Intel Tweet Asking Why Former Mac Users Switched to PC Backfires

[HerbertDerb]

Even tho i'm a huge Apple fanboy (11 Pro max, AW5, m1 iPad pro, apple tv etc.)

I have used Mac's in the past, but for me Windows is way to go. I use Windows at work + i'm super familiar with it. Also i plan to upgrade to ADL/ZEN3D for gaming purposes.

In my use case Mac is not for me, but who gives a ****? It's pathetic that Intel has to those Mac Vs. Intel *****.

Some like MacOS some Windows (for example pc-gaming will likely not move from windows any time soon). Intel should just focus on Alder Lake on Win11 (which looks fairly competitive vs. AMD in early leaks) and grow up.

But if i didn't own a iPad i would go with Mac laptop 100%. For desktop use Win10/11 is way to go.

 

[wirefire]

This is leftover from the "Wintel" marriage in hell. In order for Intel to promote itself it by default has to promote windows. Linux has no consumer footprint to speak of and judging by the sound of it one day linux will be an option on the ARM Mac.. (not a good one necessarily... but an option). Intel is by default "Windows"... and it is their own fault. The disaster with the 10nm node is what caused apple to make their own chips, or it was at least one of the final nails in the coffin. PC manufacturers want revenue and revenue is tied directly to release cycles. Intel SCREWED everyones release cycles for years with the 10nm process and as an added bonus AMD showed up with a win with the zen architecture. PC manufacturers wanted those revenue streams opened up and AMD provided the vehicle to do so. Apple even allegedly looked at AMD chips at one point and likely they were on the fence, They could go with AMD and totally straight up screw intel but then be at the mercy of AMD, a potentially less stable entity than Intel or take their toys and go build our own system. The chose the latter, especially since they were doing it for years already with the iPad / iPhone. Most people don't need more computing power than what is in their iPhone. and that is why all lower end devices got the M1 early on. that was the "will this work" test in year one. now the M1x / M2 is the lets see what we can make this really do. The real prize is the Mac Pro. If they can make a Mac Pro that can rival the high end intel Xeon.... then Intel should be scared. not because apple will come for their market share, but because they will prove it is possible to beat them at their own game. and in the era of security vulnerabilities a plenty in the hardware CPU side, diversity of hardware may ultimately be king.

 

[mi7chy]

AMD is currently king for performance and efficiency.

Intel will become king when they outsource to TSMC since Xe iGPU and Quick Sync video encoding/decoding are better than AMD.

M1 is good enough for consumers that mostly surf Facebook and don't care about losing x64 compatibility.

 

[Ethosik]

AMD is currently king for performance and efficiency.

Intel will become king when they outsource to TSMC since Xe iGPU and Quick Sync video encoding/decoding are better than AMD.

M1 is good enough for consumers that mostly surf Facebook and don't care about losing x64 compatibility.

They are still not king for compatibility. Just a couple of years ago, I knew a couple of people who had Ryzen systems that experienced those USB issues. This is why I still prefer Intel, even if I only lose out on ~5 FPS in my games. Or if my export in After Effects takes 1 minute longer.

 

[asdfjkl;]

This is just so ... childish. It's also really bad marketing. It's the internet for christ's sake. They expected only switchers to respond? Come on! Whoever came up with this idea should be fired. Immediately.

 

[jz0309]

AMD is currently king for performance and efficiency.

Intel will become king when they outsource to TSMC since Xe iGPU and Quick Sync video encoding/decoding are better than AMD.

M1 is good enough for consumers that mostly surf Facebook and don't care about losing x64 compatibility.

actually my M1 is more than good enough without using Facebook ...

and Intel will NOT outsource their x86 to TSMC, you nee to learn up on their roadmap al little

 

[Strider64]

Apple gave Intel all the chances in the world to make the next processor for their next generation of computers a couple of years ago, but they wanted the processor tor run cooler, efficient and be fast. Intel balked at it saying it was impractical as it would "cost" too much, so Apple said the heck with Intel and as they say the rest is history. To me it was Intel thinking they're too big and probably thought Apple was bluffing at the time. In my opinion this is what happens when a company gets complacent with how their business is run. Now Intel is acting like the child who had his/her lunch money taken away at school. 🤣

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

Perhaps the future will be writing on screen using your finger or a pencil, more like we’re writing on a pad of paper, but I doubt that can be made to be as fast and efficient as typing is.

Keyboards will be around for at least another decade. We've already ditched teaching cursive in schools and adults barely write anything at all.

Longer term, we'll be using Neuralink for input/output.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

actually my M1 is more than good enough without using Facebook ...

and Intel will NOT outsource their x86 to TSMC, you nee to learn up on their roadmap al little

Rumor has it that Intel will outsource its dedicated GPU production, aka Xe, which I believe was what OP was referring to.

 

[jz0309]

Rumor has it that Intel will outsource its dedicated GPU production, aka Xe, which I believe was what OP was referring to.

That actually is not a rumor and confirmed even by Intel, but I read the post going beyond the GPU and that is not going to happen

 

[Analog Kid]

It's funny to see Intel going after Apple so hard considering how low the percentage of Mac users is. Just makes them look very desperate. Maybe they should really focus on chip development to keep the other computer makers like Microsoft from jumping onto the ARM/AMD bandwagon.

I think it says a lot about the internal state at Intel. I don’t think they’d react this way if they didn’t believe the criticism they’re receiving. If they really had a competitive processor in the pipe, then their marketing message would be “just wait”. Instead it’s “yeah?! Well… well… well... What about touchscreens? Yeah, what about that, huh?”

 

[Abazigal]

M1 is good enough for consumers that mostly surf Facebook and don't care about losing x64 compatibility.

I can’t say I have missed it. Own both a 2017 5k iMac (with the fusion drive swapped out for a SSD) and an M1 MBA and the MBA honestly just feels speedier for normal everyday tasks.

I can’t say I am ready to replace my iMac yet (just paid for a pretty costly logic board replacement earlier this year) but when I eventually do, good to know (from next week) that the next generation of iMac Pro is available.

 

[jmgregory1]

Keyboards will be around for at least another decade. We've already ditched teaching cursive in schools and adults barely write anything at all.

Longer term, we'll be using Neuralink for input/output.

I have concerns about what work is actually going to get done with current and future generations. Everyone will need to do input using their iPhones because that’s the only keyboard they’re used to. And you’re 100% correct, people aren’t hand writing anything any more. All I can picture are computer inputs on screen like what McDonalds uses for their registers. The dumbing down of humanity…

 

[visualseed]

Intel has an idiot in the marketing department.

1. Apple is still a customer. Although I suspect not so much after Monday.
2. intel outsells Apple. it is marketing 101 to never mention your secondary competition.
3. People don’t choose Mac or PC based on the CPU.

Intel has to do something stave off the arm-curious while they still have some aspects of competitiveness as they work on their new strategy. The story will never really be about losing customers to Apple. The narrative will be why is Intel so old and crusty? And when will Intel have an arm strategy or when will X86 chips perform like arm? The performance question is probably not what is really import, but the power efficiency is. Because that is what is holding them back. It’s why the new Surface Pro looks like a cash register instead of something closer to a tablet. These ads are just to buy time so the Intel name will still mean something whenever they get their act together.

 

[jasoncarle]

I guess I have a PC, but it has an AMD chip and runs Linux... That's my computer that does the work. I browse and stuff on the Mac and I like it for that, the M1 mini is quiet, efficient, and has a polished OS/UI that I enjoy using.

 

[visualseed]

This is leftover from the "Wintel" marriage in hell. In order for Intel to promote itself it by default has to promote windows. Linux has no consumer footprint to speak of and judging by the sound of it one day linux will be an option on the ARM Mac.. (not a good one necessarily... but an option). Intel is by default "Windows"... and it is their own fault. The disaster with the 10nm node is what caused apple to make their own chips, or it was at least one of the final nails in the coffin. PC manufacturers want revenue and revenue is tied directly to release cycles. Intel SCREWED everyones release cycles for years with the 10nm process and as an added bonus AMD showed up with a win with the zen architecture. PC manufacturers wanted those revenue streams opened up and AMD provided the vehicle to do so. Apple even allegedly looked at AMD chips at one point and likely they were on the fence, They could go with AMD and totally straight up screw intel but then be at the mercy of AMD, a potentially less stable entity than Intel or take their toys and go build our own system. The chose the latter, especially since they were doing it for years already with the iPad / iPhone. Most people don't need more computing power than what is in their iPhone. and that is why all lower end devices got the M1 early on. that was the "will this work" test in year one. now the M1x / M2 is the lets see what we can make this really do. The real prize is the Mac Pro. If they can make a Mac Pro that can rival the high end intel Xeon.... then Intel should be scared. not because apple will come for their market share, but because they will prove it is possible to beat them at their own game. and in the era of security vulnerabilities a plenty in the hardware CPU side, diversity of hardware may ultimately be king.

Linux ate Microsoft’s lunch in the datacenter and in embedded computing and ARM is quickly gaining on Intel in the datacenter as well. (Intel never really had the embedded market) These are not insignificant sales. My business probably has 15+ servers for every one employee desktop or laptop and that is not counting the hundreds of virtual instances (many on ARM) where we host our public facing services. I doubt Intel is worried about the Mac, but is worried that the Mac will probably cause a wider potential market of customers to consider ARM as a viable alternative where they would not have done so previously.

 

[MowgliWolf]

Deary me… been wondering what they’d come up with now Elon Musk has gone quiet again lol
Makes me wish I still had a Twitter, break out the pop corn and chronicle the loss of 15 years of music production and DJing when windows updates itself to Win10 while I was in the shower (auto update was off)… Microsoft’s response “well it is free software” #goPC my ass…

 

[MowgliWolf]

No one in the history of the world (with full sanity) has gone from Mac to PC, unless forced.

I hear that, got a PC in 2006 (Quad core) for uni, later got my bros old (2008) MBP after he upgraded - it lasted about 2 years with me. Got a 2015 mbp and sold the PC. Doubt I’ll look back again

 

[Black Magic]

Even tho i'm a huge Apple fanboy (11 Pro max, AW5, m1 iPad pro, apple tv etc.)

I have used Mac's in the past, but for me Windows is way to go. I use Windows at work + i'm super familiar with it. Also i plan to upgrade to ADL/ZEN3D for gaming purposes.

In my use case Mac is not for me, but who gives a ****? It's pathetic that Intel has to those Mac Vs. Intel *****.

Some like MacOS some Windows (for example pc-gaming will likely not move from windows any time soon). Intel should just focus on Alder Lake on Win11 (which looks fairly competitive vs. AMD in early leaks) and grow up.

But if i didn't own a iPad i would go with Mac laptop 100%. For desktop use Win10/11 is way to go.

Surprised you are even gaming on a PC? I'd just buy a PS5 or Xbox and call it a day. No need to buy video cards every 3 years to increase your frame rate by 3fps. Always chasing newer hardware for marginal gains. With a gaming console, you don't have to worry about new drivers messing up your device, you just play the games. Lastly, games are built for console first and ported to PC most of the time.

 

[Rafterman]

It’s game over for you Intel. Wait until MacBook Pro is unleashed. You have been left behind in the dust.

Intel you just sound desperate now. Just stop and stop making yourself look like a fool. Talk is cheap

Intel on this upcoming Monday!

Intel (and Windows) runs on 90 percent of the world's computers. Mx is a promising chip, but it is a blip for now. Intel is not quaking in it's boots over Mx.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

So you’re certain that it’s the M1X MacBook Pros next week? Imagine if it wasn’t!

If Apple doesn't announce some incredible new gizmos Monday, they will likely lose a big chunk of people who have been waiting for 'the new hotness'. I think Apple has burned too many people over the past few years with some of their new products to bet that they really have anything that could be 'that good'.

The Mac Pro for instance. Over priced, over designed, over hyped, and 'all show, not much go'. The M1 iMac reportedly hasn't been the barn burner Apple was hoping for. The Apple Silicone IPP has been a minor stumble. The iPad Mini has been rather of a disappointment for many people (I have now been actually thinking of returning/selling mine).

Maybe I'm just not that connected to the zeitgeist as I thought I once was, but Apple seems to be burning and burning out.

Monday will tell all, and the coming weeks and month later will show if Apple still has 'it' enough to sell their way out of the current malaise. Or maybe I'm just not seeing their recent product announcements as clearly. *shrug*

 

[persuasiveghost]

Ok, maybe I'm old school or something, but I hope other agree with me here. I do not believe that touchscreens on laptops or their detachable tablet modes are "innovations". Much like the majority of Windows laptops and desktops, they come off as super gimmicky, ugly af and unnecessary for me.

Superficially, the reason why I switched to Apple almost 10 years ago was the clean aesthetics and reliability (over multiple Dells that failed me). Over time it became much more than that, but the aesthetic/reliability was, and still is, the fundamental qualities that continue my loyalty.

 

[555gallardo]

Well, I have to work with a PC instead of Mac for game development, and as for the CPU, I use AMD due to better game-related optimizations.

 

[555gallardo]

Intel is happy to use the block button, so be aware. Not that I cared, but YMMV.
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After missing the iPhone, video game consoles, smart vehicles (Nvidia) and Apple, they still have the courage to choose who they want to sell stuff to?

 

[Analog Kid]

Intel (and Windows) runs on 90 percent of the world's computers. Mx is a promising chip, but it is a blip for now. Intel is not quaking in it's boots over Mx.

Not over the M-series, but over what it represents. Apple won’t sell their processors to anyone else, and Apple isn’t going to supplant the entire PC industry, but they are the existence proof. Apple has made it clear that it’s possible to outperform x86 and now every silicon vendor and a dozen startups are going to be gunning for a piece of that PC marketshare, and Intel has an albatross around their neck.