in GarageBand 3. This is HUGE for audio podcasters.
3. Yonah Core Duo iMac is AMAZING. Feel sorry for those who bought last quarter. Same feature set, Intel motherboard running 2-3x faster.
4. Yonah Core Duo MacBook Pro is FANTASTIC. Oh the speed 4-5x faster. Must Have 17" version when it ships in Spring (my guess).
When Microsoft announces "Virtual PC" for Intel Macs, the dirty little secret that the new MacIntels will run Windows Natively, only poor people will want to keep buying PCs. And even that is in question once the Mac Mini and MacBooks (formerly iBooks) ship with single processor Yonahs.
Seems like the last PPC iMacs were kind of a trick. I feel sorry for those who just bought one for Christmas. The speed difference is 2-3x faster on the new ones. I am definitely getting a MacBook Pro. But I'm gonna wait for the 17" model as I want the highest resolution screen I can get for video editing. BTW Crucial is listing the 1 GB MacBook Pro sticks for only $130.99 vs Apple's $300. Amazing price difference. They are the only vendor with a listing at Ramseeker.com. DDR2 PC2-5300 CL=5. Is that the expected latency figure? A lot slower than pervious ram isn't it? I guess when you are running at 667 MHz that higher latency number won't matter much.
Downside is the need for .Mac. Looking into if that is completely true.
Well it is definitely up there with the all time greatest hits of SteveNotes. I am at the show. So a grand slam is 4 runs with one hit.
1. iPods RULE. 83% market share is MASSIVE DOMINANCE.
2. iLife '06 is a MUST HAVE KILLER SET of multimedia applications. They've automated ENHANCED Audio Podcast Production in GarageBand 3. This is HUGE for audio podcasters.
3. Yonah Core Duo iMac is AMAZING. Feel sorry for those who bought last quarter. Same feature set, Intel motherboard running 2-3x faster.
4. Yonah Core Duo MacBook Pro is FANTASTIC. Oh the speed 4-5x faster. Must Have 17" version when it ships in Spring (my guess).
When Microsoft announces "Virtual PC" for Intel Macs, the dirty little secret that the new MacIntels will run Windows Natively, only poor people will want to keep buying PCs. And even that is in question once the Mac Mini and MacBooks (formerly iBooks) ship with single processor Yonahs.
Seems like the last PPC iMacs were kind of a trick. I feel sorry for those who just bought one for Christmas. The speed difference is 2-3x faster on the new ones. I am definitely getting a MacBook Pro. But I'm gonna wait for the 17" model as I want the highest resolution screen I can get for video editing. BTW Crucial is listing the 1 GB MacBook Pro sticks for only $130.99 vs Apple's $300. Amazing price difference. They are the only vendor with a listing at Ramseeker.com. DDR2 PC2-5300 CL=5. Is that the expected latency figure? A lot slower than pervious ram isn't it? I guess when you are running at 667 MHz that higher latency number won't matter much.
Downside is the need for .Mac. Looking into if that is completely true.
I think this naming monikre is retarded. If they HAD to get rid of power, they could have been more creative than 'MacBook Pro.' It just sounds stupid. I mean, if they wanted to keep it simple, they could have at least done 'ProBook.' That would've sounded infinitely less stupid, IMO. iMac, ProMac. iBook, ProBook.
macidiot said:
Forgive me if I've overlooked anyone else's response to this.
What you suggest won't work, because EFI isn't like a PC BIOS. BIOS looks at a specific little sector on the start-up disk and blindly runs whatever code is located there. With a Windows installation, that'll be the Windows kernel.
EFI has a more intelligent and customizable way of choosing the OS to load. The firmware of an Intel Mac is almost certainly not designed to mimic an 8086 PC. It won't look for a boot sector, and it won't know offhand what to do with an XP-formatted disk.
Naming
The only reason the computers were named "PowerBook", "PowerMac" was because they had a PowerPC CPU. That is why they are dropping the name. Around the floor there is a feeling that Apple did the right thing and will leave not only the PowerPC architecture in the past but the name that went along with it.
The talk around the hotel last night was that the PowerMac will be called the "ProMac"
The only reason the computers were named "PowerBook", "PowerMac" was because they had a PowerPC CPU. That is why they are dropping the name. Around the floor there is a feeling that Apple did the right thing and will leave not only the PowerPC architecture in the past but the name that went along with it.
The talk around the hotel last night was that the PowerMac will be called the "ProMac"
Hubris
In response to all those claiming that the name "Macbook" is somehow less desirable or marketable, please note that this is Steve Jobs we're talking about. Steve "Reality Distortion Field" Jobs, CEO of the two hottest companies in the country, Pixar and Apple, and arguably the greatest marketing genius who ever lived. Unless you're currently the brightest executive at Chiat-Day, I would be inclined to take Steve's word that "Macbook" is not only a good name, but eminently marketable. I'm betting that inside of two months, we'll see a distinctive silver case with a white stylized apple in the middle of it and think, "Oh look, a Macbook!"
-- Bill
... and *this*, son, is Shinola.
ahmurphy7 said:
In response to all those claiming that the name "Macbook" is somehow less desirable or marketable, please note that this is Steve Jobs we're talking about. Steve "Reality Distortion Field" Jobs, CEO of the two hottest companies in the country, Pixar and Apple, and arguably the greatest marketing genius who ever lived. Unless you're currently the brightest executive at Chiat-Day, I would be inclined to take Steve's word that "Macbook" is not only a good name, but eminently marketable. I'm betting that inside of two months, we'll see a distinctive silver case with a white stylized apple in the middle of it and think, "Oh look, a Macbook!"
-- Bill
... and *this*, son, is Shinola.
nope.
say it out loud.
Mac Book Pro
Power Book
the PB name really is stronger.
The phonetics of it, the cadence...
at least for english-speaking peoples...
say it out loud.
Mac Book Pro
Power Book
the PB name really is stronger.
The phonetics of it, the cadence...
at least for english-speaking peoples...
sfwalter said:
I'll give my first impressions to the group sometime Thursday night. I have a friend that works at an Apple Retail Store that is supposed to be overnighting my mother's iMac to me.
They are going to keep the "i" for crack sakes!
We're forgetting the levels of professionalism and the integration between applications and hardware.. If you say that apple is getting rid of the "i" then they will eventually get rid of the "i" in their line of applications. iBook is totally good to stay to be the white machine with iMac. Which is like the "softcore" version for home/education/little business use. the "i" Applications describes the home/education/little business genre. Where as the MacBook Pro is a great name matching their Pro lines of apps: FinalCut Pro, Soundtrack Pro. Will there be a MacBook by itself? I don't think so.. there isn't FinalCut by itself. So the "Pro" at the end seems to describe more seriousness and it means what it means: professional-grade hardware and software.
xPismo said:
We're forgetting the levels of professionalism and the integration between applications and hardware.. If you say that apple is getting rid of the "i" then they will eventually get rid of the "i" in their line of applications. iBook is totally good to stay to be the white machine with iMac. Which is like the "softcore" version for home/education/little business use. the "i" Applications describes the home/education/little business genre. Where as the MacBook Pro is a great name matching their Pro lines of apps: FinalCut Pro, Soundtrack Pro. Will there be a MacBook by itself? I don't think so.. there isn't FinalCut by itself. So the "Pro" at the end seems to describe more seriousness and it means what it means: professional-grade hardware and software.
while i felt an odd feeling saying "Macbook Pro" and feeling the name was stupid, after saying it a lot i kinda like it... it almost grows on you. i still have other gripes with the machine but not in terms of names...
As for the rest of the line, I think they are going for simplicity. Macintosh. Back to Apple's computer roots. The "i" was once meaningful, standing for internet, is no longer needed.
Desktops - Mac Mini, Macintosh, and Mac Pro.
Laptops - Macbook and Macbook Pro.
As for the rest of the line, I think they are going for simplicity. Macintosh. Back to Apple's computer roots. The "i" was once meaningful, standing for internet, is no longer needed.
Desktops - Mac Mini, Macintosh, and Mac Pro.
Laptops - Macbook and Macbook Pro.
kugino said:
It will run on OSX, but it will be hacked and essentially bootlegged..so I doubt the performance will be that great.
Without the good speeds and performance I don't see why running Vista or whatever on my Mac would even be worth it..
rockthecasbah said:
Internet?? Not too sure about that. i think it stood for "I" like for the individual.
or maybe "INCREDIBLE"
or maybe "INDESCRIBABLE"
... well i dont' know, who am i to say.
I called my local Apple Store to find out when iLife 06 will be available. They finally got smart the automated system says "press 9" for availablity of Macworld products.
I was a little discouraged when I heard "The Macbook Pro will be available by the end of February." I was hoping for an early to mid February.
I was a little discouraged when I heard "The Macbook Pro will be available by the end of February." I was hoping for an early to mid February.
sfwalter said:
iLife'06 is shipping right now.I just got the FedEx tracking number for my order.