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Intelligent Energy's Hydrogen Fuel Cell Technology Can Now Fit Inside an iPhone

justperry said:
Bold: POWER ;)
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uid15 said:
Incredible how these people don't proof read "news" articles. Rarely do you see mistakes like this in REAL news sources, such as PAPERS.
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Did either of you think that maybe it wasn't a typo at all? The fuel cell cartridge is not just compressed hydrogen gas, the hydrogen is captured in a metal hydride powder. That is, the fuel is a hydrogen releasing powder.

I presume that reduces the combustibility of the cell. Can only burn as fast as the hydrogen is released.
 
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deviant said:
I'm sorry but I can't be the only one who immediately screamed ELECTRIC CARS, DUH. I can't believe they didn't put it in a Tesla and made a NY-LA trip. Come on, man! No problem with water (A/C already releases water in cars). What am I missing???
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You're missing a few things. Hydrogen fuel cell cars have been around for a long time. Although it's more efficient than gasoline, hydrogen has a few drawbacks that has kept it from mainstream adoption.
To get equivalent range of gas you need high pressure storage tanks on board the vehicle. There is little to no infrastructure for refilling tanks in vehicles. Hydrogen is very expensive to transport. Currently about 90-95% of hydrogen is generated through fossil fuels in a process call steam reforming. Steam reforming generates a crap ton of CO2.
 
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"hydrogen cartridges delivering up to a week's worth of battery life...which produces only small amounts of water vapor and heat as waste."

if this is really the case then the up-side far out weighs the down side, if any.
 
redheeler said:
Agreed. It seems like Apple should be moving more toward rechargeable and less toward disposable, like they are doing with the new wireless keyboard/Magic Mouse.
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All of their products are disposable. Non-removable batteries, ram, GPUs, etc...
 
Can the propellerheads stop wasting time on this technology and just hurry up and invent teleportation. Far more useful.
 
Analog Kid said:
Did either of you think that maybe it wasn't a typo at all? The fuel cell cartridge is not just compressed hydrogen gas, the hydrogen is captured in a metal hydride powder. That is, the fuel is a hydrogen releasing powder.

I presume that reduces the combustibility of the cell. Can only burn as fast as the hydrogen is released.
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So, to refill you poor powder through the headphone jack (used in this prototype)?
Don't think so, it's just plain hydrogen gas.

Edit: Oh wait, that was internal, the external case works differently.
 
Wow, it's embarrassing to read all the scientifically ignorant posts here.

the tiny fuel cell will release small amounts of water vapor.. key word "vapor" it's a gas that contains some h2O.. This doesn't mean your phone is going to be water damaged nor will it make your pants look like you fell into the commode.

The hydrogen is a small amount, and in hydride form. It will not produce any sort of explosion if dropped or whatever.

But the reward for most ignorant post goes to the person that compared it to a hydrogen bomb. There's no fusion going on, it won't be a micro star in your pocket.
 
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BarryLegg said:
Ah - those of you grizzling about the danger of having a hydrogen cell in your pocket have seen this, right?
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I think that's people's point. The danger is in energy/time. More energy released in less time is scary stuff. That video shows what happens when one day's charge is released violently. The fuel cell holds somewhere around 7 times that much energy. So the question is how is the release rate regulated, and can it fail as or more catastrophically than that lithium cell you just showed.

Saying LiIon cells are also dangerous isn't saying that there shouldn't also be concerns about fuel cell failures-- unless you can explain why fuel cells are less prone to failure, or fail less violently.
 
michelg1970 said:
And - back on (your) topic - gasoline is explosive but way less explosive as hydrogen in general. Didn't the armed forces of certain countries (maybe yours?) develop a hydrogen bomb because it was more explosive than tnt and if so, why did they not consider to use gasoline instead?
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The hydrogen bomb is a nuclear bomb. It uses shaped charges (of conventional explosives) to super compress the hydrogen and cause a fission reaction that releases massive amounts of energy. No amount of static, bending, stabbing, or even blending will cause hydrogen to go nuclear. Heat could cause such a reaction - at the temperatures of the sun (not typical in day to day use).
 
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The Telegraph reports the device it saw at the company's Loughborough, United Kingdom headquarters also had a modified headphone socket for refuelling hydrogen gas, although likely only because it was a prototype.

Intelligent Energy plans to sell a disposable cartridge that will attach to the bottom of a smartphone and provide enough hydrogen-releasing powder "for a week of normal use,"
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justperry said:
So, to refill you poor powder through the headphone jack (used in this prototype)?
Don't think so, it's just plain hydrogen gas.
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Reread the article. The prototype is fueling through the headphone port. The product will use a cartridge. The Upp also uses a cartridge. The Upp cartridge stores the hydrogen in a metal hydride powder.
 
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CmdrLaForge said:
Sounds very cool and I have immediately hopes for the watch..
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I'll imagine one of the advantages of this tech is instant recharge - done right, it should be no harder to recharge the device than refilling a butane lighter. Great for the phone, super for the watch, which you could now wear 24 hours a day. Sleep monitoring here we come!
 
michelg1970 said:
Am sorry I got carried away by the "funny meant" comments and added one myself.... Anyway, as far as I remember from science at school is that hydrogen is very explosive. Didn't a space shuttle vaporise because of the exploding hydrogen tank? Or is history apart from science also one of my weak points?

And - back on (your) topic - gasoline is explosive but way less explosive as hydrogen in general. Didn't the armed forces of certain countries (maybe yours?) develop a hydrogen bomb because it was more explosive than tnt and if so, why did they not consider to use gasoline instead?

Anyway, I will refrain myself from making funny meant comments in a funny meant discussion. From now on I will only add if I can lecture others. And no - I will not buy the first generation hydrogen powered iPhone. Just had my camera replaced (of the 6 Plus) and had my share of 1st gen again.

Have a nice day!
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Your hole is getting deeper, but you keep digging. First of all, the science, and numerous experiments have shown that hydrogen, while more flammable than gasoline would be, in fact safer in a properly designed car. See the soon to be released Toyota Mirai: http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html

Second, you might want to read up a little on the actual science behind nuclear weapons, including the hydrogen bomb. While the bomb does generate destruction far, far greater than TNT, it generates the energy needed for said destruction using nuclear fusion, and does not rely on the incendiary nature of hydrogen gas. The amount of hydrogen gas needed to create the destruction on the level of a hydrogen bomb would likely take a vessel about the size of Oklahoma.

And given the nature of the Challenger explosion and accident, and all of the things that had to go wrong in order for it to happen, the ignition of the hydrogen gas in the external fuel tank was almost incidental to accident.
 
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I've read about similar battery technology at one point. You supposedly go to a store to buy refills for these batteries which run something like $10-15 a pop.
 
Fuel Cell is the oil companies lie to make you believe that some renewable energy/non polluting technology is on the horizon.

This is of course a lie
1. Fuel cells are as costly and polluting as other energies when produced
2. They stock, use, then waste considerable amount of pure water
3. They also waste and diffuse way more heat than conventional battery
4. As such, they're unusable in most technologies unless you want to end-up with a steampunk iPhone exhausting vapor.
5. They're also way more dangerous: a regular battery explosion will injure you, a fuel cell battery explosion will blow your hand off

Meanwhile ISIS, the wars in Middle-East, Israel-Palestine and other such conflicts exist for the sole purpose of controlling gaz pipelines since gaz is turning out to be oil's main replacement for the 21th century, beside the many nuclear centrals being built.
 
My new case for my new Hydrogen powered iPhone.

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... I will finally be able to buy that self destruct app I always wanted :D.
 
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