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maya said:
With Apples previous performance with revs, I say rev C. Then again its hard to predict since we do not know the update cycle, as it could be frequent in the future than what it used to be in the past with PPC. :)

So basically I'm going to buy the current powerbook (the 17") for cheap, because my guess is all the current pb's will drop in price pretty hard. I would get the 15"...but...
 
greenstork said:
and since the Yonah really is a portable chip, there won't be an Intel desktop until at least mid to late 2006 when Dothan is released.
Ummm, I'm typing this from a Dothan laptop... Do you mean Conroe or perhaps Merom?

greenstork said:
While it would be nice, it really isn't critical for Adobe to have a universal binary version of CS ready for Mac minis and iBooks. That said, I'm sure Adobe is diligently working on it. You can bet they've had access to the most recent builds and prototype hardware before any other outside vendor.
Adobe has been publicly saying that the Intel port is a lot more work than "The Turtleneck" has been claiming, and they won't be releasing fat-binary versions of CS until the next cross-platform CS update.

Do you have proof that what Chizen's been saying is wrong?
 
AidenShaw said:
Ummm, I'm typing this from a Dothan laptop... Do you mean Conroe or perhaps Merom?

I did mean Conroe, oops :rolleyes:

And I don't have proof but I know that Apple isn't stupid enough to release a pro machine without the favorite pro apps ready to go and up to speed.
 
epepper9 said:
He's just making up statistics to prove a point. 46% of people do that. :D
You're 93.14159265358979323846% correct :D.

epepper9 said:
This thread is great news. I think apple will ship the macs close to straight away. "Shipping in two weeks" perhaps? :cool:
"Two weeks" is pretty close to "February"...
 
Man have I been busy

AidenShaw still posts in these rags? Man have I been out of it. :)
I seem to remember some good arguments with Aiden a long time ago, I'll have to search the archives some time.

Here's my take.
As I argued from WWDC this year, I fully expect the Mini to be among the first machines to go x86 for various (many) reasons.
I'm still not sure about Powerbooks. Initially I had argued vigorously that they would not because Apple would do their 'test run' on non-Pro models.
This brings the ibook into question but what would justify the move better than a 1.8GHz P-M iBook embarrasing a 1.67GHz PowerBook in pretty much any benchmark you could devise (not that a 1.6 GHz PM wouldn't do the same).

As for Adobe, I'd be shocked if they have a fat binary any time soon. Far as I know, CS2 is still full of Carbon code because Adobe (and Microsoft) never bothered to re-write all their big apps. It was too much work when you could simply release another minor revision of the same 10 year old product. Strictly speaking, I think my favorite version of Photoshop was v.4.
I have heard that they are working altivec emulation into Rosetta so I do expect that we'll see pretty robust emulation in 10.4.4. The problem earlier was simply that Altivec was more comprehensive but you can always work around the lack of a hardware-level instruction with an algorithm. And of course, a dual core Yonah WOULD likely run emulated PPC code faster than a G4. Don't get me wrong, I love the 17" powerbook I'm typing on but this CPU is 1-2 years past pasture. Computationally speaking, this thing is strung together with bailing wire and duct tape.

As for ship dates...
Apple re-invented the wheel with the G5. I would be absolutely shocked if the first x86 Macs (and probably all others as well) weren't much more than Intel reference designs. Apple will save a bundle on R&D. They will have product out as fast as any other large vendor. Hopefully they'll pass cost savings on to the faithful. Intel has supposedly been in production of Yonah for a bit already. They've already given samples out to web sites to review. I suspect that they'll have the chip in volume by January 6th. I expect Apple will have product available at or very near January 9th.
For those citing the G5 roll out, I hope you recall that IBM appeared to be the bottleneck there. The slower cpu G5s were rolling in quantity long before the dual 2.0. That tells me the system was in production at Apple's end and this was just a volume issue with IBM.

ffakr.
 
This is good news and i would love to see them come out early.

My plan is to leave my iMac with gram when i move into an apartment/dorm for college. I will still make her pay me for it...i am not that generous then i will turn around and buy a mini (hopefully with intel and front row (2.0?)) then buy a nice big dell display and hook that sucker up to the mini. Hopefully i can also run some cable or satellite through it also. Would make a nice setup for a small dorm.

I hope this turns out to be true!!
 
At the same time, some analysts are still saying Yonah won't ship in quantity for months, and that Apple might be unable to get anything better than Dothan until 2007. :eek:

I certainly hope something with Yonah is shown in Jan. Maybe not the model I want (PowerBook) and maybe not shipping right away, but if I can get something in my hands by March I'll be happy.

Everyone must pick the timing that works for them. But as a pro user, I have good reasons for moving soon on a rev A. SOME apps will be slower (a lot? too early to say)--for a time--while others are faster. I need a new computer soon and can accept that, because as a LONG-term (more than 12 months) purchase, it will give me something a G4 can't: the next generation platform.
 
snoboardguy21 said:
Has anyone thought that maybe, just maybe, Adobe and some/all of the other key players in the real value of a new Intel mac already have their programs ported and optimized? I'm sure Adobe has their hands on a few Dev kits. Just because no one's announced any Universal Binary programs doesn't mean they aren't ready. Who's ever though of releasing software when there's no hardware to run it on? Adobe may have a copy of Creative Suite 2.5 in Universal Binary sitting on the shelf ready to be run on intel as we speak. What good would it do them to announce it? Sure, it might make a lot of people say, "Hey, if Adobe's ready, I'll start coming up with the bones to buy one of these intel macs." Either way no one will buy UB software w/o a machine to run it on (unless of course its a new version that's been released in UB, but I don't see a new creative suite w/in the month or even w/in the next six).

Adobe has said they won't be ported until 2007. They are already way into CS3 development. The Powermacs will be the last to go intel as Steve stated. I just took delivery of a new Quad. I want to totally avoid the intel switch until everything, apps, and hardware is revision 2.
I'm set for a good long time.:D
 
"one mre thing" becomes trite

OK, so this story says that Intel announces the dual-core Yonah on Friday, 6 January.

If history is any clue - that means that Dell, HP, Lenovo, Gateway, Lenovo, ... will be announcing dual-core Yonah laptops on 6 January as well - with immediate availability.

And Jobs will go onstage the following Tuesday and say "One more thing..."?

Or maybe Apple will release the new dual-core Powerbooks on Friday, and the following Tuesday Jobs will say "BTW, some of you are already typing on..."? I don't think "sometime in February" will fly if people in the audience already have their Windows Yonahs.
 
prostuff1 said:
This is good news and i would love to see them come out early.

My plan is to leave my iMac with gram when i move into an apartment/dorm for college. I will still make her pay me for it...i am not that generous then i will turn around and buy a mini (hopefully with intel and front row (2.0?)) then buy a nice big dell display and hook that sucker up to the mini. Hopefully i can also run some cable or satellite through it also. Would make a nice setup for a small dorm.

I hope this turns out to be true!!

Did your grandma buy that iMac for you? :eek:
 
My fingers are crossed!!

Since MWSF is mainly a consumer-oriented event, it could be possible that upon announcement of the Intel Macs, Adobe could release PS Elements 3.0 (or even 4.0 :eek: ) all ready to go. Consumer apps for consumer hardware... seems like a good match to me.
 
NewbieNerd said:
Did your grandma buy that iMac for you? :eek:

Nope...well if you count graduation money but that really was not all that much. I payed for my computers on my own, and i am very proud of it. Worked two summers at a golf course to pay for my computers, and car, and anything else i wanted. Mom and dad took care of the mom and dad stuff but anything i wanted i bought.
 
prostuff1 said:
Nope...well if you count graduation money but that really was not all that much. I payed for my computers on my own, and i am very proud of it. Worked two summers at a golf course to pay for my computers, and car, and anything else i wanted. Mom and dad took care of the mom and dad stuff but anything i wanted i bought.

Alright, I'll let you off the hook. :) Glad you're a responsible like that.
 
ffakr said:
As for ship dates...
Apple re-invented the wheel with the G5. I would be absolutely shocked if the first x86 Macs (and probably all others as well) weren't much more than Intel reference designs. Apple will save a bundle on R&D. They will have product out as fast as any other large vendor. Hopefully they'll pass cost savings on to the faithful. Intel has supposedly been in production of Yonah for a bit already. They've already given samples out to web sites to review. I suspect that they'll have the chip in volume by January 6th. I expect Apple will have product available at or very near January 9th.
For those citing the G5 roll out, I hope you recall that IBM appeared to be the bottleneck there. The slower cpu G5s were rolling in quantity long before the dual 2.0. That tells me the system was in production at Apple's end and this was just a volume issue with IBM.

I fully agree with you on Apple using pretty basic Intel reference designs.
I think this can be determined pretty easily by the lack of effort needed to run 'OSx86' on basically any Intel motherboard. (Really any x86 board for that matter)

I also think that all the 'I'm not touching a MacIntel with a ten foot pole until Rev. C' people should reconsider if Apple is using a Intel motherboard. I don't think anyone will argue Intel engineers trounce Apple engineers when it come to motherboards. ;)
 
treblah said:
I fully agree with you on Apple using pretty basic Intel reference designs.
I think this can be determined pretty easily by the lack of effort needed to run 'OSx86' on basically any Intel motherboard. (Really any x86 board for that matter)

I also think that all the 'I'm not touching a MacIntel with a ten foot pole until Rev. C' people should reconsider if Apple is using a Intel motherboard. I don't think anyone will argue Intel engineers trounce Apple engineers when it come to motherboards. ;)

I have absolute confident in Intel mainboards, unless of course they hire some engineers from companies like ABit :eek:
 
epepper9 said:
He's just making up statistics to prove a point. 46% of people do that. :D

This thread is great news. I think apple will ship the macs close to straight away. "Shipping in two weeks" perhaps? :cool:
And you're one of the 46%, because we know that figure is actually 44%.;)

I agree with the shipment times but I think it will probably be around 3 to 4 weeks.
 
Can't wait to see what Steve does with the Intel macs...my friend keeps telling me repeatedly that they ARE going to release the new PowerBooks...so I'm guessing those are going to debut (I do trust him) and he keeps telling me when I ask him how he knows this that "he'd tell me, but he'd have to kill me" but I'm almost 100% positive about the PowerBooks...and possibly more product lines will be released too....
 
DaftUnion said:
Can't wait to see what Steve does with the Intel macs...my friend keeps telling me repeatedly that they ARE going to release the new PowerBooks...so I'm guessing those are going to debut (I do trust him) and he keeps telling me when I ask him how he knows this that "he'd tell me, but he'd have to kill me" but I'm almost 100% positive about the PowerBooks...and possibly more product lines will be released too....

You better be careful spreading gossip like that around here and exciting already impatient nerds. When we don't see Intel Powerbooks until 2007, you and your friend will be on many of our hit lists... ;)
 
What's the point of releasing Intel machines this early?

As far as I can tell, the dev release of Tiger only has iTunes as a universal binary. Everything else is emulated through Rosetta! Please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
applekid said:
What's the point of releasing Intel machines this early?

As far as I can tell, the dev release of Tiger only has iTunes as a universal binary. Everything else is emulated through Rosetta! Please correct me if I'm wrong!

I think you're wrong. I thought iTunes was one of the last apps that came with Tiger to be turned into a universal binary. The reason it took longer than most other Tiger apps was that it is carbon.
 
applekid said:
What's the point of releasing Intel machines this early?

As far as I can tell, the dev release of Tiger only has iTunes as a universal binary. Everything else is emulated through Rosetta! Please correct me if I'm wrong!

You are wrong ;)
 
NewbieNerd said:
Is Intel as excited/interested in having us as we are about them? I mean, does Intel care that much what Apple has to say at MWSF?

Nah. Intel would hate winning over a whole new customer base from competitors like IBM and Motorola and having them switch to their own architecture. I'm sure there's no hurry on Intels part to win over the "hearts and minds" of the Mac community.

They'll probably just put it on the back burner or something. I can see the Intel execs now: "More money? Meh... it can wait".

:rolleyes:
 
When Apple makes the switch to Intel chips, I hope they use the sockets and not solder the CPU directly onto the PCB. I wanna be able to upgrade CPUs just like with peecees.
 
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