You haven't seen the video of an Intel I9 compared to the silicon from Apple huh?
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You haven't seen the video of an Intel I9 compared to the silicon from Apple huh?
I think anything past Mavericks runs horribly on a system with an HDD. It's ridiculous. A 2011 mini I got from work is running Big Sur via hacks, and it's painfully slow.
Would offer you an old M1 Mac if I had one. When I upgrade, it'll be replacing my 2009 Mac Pro.
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Yes, I haven't. Neat that he's putting in that effort to upgrade an iMac, but for processor comparisons, I'm just gonna read the spec sheets and benchmarks. M1 single-core speed is pretty much unmatched, and multi-core is decent, yet it has the TDP of a low-end mobile CPU.
And heat in a laptop makes a bigger difference than any benchmark will say. My MacPro4,1 performs better IRL in my typical video chat + Google Docs + SWE combo workload (or video chat + games) than the 2019 16" MBP provided by my employer, despite everything saying the Mac Pro is slower, because it doesn't thermal throttle.
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Dr. Strange has seen 7 million futures. On none of them does apple sell its chips to third party vendors.
Was it equally pathetic when Apple started it, with their “I’m a Mac… I’m a PC” commercials?
Yep - the Intel chipsets and drivers are better and more stable than AMD - it’s why I’ve done only Intel since the last time I tried an AMD-based mobo and CPU and it was garbage (albeit that was quite a while ago - ~15 years).
Huh?
Global server share by OS 2018-2019| Statista
In 2019, the Windows operating system was used on **** percent of servers worldwide, whilst the Linux operating system accounted for **** percent of servers.
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Windows has 72% of the datacenter market and Linux has 13%.
Wait, what? Nearly all of Amazon's, Facebook's, Google's, and (I think) even Azure's server fleets run Linux on the actual hardware, but I don't know if Windows within a VM on such systems counts in those stats.Huh?
Global server share by OS 2018-2019| Statista
In 2019, the Windows operating system was used on **** percent of servers worldwide, whilst the Linux operating system accounted for **** percent of servers.
Windows has 72% of the datacenter market and Linux has 13%.
At least Mac vs Windows was a relevant comparison. Mac vs Intel is just weird. Windows users who even care what processor they're using seem to prefer AMD anyway, so it should be about Intel vs AMD.
I don’t know. There’s something missing in these Intel ads that just make them feel more cringey (to me at least) than the old Apple attack ads of old. I can’t put my finger on it. Is it because the ads seem to be as much about laughing at Mac users for presumably being too dumb to know that there’s something “better” on the market? Is it the condescending tone of the entire series? Or maybe that time has passed and what was once considered acceptable decades ago is no longer classy today.
It’s probably also the reason we don’t see Apple do “iPhones vs android” ads any more today, even with their minority market share.
They are worried because you are citing the wrong stats for your "minority share." For example, the iPhone is only 13% of the unit market share. This looks pathetic until you realize that it takes 75% (down from over 80%) of all smartphone profits. Unit share is irrelevant when you're giving the product away. The Intel Mac products captured the majority of all profits in the client computing market. With the significantly lower BOM cost of Apple's amortized silicon the profit share should increase dramatically (Apple no longer breaks out the financial details of this segment). Meanwhile the PC margins are so wafer thin that the only profit that can be made is upselling extended warranty. Lower margins at the OEM level puts margin pressure on the component level. On top of the rich margins Apple also double dips by selling services, such as the App Store, to the installed hardware base.
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When you are the top dog, you don’t need to do ads mentioning the competition. When you see competitor’s ads mentioning Apple, it’s usually a misrepresentation of how well their products match up. Mentioning the competition in an ad automatically makes your product look inferior like you are playing catch up.
Great marketing showcases a product or a feature demonstrating why you need it.
Yes and no. They can afford to loose to AMD in the short term and try to take marketshare back later, but with Apple's chips succeeding the entire industry might switch to ARM chips permanently. That's what they're trying to prevent (not that they are doing a good job of it)
Which raises the question - Intel has to know this. Are they really that desperate, or can an attack ad by the incumbent actually be done right? Or is the best move to simply not engage and pretend that Apple doesn’t exist to begin with?
This. Intel and AMD are x86 rivals that have competed over market share for decades. While Ryzen may be doing well today Intel can potentially come back just like they did during the post Opteron years. Ryzen is not a company ending threat. Apple would seem to be insignificant to Intel for two reasons 1) Most of Intel's profits are made by the data center group with server CPUs not client products purchased by Apple. 2) The largest client CPU customers are Lenovo, Dell, and HP. Although Apple's Mac line have better margins than PC's Intel only cares about unit volume. The reason Apple is a far greater threat than AMD is because Apple can potentially swing public opinion away from the x86 ISA. That could potentially be a company ending event. There have been many projects to put Arm in the data center - Marvell, Ampere, Nvidia, etc. There are also in-house projects by Facebook, Amazon, Google, Microsoft to support their own data center efforts. However, all these projects have relatively low public visibility among the general public. Apple is a different story. As the #1 most valuable brand in the world, the largest company, and consumer facing, the company has tremendous influence among the general public. The fact that the M1 can far surpass x86 in performance / watt is a serious threat to Intel's existence. From this perspective it can be argued that Ryzen is actually good for Intel as it's helping to defend x86's relevance against Arm. AMD and Intel are unlikely allies in a world that is embracing Arm from data centers to client to mobile.
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But then it’s microsoft they should be worried about. Arm has been around for decades, windows for arm, not so long.
Actually, these videos make some points that really hit home with me. Number 1 is the inability to upgrade and/or customize post sales. While that might be bad for Apple sales of new computers in the short run, it would be better for Apple and all life on the planet. I'd prefer to purchase tools that are designed from the outset to be modularized and up-graded as the technology evolves. Less waste, less pollution through better design.
Number 2: Competition is good for all of us. I prefer the Apple interface and ecosystem, e.g., the way Apple upgrades Logic Pro Audio every year it seems. All in all that seems preferable for me. But it has also been years since I tried writing on a Windows PC. so any contempt on my part is out-of-date.
Number 3. One of the biggest reasons for my support for Apple is the quality or their customer support team. When the **** happens they are there to help me get back to work. They are terrific!
On the whole, though, Apple has plenty of room for improvement... many of its system re-designs each year seem more like bloat features than functional improvements in terms of truly making the app easier or more efficient to use. Change for the sake of change is a consistent PITA with Apple, while some core apps have not had a really good code scrubbing in years (Mail comes to mind).
All in all, I love Apple products. But they could become "insanely great" by rethinking their fundamental approach to product design philosophy given the existential threat of climate change. I like to think that's what Steve would be pushing for if he were here at this moment in time.
Number 2: Competition is good for all of us. I prefer the Apple interface and ecosystem, e.g., the way Apple upgrades Logic Pro Audio every year it seems. All in all that seems preferable for me. But it has also been years since I tried writing on a Windows PC. so any contempt on my part is out-of-date.
Number 3. One of the biggest reasons for my support for Apple is the quality or their customer support team. When the **** happens they are there to help me get back to work. They are terrific!
On the whole, though, Apple has plenty of room for improvement... many of its system re-designs each year seem more like bloat features than functional improvements in terms of truly making the app easier or more efficient to use. Change for the sake of change is a consistent PITA with Apple, while some core apps have not had a really good code scrubbing in years (Mail comes to mind).
All in all, I love Apple products. But they could become "insanely great" by rethinking their fundamental approach to product design philosophy given the existential threat of climate change. I like to think that's what Steve would be pushing for if he were here at this moment in time.
I know you're a “newbie” (even though all signs point to you having been a lurker for seven years now) and all, and I'm sorry to embarrass you (well… you are clearly doing a great job of doing just that on your own), but…
Dude, seriously? Do you realise that Windows 11 has already been ported to “M1” (not Apple's implementation of ARM per se, but to the ARM ISA nonetheless), as was Windows 10 and Windows 8 RT before it, all the way back in 2012? The correct word is not “ported”, but “licensed/supported”.
Clearly you are either a troll, misinformed or haven't been paying much attention to MR. The post immediately before this one touched precisely on this subject, go and educate yourself on the matter: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/15/parallels-17-1-update-windows-11-vtpm-support/
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Um, maybe read the post again before attacking it like that. They said ported to macOS, not ported to ARM.
Maybe that was true in 2018, which is the year your statistics are from, but the world of servers has changed a lot since then. Today's numbers peg Windows at less than 25% of the market.Huh?
Global server share by OS 2018-2019| Statista
In 2019, the Windows operating system was used on **** percent of servers worldwide, whilst the Linux operating system accounted for **** percent of servers.
Windows has 72% of the datacenter market and Linux has 13%.
Huh?
Global server share by OS 2018-2019| Statista
In 2019, the Windows operating system was used on **** percent of servers worldwide, whilst the Linux operating system accounted for **** percent of servers.
Windows has 72% of the datacenter market and Linux has 13%.
Installed base statistics are misleading. In 2018, Microsoft only accounted for 48% of the OSs on shipping server units. In 2020, that number was down to 39%. That is the textbook example of having your lunch ate.
Exactly this. The perception to consumers was that ARM was a relatively slow CPU designed for phones. Microsoft‘s ARM-based Surfaces reinforced this perception. The fact that, for years, there were no visible examples of ARM performing (and performing well) in a personal computer let Intel slide. Apple demonstrating that ARM can out-perform Intel in some areas and stoutly compete in others while getting drastically better battery life is going to make customers look again when a new round of ARM-based computers come out using Qualcomm or Samsung CPUs. Even if they are not performing at Apple Silicon levels. Chromebooks are already chipping away at the low end of the Wintel market. Arm PCs could easily start taking over the next tier up in the market next as well as start putting more pressure in the datacenter.
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That’s never going to happen unless Apple wants to commit corporate suicide and go out of business. The time Apple allowed clones nearly killed them because the clones went after the high profit margin area and Apple was left with crumbs. The moral of the story is that you don’t sell your technology advantage to your competitors or your frienemies.
There’s a lot more on the internet than what those guys run/host. And you didn’t even state ‘internet’; you said ‘datacenter’ and there are tons of those hosting servers for on-prem use - far more than are on the internet. Tons of corporations have their own data centers.
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ROFL yeah, right. You think Windows went from 72% of the server market to less than 25% in 2 years? You and the other poster are not looking at overall datacenter use - you’re probably just looking at internet-facing web hosting or something.