You may be mixing things up a little.
Mbp16 uses a 45W class CPU, that will be the 4000H not the 4000U, which runs on 15W
In the mbp13, the 4000U would be a huge improvement over the current Intel offerings.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Intel Unveils 10th-Generation 'Comet Lake' Chips With Speeds Over 5GHz
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
You may be mixing things up a little.
Mbp16 uses a 45W class CPU, that will be the 4000H not the 4000U, which runs on 15W
In the mbp13, the 4000U would be a huge improvement over the current Intel offerings.
U was shown to be almost twice as fast in multithreaded as Ice Lake.
And, I saw that products will be released as early as February. It does look interesting, but I’ve got to consume more of the data from the dueling keynotes.
If you only want to play desktop games TODAY buy Intel.And, I saw that products will be released as early as February. It does look interesting, but I’ve got to consume more of the data from the dueling keynotes.
My guess is that the performance/power delta between Intel and AMD won’t be enough to entice any current Intel vendor. They’ll offer AMD versions for those that care, but still sell mostly Intel systems. Nothing really for Apple to switch for.
You must feel silly now after AMDs event
Neither does any Intel mobile CPU.
It hasn't even reached the desktop yet.
Also, AVX-512 is a double edged sword. To run optimized code, the CPU needs to slow down in most cases. Optimized code is very rare so far.
So I don't know how this makes any difference here.
I wouldn't say so, considering AMDs using cherrypicked benchmarks. We'll have to find out the real performance when it comes out.
Ice Lake has a good chunk of AVX-512 (but don't expect any performance benefit against Ryzen 4000U).
HEDT already got some AVX-512 in 2017.
If you have some AVX-512, you can program for it.
I see you didn't read and understand what I wrote AT ALL. smh.
This is what I wrote:
"AMD released new mobile CPUs today, which extend their desktop and server dominance over Intel into the mobile space. "
Yes, AMD doesn't have dominance in the mobile market YET.
ALSO:
[Intel's] "10nm process [..] (which could compete with TSMC's 7nm "
So how exactly am I one of those who are falling for the nm marketing (which I am well aware of)?
Your comment is slightly confusing "AMD released new mobile CPUs today, which extend their desktop and server dominance over Intel into the mobile space.". If AMD released a new mobile CPU, it wouldn't extend their dominance in the desktop and server market, therefore, you must have meant the mobile space. In turn, my original comment comes back into question. Sorry if that's not what you meant.
Lastly "The greatest of the latest while Intel is still stuck on its SIX year old 14nm process and struggling to get their 10nm process running (which could compete with TSMC's 7nm, but they will be at 5nm soon...)" you seemed to be focusing on the nanometer technology, rather than physical performance, moreover, you sound rather surprised, didn't you know Comet-Lake H-Series was going to be still on 14nm? Again, sorry if I've misread the statement, there's been too many on here today that seem to only buy a CPU based on the nanometer technology.
HEDT is a workstation CPU, no one was talking about that.
But you are right, AVX-512 extensions are just now available for the super rare 10nm 9-15W mobile CPUs with maximum 4 core and 1.3Ghz base clock....
If you left your Intel-centered frame of mind behind, you'd realize how silly it sounds to mention those CPUs to support your idea that AVX-512 were somehow relevant here. No one in their right mind would want to run optimized code on those super low end CPUs. They'd simply buy a much faster CPU.
Actually, no one really knows why Intel decided to activate their high end extensions just for these few low end mobile CPUs and leave them turned off for all their other far more powerful offerings.
The DT in HEDT means DESKTOP.
You would buy such a laptop just to program AVX-512.
I imagine the Ice Lake architecture was also intended for desktops.
Last edited:
Extend their dominance? AMD doesn't have dominance in the laptop market. Yet another person who is focused on the nanometer marketing term. I shan't repeat what I, nor a few others put in the comments section. Apple hasn't considered AMD in the mobile market because they aren't good in comparison, Intel has a solid lead in the mobile market. It's highly expected that Intel will have them ready for Q2/Q3, since it's 14nm and nanometer is solid.
I mean look at these for an example.
AMD vs. Intel in the 15-Inch Surface Laptop 3: Both Models Benchmarked
Intel and AMD fight on the Surface battlefield.www.tomshardware.com
We benchmark AMD’s mobile Ryzen 7 vs. Intel’s mobile Core i7: Which is the best laptop processor?
We benchmark two Microsoft Surface Laptop 3s, one with AMD's latest mobile Ryzen 7, the other with Intel's Core i7 Ice Lake. Which comes out on top?www.pcworld.com
Apple should keep Intel CPUs and go NVIDIA GPUs but sadly that won't happen. Either way, I'm sure Apple will go ARM, which judging by how Apple designs components, will be better than both AMD and Intel.
[automerge]1578355684[/automerge]
I assume you haven't seen the performance on Icelake?
A lot has changed in the past 6 months. Your confusion is justified.
Well, the process is important insofar that 14nm is definitely a dead horse. "Previewing" products that are supposed to be their best at the time they are released with this old technology is nothing but surrender. Yeah, it's remarkable what Intel's engieneers managed to achieve with their tweaks, but the story ends here. Intel has been trying and promising to get their 10nm process up and running for YEARS now. They had a comfortable lead in process technology, which is officially squandered now.
At the same time the competition has caught up (yeah, also with a bit of nm voodoo), but if you look at the results (maximum performance and especially performance per watts) you will have to acknowledge that TSMC's 7nm is very much the best process available right now. It can handle various die sizes and architectures (CPU + GPU) super reliably with a high yield. If TSMC manages to make the difficult transition to EUV lithography just as well, Intel is pretty much ****ed, since they'd be behind not just on the architecture but also on the process. We'll see what they'll be able to do.
Yeah, so Intel at least is still conservative with their claims. I wonder how long that will last
Don't waste you time.
People here are fixated on smallest feature size and don't understand that density and power efficiency matter.
10nm Intel is like 7nm TSMC.Sure. It's small. Barely can see them, so who knows?
We both know that HEDT is just a marketing term. They are workstation CPUs with bit of stripped down I/O.
So you are proposing that someone who needs to write highly optimized code that's commonly used on high end workstations and supercomputers would choose a low-end laptop as their machine. In a day and age where you'd simply run your code remotely. I just leave it there.
And we are diverging here. It doesn't matter what Ice Lake was intended for. So far there are no AVX-512 desktop and nearly no mobile CPUs around. The extensions have thus so far no relevance whatsoever outside the areas I mentioned, and Ice Lake is surely not gonna change that...