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Intel Transition, MacBook Name, and Windows on Mac?
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MacBook Pro, iMac
My 2 cents worth is as follows.
Apple renamed the Power Book I think in part of removing anything that will connect them to the Power PC Chip from IBM. Since IBM does own the trademark Power PC. The PowerBooks were not the first Apple made portables. The first laptop Apple themselves made was The Macintosh Portable. I believe it ran like 8 Mhz. Big and Bulky. Outback was the name of a Mac Laptop Clone that Apple bought out at around the sametime they released the Powerbooks.
As for names. I myself would love to see them bring back the full Name: Macintosh. And the Welcome to Macintosh screen instead of Mac, this iMac that and welcome to Mac OS X.
What it sounds like, to me is that Steve will keep the Mac part of the name. So I would expect to see like the MacBook Pro. iBook changing to iMacBook, or MacBook.
iMac keeping its name. Or switching to Macintosh (wishingful thinking) The PowerMacs Probably will be call Mac Pro? Or Macintosh Pro? The iMac is the Macintosh Classic follow up. It continues the all in one theme of the Macintosh. Since Apple will be approaching 30 years old this April 1, 2006 would be nice to see a new annivers. Mac.
The comment earlier about the design of the current MacBook Pro? I would say is probably on target. Apple did the same when they moved the PowerBook away from 68040 Chip to PowerPC Chips. The first G3 PowerBook had the Same design as the 601, 603e, 604 (first PowerPC Chip) Powerbooks. So I myself would agree that its probably not long before the New MacBook Pros come out in a different design. (maybe a year from now) Probably When Apple decides to release the 17" version etc. If I am right, Apple is probably working on thinner laptops something like the Sharp and Sony ones that were just about cardboard thin. If not a smaller laptop then the 12" Maybe a PocketMac?
I think they will go with the 'Mac' name as they move more into the uniform yet, sexy look stage. As they did from the Color iMacs to the White iMacs. Although, I love to see the iMac in the same black color the iPod nano has that is sharp.
When I think about the new design of MacBook Pro's and MacBooks I am thinking something to keep up with the new nano look very thin, strong (rugged) and very stylish yet uniform. We will see.
My 2 cents worth is as follows.
Apple renamed the Power Book I think in part of removing anything that will connect them to the Power PC Chip from IBM. Since IBM does own the trademark Power PC. The PowerBooks were not the first Apple made portables. The first laptop Apple themselves made was The Macintosh Portable. I believe it ran like 8 Mhz. Big and Bulky. Outback was the name of a Mac Laptop Clone that Apple bought out at around the sametime they released the Powerbooks.
As for names. I myself would love to see them bring back the full Name: Macintosh. And the Welcome to Macintosh screen instead of Mac, this iMac that and welcome to Mac OS X.
What it sounds like, to me is that Steve will keep the Mac part of the name. So I would expect to see like the MacBook Pro. iBook changing to iMacBook, or MacBook.
iMac keeping its name. Or switching to Macintosh (wishingful thinking) The PowerMacs Probably will be call Mac Pro? Or Macintosh Pro? The iMac is the Macintosh Classic follow up. It continues the all in one theme of the Macintosh. Since Apple will be approaching 30 years old this April 1, 2006 would be nice to see a new annivers. Mac.
The comment earlier about the design of the current MacBook Pro? I would say is probably on target. Apple did the same when they moved the PowerBook away from 68040 Chip to PowerPC Chips. The first G3 PowerBook had the Same design as the 601, 603e, 604 (first PowerPC Chip) Powerbooks. So I myself would agree that its probably not long before the New MacBook Pros come out in a different design. (maybe a year from now) Probably When Apple decides to release the 17" version etc. If I am right, Apple is probably working on thinner laptops something like the Sharp and Sony ones that were just about cardboard thin. If not a smaller laptop then the 12" Maybe a PocketMac?
I think they will go with the 'Mac' name as they move more into the uniform yet, sexy look stage. As they did from the Color iMacs to the White iMacs. Although, I love to see the iMac in the same black color the iPod nano has that is sharp.
When I think about the new design of MacBook Pro's and MacBooks I am thinking something to keep up with the new nano look very thin, strong (rugged) and very stylish yet uniform. We will see.
Yes, it is absolutely foreign sounding to English speakers. English has done away with most of it's difficult to pronounce consonant clusters. For example, the letters KN in "knife" was at one time pronounced exactly as it is spelled, as were the letters GN. There are thirty-four acceptable consonant clusters in the English language, and if I had the list; I would bet KB (the C in mac being represented as K) is not one of them.
You should see how much trouble English speakers have learning russian! Common words like кто (kto) and more complicated ones like напутствие (naputstvije) are very very hard for an English speaker to get used to saying.
This Mac Book thing is likely very hard for us to say becuase we say it as one word, thereby violating the hidden rules of what consonants can be pronounced together in English.
(However, PowerBook, RB, is perfectly acceptable to the English tongue.)
JoeBeCrazy said:
Well, if you really look back: i stands for interim. Remember that guy who likes to wear black and saved Apple? The iCEO?
(still, I agree with the comments that 'i' works as a consumer model moniker, but how do you resolve iMacBook? .... actually, after saying it out loud... that could work just fine. . .)
CaptainHaddock said:Forgive me if I've overlooked anyone else's response to this.
What you suggest won't work, because EFI isn't like a PC BIOS. BIOS looks at a specific little sector on the start-up disk and blindly runs whatever code is located there. With a Windows installation, that'll be the Windows kernel.
EFI has a more intelligent and customizable way of choosing the OS to load. The firmware of an Intel Mac is almost certainly not designed to mimic an 8086 PC. It won't look for a boot sector, and it won't know offhand what to do with an XP-formatted disk.
ah good info...
Like this transition
Well, ok, nobody will miss the "old" eMacs, and nobody will miss the name eMac too, but I just bought one 1,25 eMac with 512MB ram and combo drive for 400$. Let's wait for this intel mac's to start selling, I might find myself an iMac G5 for 500$ ?
Well, ok, nobody will miss the "old" eMacs, and nobody will miss the name eMac too, but I just bought one 1,25 eMac with 512MB ram and combo drive for 400$. Let's wait for this intel mac's to start selling, I might find myself an iMac G5 for 500$ ?
- AirMac - New name for Apple's wireless card
- AirMac Extreme - What Apple will call the wireless card that
makes the AirMac obsolete
- MacAir - An empty box with no Mac in it.
- iAir - is human; iGive divine.
- LifePod - Waterproof music device for lifeboats.
- MacLife - A pitiful case of near-isolation followed by
near-obsessive desire for new hardware.
- MacPort - Docking cradle for laptops, modeled after iPod
docking stations.
- MacPod - This will be an iPod that carries a processor and
enough RAM to boot up all by itself, given peripherals. Sort of a
Micro-Mini-Mac. Bigger than an iPod and smaller than a Mac
mini.
- MiniPod - This will be an iPod which is exactly 1 cubic inch
in volume.
- AirPod- An iPod with no connectors, connecting wirelessly for
all synchronization functions.
- BookPod - Apple's long-awaited ebook reader
- AirLife - That would be Apple's new trademarked name for
oxygen.
- PodMac - Apple's new tablet-style iMac, which looks
disturbingly like a gigantic iPod. (Perhaps the 8 pound one with a
10" screen Steve Jobs mentioned yesterday.)
- PortPod - Apple-style Porta Potty. All white and clean
looking. At first.
- PodPort - An adapter for "obsolete" iPod owners (1st - 4th
gen) that gives them wireless connectivity.
- iPort - A wireless receiver to receive streamed iTunes
programming, which fits on your ear.
- PodPod - A backup system for your iPod that copies everything
onto a duplicate iPod.
- MiniBook - An ebook reader you wear like glasses.
- iBook Pro - A laptop for self-employed home business
owners.
- MiniPod shuffle - An iPod shuffle that is only 4 millimeters
across, just large enough to accept a headphone jack.
- PodBuds - Miniature earbuds with wireless reception. You glue
them to your teeth and listen to them through the bones in your
head.
- iMini - Miniature replica of iPod created specifically for
"Austin Powers 4: When Your Last Name Is Obsolete".
- McPod - Content-fixed iPod included in Happy Meals™,
cannot be recharged and only plays the same 3 songs over and over
for about 10 hours.
- microPod - Newly engineered iPod smaller than the width of a
human hair. Sold in batches of 50.
- iMac - Some kind of computer thing. Oh, wait....
- ProMac - A new kind of drug for depressed Windows™ users.
Or a kind of caveman who says it's better to leave your computer
on all the time rather than let it sleep. (Pro-Mac-on Man). You
decide.
- PodPro - A new iPod with 2 Terabyte storage capacity, used to
run radio stations.
- Mac Pro - Proposed name for desktop Macs with Intel
processors, abandoned in favor of MacMac.
- iPro - Software to write business proposals, to be included
with iLife '07.
AndrewMT said:
A 7800 or 6800 would make the MacBook Pro way over 1-inch thin, slice battery life, and add weight. The ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 is the fastest card for a 1-inch thin notebook. Besides, it's 12 Pixel Pipelines is way faster than the Mobility Radeon 9700's 4 PP.
I just cannot believe there is so much whining about the name macBook Pro - not to mention "I'm going to scratch out MacBook" when I get one, comments.
Pathetic.
Grow up.
I expect there would have been similar comments about PowerBook had these forums been around at the time.
Pathetic.
Grow up.
I expect there would have been similar comments about PowerBook had these forums been around at the time.
I think the insistence on changing the name has less to do with the PowerPC, and more to do with distinguishing the Apple products in the marketplace when Jobs & Co. make the inevitable push for more marketshare now that we'll be able to run Windows apps natively (either via dualboot, VPC, etc).
Sure, to all of us "PowerBook" immediately means Macintosh -- but to 90% of the market our beautiful designed machines are just "Mac laptops". If you're going head to head into that market place, however, you want a name that is going to distinguish your product as superior -- or at the very least "different".
A "PowerBook" could easily be a Dell or Acer product, by name alone... but a MacBook -- well that's quite clearly an Apple product, with all of the benefits that entails.
I also think people are having problems with the name because of the three syllable structure and the way we're pronouncing it; but if we think of all new Apple laptops as MacBooks, with the high end being the MacBook Pro line(put the emphasis on "pro" when you say it) the whole thing seems to make perfect sense.
Sure, to all of us "PowerBook" immediately means Macintosh -- but to 90% of the market our beautiful designed machines are just "Mac laptops". If you're going head to head into that market place, however, you want a name that is going to distinguish your product as superior -- or at the very least "different".
A "PowerBook" could easily be a Dell or Acer product, by name alone... but a MacBook -- well that's quite clearly an Apple product, with all of the benefits that entails.
I also think people are having problems with the name because of the three syllable structure and the way we're pronouncing it; but if we think of all new Apple laptops as MacBooks, with the high end being the MacBook Pro line(put the emphasis on "pro" when you say it) the whole thing seems to make perfect sense.
you forgot something
Macdaddy or macmomma -person who uses intel mac
DaMac - user with lots of fine ladies or gents around (whatever you persuasion)
Macking - what you are doing when you are not paying attention to your new intel mac but to those fine ladies or gents (again whatever your persuasion)
sorry had to do it
Macdaddy or macmomma -person who uses intel mac
DaMac - user with lots of fine ladies or gents around (whatever you persuasion)
Macking - what you are doing when you are not paying attention to your new intel mac but to those fine ladies or gents (again whatever your persuasion)
sorry had to do it
irrªtiºnal said:
32bit and 64bit
A little off topic here but.... One of the big selling points on Tiger (for the pro users, anyway) was that it was a 64bit Operating System designed to take advantage of the Mac's 64bit architecture. So now i'm seeing that the new IntelMacs are 32bit. What's the deal? 64bit was just hype?...not really any better?
A little off topic here but.... One of the big selling points on Tiger (for the pro users, anyway) was that it was a 64bit Operating System designed to take advantage of the Mac's 64bit architecture. So now i'm seeing that the new IntelMacs are 32bit. What's the deal? 64bit was just hype?...not really any better?
right, 64-bit was just hype
The main advantage of 64-bit is that a single application (not the system, but a single app) could use more than 4 GiB of RAM.
Since the iMac G5 only supported 2 GiB, the "64-bit feature" was mainly hype. You couldn't use the main 64-bit feature - big memory for a single app.
The Powerbook G4 had a 32-bit CPU, so no real change - except that Yonah's chipset supports 4 GiB of RAM. Once 2 GiB SO-DIMMs are available, you should be able to put 4 GiB in a PB (oops, MBP) or iMac.
Even for the PowerMac G5, 64-bit is mainly hype. Unless you have more than 4 GiB of RAM, you can't really use the extra bits. (And both the G4 and 32-bit x86 can support 64 GiB of RAM - you don't need 64-bit to have more than 4 GiB of physical memory in a system. Jobs' claim that you needed 64-bit to support more than 4 GiB wasn't hype, it was a flat out lie.)
If you do have more than 4 GiB of RAM, you discover that Tiger's 64-bit support is really lame, probably the worst in the industry. A 64-bit app can't use Carbon, or Cocoa, or the GUI. Basically, only a terminal app can be 64-bit.
So, all these years of "RISC is good, CISC is bad" and "PPC is good, x86 is bad", and "64-bit is good, 32-bit is bad" are exposed as marketing hype - not sound technical facts....
A couple of things....pherplexed said:
The main advantage of 64-bit is that a single application (not the system, but a single app) could use more than 4 GiB of RAM.
Since the iMac G5 only supported 2 GiB, the "64-bit feature" was mainly hype. You couldn't use the main 64-bit feature - big memory for a single app.
The Powerbook G4 had a 32-bit CPU, so no real change - except that Yonah's chipset supports 4 GiB of RAM. Once 2 GiB SO-DIMMs are available, you should be able to put 4 GiB in a PB (oops, MBP) or iMac.
Even for the PowerMac G5, 64-bit is mainly hype. Unless you have more than 4 GiB of RAM, you can't really use the extra bits. (And both the G4 and 32-bit x86 can support 64 GiB of RAM - you don't need 64-bit to have more than 4 GiB of physical memory in a system. Jobs' claim that you needed 64-bit to support more than 4 GiB wasn't hype, it was a flat out lie.)
If you do have more than 4 GiB of RAM, you discover that Tiger's 64-bit support is really lame, probably the worst in the industry. A 64-bit app can't use Carbon, or Cocoa, or the GUI. Basically, only a terminal app can be 64-bit.
So, all these years of "RISC is good, CISC is bad" and "PPC is good, x86 is bad", and "64-bit is good, 32-bit is bad" are exposed as marketing hype - not sound technical facts....
64-bit
Well no Apple applications are built on 64-bit technology yet. Every applications run on 32-bit processing. There is a myth about a 64-bit OS. If Tiger is truly 64-bit, then why did they not license any 64-bit programs?? My take on it is that programs don't need to be 64-bit yet. 64-bit G5 was Apple's hope in a future of new applications and processors in 64-bit. Apple has a new plan now... if they really wanted 64-bit applications, they would have asked to use the itanium or just any Intel's 64-bit Chips. Some of the Pro-Apps probably took some advantage of the 64-bitness, but i'm sure they didn't optimized them to work with the G5 completely... since they are making a Universal Binary, they are reprogramming to fit the true 32-bit processes.
Back then, the transistion from 16-32 bit was a long process which was possessed in the 386 chip by intel. We didn't see 32-bit programs until 4-5 years later (thats a lot in computer years) when the Pentium chip came out.
So 64-bit... lets not look at numbers any more. There are still some time until 64-bit becomes a big deal... the G5 was just a powerful chip aside the 64-bitness. To me, i think the G5 wasn't really built FOR the apple like the G3 and G4. Apple and IBM had different plans for chip making. the 64-bit is a marketing scam or just an illusion for a 64-bit wave coming soon. After the G5, i'm sure Apple was already thinking of an alternative because the G5 was really a performance of a souped up G4.
Here's my reasoning: G5's architecture really sucked with Apple stuff. Too hot, Sucked with Firewire 800, YET possessed the ability for PCI Express, better FSB, Bigger RAM. Apple didn't really take full advantage of the PPC970... I kinda think if Apple stuck with Freescale instead of IBM, they would have had better results...
IBM and Apple didn't get along remember? IBM had other plans, plus they were skipping out of the PC market, hence the processors were built for different machines (Mainframe servers... not Desktops).
Intel is great move. They are much more Personal Computer-based. Lets stop looking at 64-bit as a big factor. it never was!
pherplexed said:
Well no Apple applications are built on 64-bit technology yet. Every applications run on 32-bit processing. There is a myth about a 64-bit OS. If Tiger is truly 64-bit, then why did they not license any 64-bit programs?? My take on it is that programs don't need to be 64-bit yet. 64-bit G5 was Apple's hope in a future of new applications and processors in 64-bit. Apple has a new plan now... if they really wanted 64-bit applications, they would have asked to use the itanium or just any Intel's 64-bit Chips. Some of the Pro-Apps probably took some advantage of the 64-bitness, but i'm sure they didn't optimized them to work with the G5 completely... since they are making a Universal Binary, they are reprogramming to fit the true 32-bit processes.
Back then, the transistion from 16-32 bit was a long process which was possessed in the 386 chip by intel. We didn't see 32-bit programs until 4-5 years later (thats a lot in computer years) when the Pentium chip came out.
So 64-bit... lets not look at numbers any more. There are still some time until 64-bit becomes a big deal... the G5 was just a powerful chip aside the 64-bitness. To me, i think the G5 wasn't really built FOR the apple like the G3 and G4. Apple and IBM had different plans for chip making. the 64-bit is a marketing scam or just an illusion for a 64-bit wave coming soon. After the G5, i'm sure Apple was already thinking of an alternative because the G5 was really a performance of a souped up G4.
Here's my reasoning: G5's architecture really sucked with Apple stuff. Too hot, Sucked with Firewire 800, YET possessed the ability for PCI Express, better FSB, Bigger RAM. Apple didn't really take full advantage of the PPC970... I kinda think if Apple stuck with Freescale instead of IBM, they would have had better results...
IBM and Apple didn't get along remember? IBM had other plans, plus they were skipping out of the PC market, hence the processors were built for different machines (Mainframe servers... not Desktops).
Intel is great move. They are much more Personal Computer-based. Lets stop looking at 64-bit as a big factor. it never was!
k28 said:
Yeah, although, as seen, they did register the name "Mobile Me." Maybe that's the name for the new iBook? "Mac Mobile Me." Haha. That'd suck, right?
Or maybe the new name for the new iMac would be a "Mac Me" while changing the name of the PowerMac to "Mac Pro." Then the iBooks would be the "MacBook Me's", or the Macabees? Maybe just MeBook or the MacMeBook? All sucky, but imagine the possibilities....
The MacMac?
The McMac?
Wait. No. The new Power Mac = The Big Mac.
Yes??
And you know, he says he wants to get rid of "Power." Honestly, who says they want to get rid of power when it comes to the computer business?
Lame-o.
At least it's got a bloody name....
Whatever everybody thinks of the name, MacBook Pro is a hell of a lot better than the Apple Q5630 XT 534 or whatever the PC makers are getting away with as "product names." Seriously, you can't go up to a PC owner and ask then what they have without a mix of words, letters and numbers being thrown your way in what appears to be a haphazard attempt to confuse you.
Someone asks you what you have, you say "MacBook Pro." It's an easily marketed name. Sure, Sony have Vaio, IBM have the ThinkPad, HP have the Pavilion but that's not where it ends, Vaio, ThinkPad and Pavilion are just the beginning of names that wouldn't look out of place in a nuclear missile code book.
Whatever everybody thinks of the name, MacBook Pro is a hell of a lot better than the Apple Q5630 XT 534 or whatever the PC makers are getting away with as "product names." Seriously, you can't go up to a PC owner and ask then what they have without a mix of words, letters and numbers being thrown your way in what appears to be a haphazard attempt to confuse you.
Someone asks you what you have, you say "MacBook Pro." It's an easily marketed name. Sure, Sony have Vaio, IBM have the ThinkPad, HP have the Pavilion but that's not where it ends, Vaio, ThinkPad and Pavilion are just the beginning of names that wouldn't look out of place in a nuclear missile code book.
Celebratory Sing-along
(To the tune of 'This old Man came rolling home')
New iMac. Laptop too.
Courtesy of the Intel coup...
And a nick-nack, buy a Mac,
Please don't bloody moan
I want a MacBook in my home.
(To the tune of 'This old Man came rolling home')
New iMac. Laptop too.
Courtesy of the Intel coup...
And a nick-nack, buy a Mac,
Please don't bloody moan
I want a MacBook in my home.