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So basically I'm going to buy the current powerbook (the 17") for cheap, because my guess is all the current pb's will drop in price pretty hard. I would get the 15"...but...
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Intel Yonah Processor Launch on January 6th?
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So basically I'm going to buy the current powerbook (the 17") for cheap, because my guess is all the current pb's will drop in price pretty hard. I would get the 15"...but...
AidenShaw
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Ummm, I'm typing this from a Dothan laptop... Do you mean Conroe or perhaps Merom?greenstork said:
Adobe has been publicly saying that the Intel port is a lot more work than "The Turtleneck" has been claiming, and they won't be releasing fat-binary versions of CS until the next cross-platform CS update.greenstork said:
Do you have proof that what Chizen's been saying is wrong?
AidenShaw said:
I did mean Conroe, oops 🙄
And I don't have proof but I know that Apple isn't stupid enough to release a pro machine without the favorite pro apps ready to go and up to speed.
Man have I been busy
AidenShaw still posts in these rags? Man have I been out of it. 🙂
I seem to remember some good arguments with Aiden a long time ago, I'll have to search the archives some time.
Here's my take.
As I argued from WWDC this year, I fully expect the Mini to be among the first machines to go x86 for various (many) reasons.
I'm still not sure about Powerbooks. Initially I had argued vigorously that they would not because Apple would do their 'test run' on non-Pro models.
This brings the ibook into question but what would justify the move better than a 1.8GHz P-M iBook embarrasing a 1.67GHz PowerBook in pretty much any benchmark you could devise (not that a 1.6 GHz PM wouldn't do the same).
As for Adobe, I'd be shocked if they have a fat binary any time soon. Far as I know, CS2 is still full of Carbon code because Adobe (and Microsoft) never bothered to re-write all their big apps. It was too much work when you could simply release another minor revision of the same 10 year old product. Strictly speaking, I think my favorite version of Photoshop was v.4.
I have heard that they are working altivec emulation into Rosetta so I do expect that we'll see pretty robust emulation in 10.4.4. The problem earlier was simply that Altivec was more comprehensive but you can always work around the lack of a hardware-level instruction with an algorithm. And of course, a dual core Yonah WOULD likely run emulated PPC code faster than a G4. Don't get me wrong, I love the 17" powerbook I'm typing on but this CPU is 1-2 years past pasture. Computationally speaking, this thing is strung together with bailing wire and duct tape.
As for ship dates...
Apple re-invented the wheel with the G5. I would be absolutely shocked if the first x86 Macs (and probably all others as well) weren't much more than Intel reference designs. Apple will save a bundle on R&D. They will have product out as fast as any other large vendor. Hopefully they'll pass cost savings on to the faithful. Intel has supposedly been in production of Yonah for a bit already. They've already given samples out to web sites to review. I suspect that they'll have the chip in volume by January 6th. I expect Apple will have product available at or very near January 9th.
For those citing the G5 roll out, I hope you recall that IBM appeared to be the bottleneck there. The slower cpu G5s were rolling in quantity long before the dual 2.0. That tells me the system was in production at Apple's end and this was just a volume issue with IBM.
ffakr.
AidenShaw still posts in these rags? Man have I been out of it. 🙂
I seem to remember some good arguments with Aiden a long time ago, I'll have to search the archives some time.
Here's my take.
As I argued from WWDC this year, I fully expect the Mini to be among the first machines to go x86 for various (many) reasons.
I'm still not sure about Powerbooks. Initially I had argued vigorously that they would not because Apple would do their 'test run' on non-Pro models.
This brings the ibook into question but what would justify the move better than a 1.8GHz P-M iBook embarrasing a 1.67GHz PowerBook in pretty much any benchmark you could devise (not that a 1.6 GHz PM wouldn't do the same).
As for Adobe, I'd be shocked if they have a fat binary any time soon. Far as I know, CS2 is still full of Carbon code because Adobe (and Microsoft) never bothered to re-write all their big apps. It was too much work when you could simply release another minor revision of the same 10 year old product. Strictly speaking, I think my favorite version of Photoshop was v.4.
I have heard that they are working altivec emulation into Rosetta so I do expect that we'll see pretty robust emulation in 10.4.4. The problem earlier was simply that Altivec was more comprehensive but you can always work around the lack of a hardware-level instruction with an algorithm. And of course, a dual core Yonah WOULD likely run emulated PPC code faster than a G4. Don't get me wrong, I love the 17" powerbook I'm typing on but this CPU is 1-2 years past pasture. Computationally speaking, this thing is strung together with bailing wire and duct tape.
As for ship dates...
Apple re-invented the wheel with the G5. I would be absolutely shocked if the first x86 Macs (and probably all others as well) weren't much more than Intel reference designs. Apple will save a bundle on R&D. They will have product out as fast as any other large vendor. Hopefully they'll pass cost savings on to the faithful. Intel has supposedly been in production of Yonah for a bit already. They've already given samples out to web sites to review. I suspect that they'll have the chip in volume by January 6th. I expect Apple will have product available at or very near January 9th.
For those citing the G5 roll out, I hope you recall that IBM appeared to be the bottleneck there. The slower cpu G5s were rolling in quantity long before the dual 2.0. That tells me the system was in production at Apple's end and this was just a volume issue with IBM.
ffakr.
prostuff1
macrumors 65816
This is good news and i would love to see them come out early.
My plan is to leave my iMac with gram when i move into an apartment/dorm for college. I will still make her pay me for it...i am not that generous then i will turn around and buy a mini (hopefully with intel and front row (2.0?)) then buy a nice big dell display and hook that sucker up to the mini. Hopefully i can also run some cable or satellite through it also. Would make a nice setup for a small dorm.
I hope this turns out to be true!!
My plan is to leave my iMac with gram when i move into an apartment/dorm for college. I will still make her pay me for it...i am not that generous then i will turn around and buy a mini (hopefully with intel and front row (2.0?)) then buy a nice big dell display and hook that sucker up to the mini. Hopefully i can also run some cable or satellite through it also. Would make a nice setup for a small dorm.
I hope this turns out to be true!!
nagromme
macrumors G5
At the same time, some analysts are still saying Yonah won't ship in quantity for months, and that Apple might be unable to get anything better than Dothan until 2007. 😱
I certainly hope something with Yonah is shown in Jan. Maybe not the model I want (PowerBook) and maybe not shipping right away, but if I can get something in my hands by March I'll be happy.
Everyone must pick the timing that works for them. But as a pro user, I have good reasons for moving soon on a rev A. SOME apps will be slower (a lot? too early to say)--for a time--while others are faster. I need a new computer soon and can accept that, because as a LONG-term (more than 12 months) purchase, it will give me something a G4 can't: the next generation platform.
I certainly hope something with Yonah is shown in Jan. Maybe not the model I want (PowerBook) and maybe not shipping right away, but if I can get something in my hands by March I'll be happy.
Everyone must pick the timing that works for them. But as a pro user, I have good reasons for moving soon on a rev A. SOME apps will be slower (a lot? too early to say)--for a time--while others are faster. I need a new computer soon and can accept that, because as a LONG-term (more than 12 months) purchase, it will give me something a G4 can't: the next generation platform.
snoboardguy21 said:
Adobe has said they won't be ported until 2007. They are already way into CS3 development. The Powermacs will be the last to go intel as Steve stated. I just took delivery of a new Quad. I want to totally avoid the intel switch until everything, apps, and hardware is revision 2.
I'm set for a good long time.😀
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
"one mre thing" becomes trite
OK, so this story says that Intel announces the dual-core Yonah on Friday, 6 January.
If history is any clue - that means that Dell, HP, Lenovo, Gateway, Lenovo, ... will be announcing dual-core Yonah laptops on 6 January as well - with immediate availability.
And Jobs will go onstage the following Tuesday and say "One more thing..."?
Or maybe Apple will release the new dual-core Powerbooks on Friday, and the following Tuesday Jobs will say "BTW, some of you are already typing on..."? I don't think "sometime in February" will fly if people in the audience already have their Windows Yonahs.
OK, so this story says that Intel announces the dual-core Yonah on Friday, 6 January.
If history is any clue - that means that Dell, HP, Lenovo, Gateway, Lenovo, ... will be announcing dual-core Yonah laptops on 6 January as well - with immediate availability.
And Jobs will go onstage the following Tuesday and say "One more thing..."?
Or maybe Apple will release the new dual-core Powerbooks on Friday, and the following Tuesday Jobs will say "BTW, some of you are already typing on..."? I don't think "sometime in February" will fly if people in the audience already have their Windows Yonahs.
NewbieNerd
macrumors 6502a
My fingers are crossed!!
Since MWSF is mainly a consumer-oriented event, it could be possible that upon announcement of the Intel Macs, Adobe could release PS Elements 3.0 (or even 4.0 😱 ) all ready to go. Consumer apps for consumer hardware... seems like a good match to me.
Since MWSF is mainly a consumer-oriented event, it could be possible that upon announcement of the Intel Macs, Adobe could release PS Elements 3.0 (or even 4.0 😱 ) all ready to go. Consumer apps for consumer hardware... seems like a good match to me.
prostuff1
macrumors 65816
NewbieNerd said:
Nope...well if you count graduation money but that really was not all that much. I payed for my computers on my own, and i am very proud of it. Worked two summers at a golf course to pay for my computers, and car, and anything else i wanted. Mom and dad took care of the mom and dad stuff but anything i wanted i bought.
NewbieNerd
macrumors 6502a
treblah
macrumors 65816
ffakr said:
I fully agree with you on Apple using pretty basic Intel reference designs.
I think this can be determined pretty easily by the lack of effort needed to run 'OSx86' on basically any Intel motherboard. (Really any x86 board for that matter)
I also think that all the 'I'm not touching a MacIntel with a ten foot pole until Rev. C' people should reconsider if Apple is using a Intel motherboard. I don't think anyone will argue Intel engineers trounce Apple engineers when it come to motherboards. 😉
DaftUnion
macrumors 6502a
Can't wait to see what Steve does with the Intel macs...my friend keeps telling me repeatedly that they ARE going to release the new PowerBooks...so I'm guessing those are going to debut (I do trust him) and he keeps telling me when I ask him how he knows this that "he'd tell me, but he'd have to kill me" but I'm almost 100% positive about the PowerBooks...and possibly more product lines will be released too....
NewbieNerd
macrumors 6502a
DaftUnion said:
You better be careful spreading gossip like that around here and exciting already impatient nerds. When we don't see Intel Powerbooks until 2007, you and your friend will be on many of our hit lists... 😉
What's the point of releasing Intel machines this early?
As far as I can tell, the dev release of Tiger only has iTunes as a universal binary. Everything else is emulated through Rosetta! Please correct me if I'm wrong!
As far as I can tell, the dev release of Tiger only has iTunes as a universal binary. Everything else is emulated through Rosetta! Please correct me if I'm wrong!
applekid said:
I think you're wrong. I thought iTunes was one of the last apps that came with Tiger to be turned into a universal binary. The reason it took longer than most other Tiger apps was that it is carbon.
NewbieNerd said:
Nah. Intel would hate winning over a whole new customer base from competitors like IBM and Motorola and having them switch to their own architecture. I'm sure there's no hurry on Intels part to win over the "hearts and minds" of the Mac community.
They'll probably just put it on the back burner or something. I can see the Intel execs now: "More money? Meh... it can wait".
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When Apple makes the switch to Intel chips, I hope they use the sockets and not solder the CPU directly onto the PCB. I wanna be able to upgrade CPUs just like with peecees.
sw1tcher
macrumors 604
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