Yea i was really disapointed when apple didnt release a cheap mobile machine with intel. i was looking for an ibook around the 1000 dollar price range and was disapointed when the lowest price book came in at 2000. something i was not ready to fork over for a computer i wouldnt get until febuary. so last night i bit the bullet and bought the crappy 12" i book. that'll have to do until later this year or later next year. how long do you guys think manufacturers will keep making software compatible with powerpc?
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Intel Transition, MacBook Name, and Windows on Mac?
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ifjake said:
Whoever said it would be cheaper? Apple's expense comes from profit margins, better quality component, and custom designed parts. Dell has most of the work done for them. If you look at wintel machines with non-standard form factors, they are not cheap either.
ifjake said:
The Intel Core Duo processors are more expensive for Apple to buy than the G4 processors were - so it's not surprising to me that the new models are a little more expensive. It's still less than I paid for my 1.5Ghz PowerBook a year and a half ago... and they're much faster and have some nice new features. Dropping FW800 was probably a cost cutting measure.
Think of it this way, you're getting 4-5 times the processor power and a much faster front side bus for only a couple hundred dollars more. I'd gladly pay the extra.
the reasons for the name change are apparent
the reasons for the name change are apparent:
1) The name PowerXXXX came from the use of the PowerPC. No more PowerPC, no more PowerMac and PowerBook. There could even be contractual issues with using the name.
2) The name Power came from the days of John Sculley as CEO. We all know the rumour about how Jobs killed the Newton because it was Sculley's baby. This is of course a less likely reason.
3) Even if there are no contractual issues, it does make sense from a marketing standpoint to differentiate the products.
4) Marketing reason number 2, cleaner nameing for product lines. Mac Book Pro and iMac, that leads to Mac Pro for the desktop pro machine and iMac Book for the consumer notebook (though it could still be iBook). Thus we have Mac XXX Pro for pro and iMac XXX or iXXX for consumer.
All of that said, I'm still not crazy about Mac Book Pro, it just has no ring to it and feels clumsy to say. I wish they went with Pro Mac Mobile.
the reasons for the name change are apparent:
1) The name PowerXXXX came from the use of the PowerPC. No more PowerPC, no more PowerMac and PowerBook. There could even be contractual issues with using the name.
2) The name Power came from the days of John Sculley as CEO. We all know the rumour about how Jobs killed the Newton because it was Sculley's baby. This is of course a less likely reason.
3) Even if there are no contractual issues, it does make sense from a marketing standpoint to differentiate the products.
4) Marketing reason number 2, cleaner nameing for product lines. Mac Book Pro and iMac, that leads to Mac Pro for the desktop pro machine and iMac Book for the consumer notebook (though it could still be iBook). Thus we have Mac XXX Pro for pro and iMac XXX or iXXX for consumer.
All of that said, I'm still not crazy about Mac Book Pro, it just has no ring to it and feels clumsy to say. I wish they went with Pro Mac Mobile.
duo core reviews
some info on the current lineup of PC duo core models at
http://www.notebookreview.com/
http://www.pcmag.com/
two things of note: the duo core models beat the previous Pentium M by about 50% (overall) to 200% (content creation) and the battery life is pretty much the same or a bit worse
some info on the current lineup of PC duo core models at
http://www.notebookreview.com/
http://www.pcmag.com/
two things of note: the duo core models beat the previous Pentium M by about 50% (overall) to 200% (content creation) and the battery life is pretty much the same or a bit worse
xejn said:
This is just false - I wish people would stop repeating it.
The first PowerXXXX was the PowerBook 100. The PowerBook 100 had a 68k in it, not a PowerPC.
It's not "Centrino" with Airport Extreme
The code name for the Yonah chipset is "Napa", or 945 Express.
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/945pm/index.htm
The "Centrino" bundle is CPU, chipset, and Intel WiFi mini-PCI card. Without all three, you can't use the name "Centrino".ruud said:
The code name for the Yonah chipset is "Napa", or 945 Express.
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/945pm/index.htm
Goldcard said:
I have to admit I'm quite happy my 5 month old iBook 12" hasn't been obsoleted totally (I could have handled the typical 66MHz upgrade, but not a dual-core beast that's 4x faster) yet. I'm thinking it'll be intelised in March, April at the latest though (Apple's 30th Anniversary ... new hardware?) but that's purely from a selfish point of view.
As for PowerPC compatibility ... probably years to come. Even by the end of this year, 80%+ of Mac owners will be PowerPC. By the end of 2007 60%. Macs last a long time. Intel optimisations will take precendence over PowerPC optimisations though, no Altivec enhancements for the applications that can benefit.
Goldcard said:
The Core Duo has only been out a week - it's the latest Intel mobile processor. I don't think there's a manufacturer out there that has a $499 or $999 Core Duo notebook
Apple would have had to use the last generation Pentium M to make a cheap Intel iBook.
I don't think Apple would consider releasing a Mac with a Pentium inside after bagging Pentiums for so long - even though it's just a name.
When Merom replaces Yonah, then perhaps we will see some really cheap Core Solo iBooks. Not until then.
jennysbelly said:
If you are doing serious graphic design, then go with a power mac (or perhaps soon to be Mac Pro). The full desktop model, esp the new ones, are fast and rumored to perhaps be faster than the intel model which will replace them.
Not to offend you or anything, but if you are looking at a 20" imac and consider that good enough for the graphic design you want to do then running via rosetta should be just fine, just bump up your ram to max. I have an 8 month old imac G5 and run CS suite so they are fine for graphic design, but I am not a full time designer.
not much difference anymore
Better quality components? It looks like the same disks, memory, CPUs, chipsets, graphics, networking and other things have the same part numbers as Dell.
Custom designed parts? OK, there's a TI 1394 chip on the mobo that's not standard on all the other Intel mobos.
Work done for them? Aren't Apples and Dells built by the same contract factories in Taiwan and China?
Before too long, the "Apples last longer" and "Apples hold their resale value" claims will not be supportable by facts.
Profit margins, for sure.BenRoethig said:
Better quality components? It looks like the same disks, memory, CPUs, chipsets, graphics, networking and other things have the same part numbers as Dell.
Custom designed parts? OK, there's a TI 1394 chip on the mobo that's not standard on all the other Intel mobos.
Work done for them? Aren't Apples and Dells built by the same contract factories in Taiwan and China?
Before too long, the "Apples last longer" and "Apples hold their resale value" claims will not be supportable by facts.
Apple Naming
I reckon they'll call the new Powermac just mac:-
iMac
MacBook
MacBook Pro
Mac
Mac Pro
The 'Mac' may just be the new name for the Mac Mini....
What do you reckon?
I reckon they'll call the new Powermac just mac:-
iMac
MacBook
MacBook Pro
Mac
Mac Pro
The 'Mac' may just be the new name for the Mac Mini....
What do you reckon?
Yonah is a "Pentium M"
I wonder if the Steve helped to convince Intel to change the name
Yonah is just a rework of the Dothan Pentium M - but you may have a point.darrens said:
I wonder if the Steve helped to convince Intel to change the name
Hopefully, Apple won't give away the name and after 2007 powerbook moniker will return. IBM/LENOVO won't change the thinkpad name because of the chip the powerbook is a thinking book. The book has power of thought like thinkpad. It had nothing to do with the chip. I think this will actually hurt sales. When going to best buy you will clearly see a mac book or a win book. Well, sorry i need to run windows so I can't use the macbook. Would rather go into Best Buy and see an Xbook and say does this run windows?? Sure, it does but it comes preloaded with OS X but you are more than welcome to install any OS you like. So, a macbook with Windows installed is no longer a macbook it's a winbook.
xbook pro mac / xbook pro win / xbook pro dual boot
xbook
xmac
imac
macmini
xbook pro mac / xbook pro win / xbook pro dual boot
xbook
xmac
imac
macmini
jayscheuerle said:
The name MacBook Pro grows on you. Yesterday when I heard it, I immediately hated it. Now I like it.
It reminds me of when Apple dropped the rainbow colours from their logo and it took me 2 weeks to get over it. Since this only took a day, I'd say it will work well.
Also, for all the gripers out there Apple just released a MAC teleision ad.
David
dogsbody said:I reckon they'll call the new Powermac just mac:-
iMac
MacBook
MacBook Pro
Mac
Mac Pro
The 'Mac' may just be the new name for the Mac Mini....
What do you reckon?
I agree, except I can't imagine them dropping the "mini" name from the Mac Mini. It's too cutesy and exactly what Apple is all about. The branding is great.
I imagine it will either be as you say or call them MacTowers.
David
After about a year of the "MacBook" and other such name changes everyone will be used to it. It's really not that big of a deviation from Powerbook. I guess it doesn't bother me as much as others. I guess I'm more impressed with what's to come concerning "under the hood" and performance.
As for me, I now own a 2 month old, brand-new relic (Powerbook G4).
"Congratulations! Your species is going extinct!"
Doh.
As for me, I now own a 2 month old, brand-new relic (Powerbook G4).
"Congratulations! Your species is going extinct!"
Doh.
...or
...or maybe they'll differentiate the Powermacs with Intel as Mac (single core) and Mac Pro (dual core)...
...or have a smaller tower (i.e. expandable Mac Mini) as the Mac. Wonder if they'll release it on the 1st April as well (they did mention it'd be 30 years or something on 1st April 2006).
Super Dave said:I agree, except I can't imagine them dropping the "mini" name from the Mac Mini. It's too cutesy and exactly what Apple is all about. The branding is great.
I imagine it will either be as you say or call them MacTowers.
David
...or maybe they'll differentiate the Powermacs with Intel as Mac (single core) and Mac Pro (dual core)...
...or have a smaller tower (i.e. expandable Mac Mini) as the Mac. Wonder if they'll release it on the 1st April as well (they did mention it'd be 30 years or something on 1st April 2006).
AidenShaw said:Yonah is just a rework of the Dothan Pentium M - but you may have a point.
I wonder if the Steve helped to convince Intel to change the name
I'm sure Intel knew that it was going to be a hard sell to convince Steve that the new heart of the Mac should be a Pentium.
However, I think it's probably just part of Intel's strategy to get away from Pentium = Wintel PC, and broaden the market to Consumer Electronics with things like ViiV.
It's the same strategy that brought Intel to Apple's door - Intel has admitted it wanted a partner that could bring software to market quickly to take advantage of Intel's hardware advances and that's Apple for sure - there's no way Microsoft moves quickly enough.
But it's chicken and egg stuff.
I wonder what the new high-end Intel chips will be called once Pentium completely bites the dust. Does anyone know? It will be the chip in the intel Power Mac replacement, so it may give a clue to naming.
Macrumors said:
- MacBook Pro naming. Steve Jobs: "It's a new name because we're kinda done with Power and because we want Mac in the name of our products." This would imply that the MacBook name may not only replace the PowerBook but the iBook as well. Also raises some questions about the continued use of the "PowerMac" name.
iBook will continue on - they couldn't risk looksing their low-end college buyers and others who don't need all the power. Also, he didn't say they were getting rid of the "iEtc" name, infact we have new iLife and etc. I suspect a new line of iBooks soon.
