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New headline: Samsung to release the S6H in October to be first with a hydrogen based phone. Lee Kun-Lee is quoted in saying "our design team has been working on this technology since 10am and we expect to deliver well ahead of any other products that might offer this functionality". :D

No really... this sounds really cool... I hope it's practical and we see this someday soon. If it is, Apple should put some of their cash to work and just buy these guys.

BTW.... another off thought... given this gives out a little vapor... will it lead to the next "Watergate"? :p
 
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You put a phone with a lithium-ion battery in your pocket next to your manbits, which has a much higher risk of exploding than a hydrogen fuel cell. Perhaps you should stop doing that if a hydrogen fuel cell is already too risky for you.

The irrational fear of hydrogen is really amazing. Where does that come from? Do modern moms tell their kids scary stories about hydrogen instead of the boogeyman?
There's some amount of chemical energy in those fuel cells and there's some probability of failure. I think it's more reasonable to have irrational fear than irrational naivety with those things. I know that from a technical point of view a fuel cell failure that leads to an explosion is very improbable, but not impossible at all.
 
If they can figure out a way to actually recharge the fuel cell, and it is reliable enough this would be great to see added to devices so we can actually start seeing large increases in battery life.
Will void warranty?
 
How do I recharge, though? If it were as simple as plugging it into the wall as you do with today's rechargable batteries, I'd consider it.

But instead it sounds like you have to refuel these batteries to reuse them. Having to refuel on a weekly basis instead of recharge on a daily basis is a step backwards, not a step forwards, for everyday consumer electronics. The only place refueling on a weekly basis is better is if you're someplace where you won't have daily access to an outlet.

On a related note, I feel like the whole hissing and blowing steam out a vent sounds very steampunk. I'm sure there's some sort of hipster market for a steampunk iPhone.

You don't recharge the hydrogen cell. It's disposable. As for recharging the iPhone, I imagine you'd recharge it the same way you've always charged. To me, the hydrogen cell seems more akin to a Mophie Juice Pak than a replacement for current battery tech. Further down the line it may become a replacement. Right now it just seems like something to store in the back pack/briefcase/glove box for that just in can time with no wall power.
 
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You put a phone with a lithium-ion battery in your pocket next to your manbits, which has a much higher risk of exploding than a hydrogen fuel cell. Perhaps you should stop doing that if a hydrogen fuel cell is already too risky for you.

The irrational fear of hydrogen is really amazing. Where does that come from? Do modern moms tell their kids scary stories about hydrogen instead of the boogeyman?

Everyone remembers the movie of the Hindenburg exploding, and they think we haven't progressed beyond that, and that the engineers designing this stuff never saw the film...
 
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Apple needs to snap this company up now, along with the patent portfolio. At least this aquisition would have the possibility of producing something usefully unlike Beats.
 
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My chemistry knowledge is very basic, but I thought hydrogen was very dangerous if ignited?

I vividly remember my chemistry teacher igniting a balloon filled with hydrogen. BOOM!


It depends on how you control it. You could also put flour in a can with a candle, a funnel, and a tube with a squeeze ball on it, squeeze the ball in order to puff the flour into the air and watch the enormous fireball that it creates. Whereas take a match to a pile of flour and pretty much nothing happens.
 
I really blame incompetent science teachers for comments like this.

People drive around in vehicles with tanks full of much larger amounts of a potentially explosive liquid. These vehicles actually are driven by mixing that liquid with air and triggering mini-explosions. How many people get killed by gasoline explosions each day? And what if you drop a car? Does the gasoline explode? Huge mushroom cloud on the highway?

Am sorry I got carried away by the "funny meant" comments and added one myself.... Anyway, as far as I remember from science at school is that hydrogen is very explosive. Didn't a space shuttle vaporise because of the exploding hydrogen tank? Or is history apart from science also one of my weak points?

And - back on (your) topic - gasoline is explosive but way less explosive as hydrogen in general. Didn't the armed forces of certain countries (maybe yours?) develop a hydrogen bomb because it was more explosive than tnt and if so, why did they not consider to use gasoline instead?

Anyway, I will refrain myself from making funny meant comments in a funny meant discussion. From now on I will only add if I can lecture others. And no - I will not buy the first generation hydrogen powered iPhone. Just had my camera replaced (of the 6 Plus) and had my share of 1st gen again.

Have a nice day!
 
Don't plan on seeing it happen any time in the next several years. Most are still heavily invested in batteries including Apple. Hydrogen fuel cells in small electronics are still unproven and until they are you won't see big companies jumping to use them in devices they'll be creating by the hundreds of millions.
 
There's some amount of chemical energy in those fuel cells and there's some probability of failure. I think it's more reasonable to have irrational fear than irrational naivety with those things. I know that from a technical point of view a fuel cell failure that leads to an explosion is very improbable, but not impossible at all.

But, you know that hydrogen fuel tanks in cars are solid tanks made of magnesium don't you.

They can't/don't explode!
 
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