Intel's Anti-Mac Ad Campaign Highlights M1 Shortcomings

[pshufd]

SOOOOoooo, gotta say here that a lot of the time, reaching up to tap a field for me is quicker than:
1. Moving the mouse to find where my cursor is
2. Moving it to where the field is
3. Clicking

In every case, in the time it takes me to orient myself with the indirect pointing method, I could have had the job done quicker by touch. I don’t need multitouch... I can do all that from a multitouch enabled trackpad. I just want that direct selection action

My desk has four high-resolution monitors: 3x4k and 1xQHD. It would be incredibly annoying to reach forward 2.5 feet to touch the screens if I needed it. I use mouse and keyboard and that's enough but I do have an Apple Trackpad which I could enable should I feel the need for one. It might be useful in your lap on a small screen but then again I just use my MacBook Pro touchpad and things are fine.

I'm a stickler for fingerprints too. I keep a Microfiber cloth under the monitors to clean off any little things on my displays.

 

[smorrissey]

yei!! to the starts and beyond!!

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Any time there’s something weird to do, some odd piece of hardware to connect to, some archaic data to recover from who knows what software on what OS, some unusual situation, the 2009 is the one that does it, bc that thing is a Swiss Army Knife that can do anything.

Any PC is capable of even more, though. There are SOME areas the Mac will never go, but Macs only need to sell 20 million a year to continue to be a market worth making hardware for. That means there are SOME areas the Mac doesn’t HAVE to go.

 

[ArPe]

There’s a bad batch of AMD CPUs coming out the fabs. Intel can shut up about ARM and make AMD ads now

AMD Ryzen 5000 'Zen 3' Desktop CPUs & X570 Motherboards Have High Failure Rates, Reports PowerGPU

DIY PC Builder, PowerGPU, has reported that they are facing very high failure rates with AMD's Ryzen 5000 Zen 3 Desktop CPUs & X570 boards.

wccftech.com

 

[pshufd]

Intel may be afraid that Apple will sell M1s, 2s, 3s to PC vendors and Microsoft. I doubt it would ever happen but imagine if it did.

 

[Fred Zed]

I used to like Intel in the 80386 days

 

[Unregistered 4U]

My desk has four high-resolution monitors: 3x4k and 1xQHD. It would be incredibly annoying to reach forward 2.5 feet to touch the screens if I needed it. I use mouse and keyboard and that's enough but I do have an Apple Trackpad which I could enable should I feel the need for one. It might be useful in your lap on a small screen but then again I just use my MacBook Pro touchpad and things are fine.

I'm a stickler for fingerprints too. I keep a Microfiber cloth under the monitors to clean off any little things on my displays.

For your use case, sure. But most computer purchases these days are mobile/laptops and the screen is almost always going to be just as far away as an attached mouse. A track bar would be closer, but still the action starts with “waggle the mouse”. AND hitting a URL bar with a touch will always be faster than using a mouse/trackpad... unless the mouse was in the URL bar to start with

Having a trackpad doesn’t mean you can’t have a mouse option. Having a mouse doesn’t mean you can’t have a keyboard option, and having a trackpad mouse and keyboard option doesn’t mean you can’t have a touch option. I’ve just discovered going between a Mac, a Windows machine and my iPad, that the ONLY use I have for touch that’s the same across all of them is quick selection of screen objects like text fields, objects, etc.

 

[Maximara]

Intel may be afraid that Apple will sell M1s, 2s, 3s to PC vendors and Microsoft. I doubt it would ever happen but imagine if it did.

I doubt that is what has Intel sweating is that Apple has shown that ARM is a viable alternative to X86.

 

[pasamio]

Oh, I’m sure in the future it will be that “Macs don’t fold backwards” or “Macs aren’t called Thinkpads”. There will always be comparisons weak enough to mention

They already have that with their "EVO" spec in part which requires a use of an Intel CPU. I do love their excessive focus on TB4 all of a sudden when for the longest time it's been the Mac pushing Thunderbolt in the consumer space. They've already come out to say that the M1 devices wouldn't meet their EVO spec, I think it'd be funny for Apple to lampshade it somehow and exceeding expectations with a larger device.

 

[Abazigal]

Oh, I’m sure in the future it will be that “Macs don’t fold backwards” or “Macs aren’t called Thinkpads”. There will always be comparisons weak enough to mention

The funny thing is that none of these features have anything to do with Intel chips. There are plenty of laptops that don't fold back, or sport touchscreens, or lack the capabilities to run some of the more demanding PC games either.

Seems like a very odd hill for Intel to die on.

 

[MacBookGamer]

Intel: “Bet you can’t fry eggs on your Mac.”

Rocket League would run just fine on Macs if the developers weren’t greedy and lazy.

 

[pshufd]

For your use case, sure. But most computer purchases these days are mobile/laptops and the screen is almost always going to be just as far away as an attached mouse. A track bar would be closer, but still the action starts with “waggle the mouse”. AND hitting a URL bar with a touch will always be faster than using a mouse/trackpad... unless the mouse was in the URL bar to start with

Having a trackpad doesn’t mean you can’t have a mouse option. Having a mouse doesn’t mean you can’t have a keyboard option, and having a trackpad mouse and keyboard option doesn’t mean you can’t have a touch option. I’ve just discovered going between a Mac, a Windows machine and my iPad, that the ONLY use I have for touch that’s the same across all of them is quick selection of screen objects like text fields, objects, etc.

The problem with a mouse, trackpad and keyboard is desk space. I already use a TKL to get more space. The trackpad doesn't buy me anything for the work that I do.

 

[pshufd]

I doubt that is what has Intel sweating is that Apple has shown that ARM is a viable alternative to X86.

This is exactly what x86 did to Power, SPARC, Alpha, etc.

 

[cmaier]

This is exactly what x86 did to Power, SPARC, Alpha, etc.

Alpha crushed x86. I miss alpha. Alpha also crushed PowerPC, though at exponential we came close, for a brief time.

 

[pshufd]

Alpha crushed x86. I miss alpha. Alpha also crushed PowerPC, though at exponential we came close, for a brief time.

My previous employer still has a lot of Alpha customers running Rdb. They use x86 systems emulating Alpha.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

Any PC is capable of even more, though. There are SOME areas the Mac will never go, but Macs only need to sell 20 million a year to continue to be a market worth making hardware for. That means there are SOME areas the Mac doesn’t HAVE to go.

I'm usually the one making your argument. But in this case, if I bring that 17", it does everything. It runs OSX, it runs Linux, it runs windows NT4, XP, 7, and 10 even though it's not supposed to. It stands in to run our CNC mills. It keeps the large format imaging dept running. It goes in the field and runs autocad 12 and Inventor 2018. It recovers data off old tape drives from 30 years ago, it has 2TB of walking around storage, if you need to read any optical media ever burned, it takes 2min to pop that drive back in. It handles digital audio via built in fiber optic ins & outs in the media lab without needing a $500 external unit. It can plug into any network in the last 25 years when companies won't share wifi, it can connect to old weird firewire crap, it has a PCIExpress slot to connect to even weirder odd crap. whatever else you can imagine, and aside from that, I never have to carry around an adapter, bc this thing will connect to it. When I'm at the university, it has never once not appeared on the network and held its connection so the students can read & write to it like clockwork (should be a given, but you'd surprised). It acts as a media server and a portable backup hub. It has a high enough resolution screen that's big enough no one has to squint to read it, connects to every display new or old and doesn't gripe. It has magsafe which is the only reason it's survived this long, a battery that takes a minute to swap, a hinge that's still solid, and it has clever little details like charging indicators that are invisible until they turn on & things that impressed Steve at the time. You name it, but over the last 12 years, I have asked this clunky old machine that refuses to die to do every job that every PC in my company and school has had that I can think of, and there has never been an occasion where it's been unable to do so. When I say this thing is my swizz army knife, I mean, if there is a fire, the zippy new machines can burn, & I'll take the insurance $. This is the one thing I will grab, and I know I'll be good. I've bought literally thousands of computers over the years, nearly all are limited to being PC's. I've never owned anything else like this. If Apple made computers this versatile today, I'd replace every machine in my company with one.

It's obsolete.

 

[0423MAC]

Intel may be afraid that Apple will sell M1s, 2s, 3s to PC vendors and Microsoft. I doubt it would ever happen but imagine if it did.

Highly unlikely as it will make it easier for people to build hackintosh systems.

 

[pshufd]

Highly unlikely as it will make it easier for people to build hackintosh systems.

I don't know that Apple cares that much that people can build Hackintosh systems. A lot of people that build them eventually get into financial and personal situations where it is more efficient to just buy Apple products instead of building them. Or the market gets to the place where there are component shortages and it's a pain in the neck to get the components.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I don't know that Apple cares that much that people can build Hackintosh systems. A lot of people that build them eventually get into financial and personal situations where it is more efficient to just buy Apple products instead of building them. Or the market gets to the place where there are component shortages and it's a pain in the neck to get the components.

I don’t think they care much either, they just don’t want to have to provide software support for someone that didn’t buy the machine. There are licensing restrictions but, from what I understand, they don’t flex those a lot either.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I mean, if there is a fire, the zippy new machines can burn, & I'll take the insurance $. This is the one thing I will grab, and I know I'll be good. I've bought literally thousands of computers over the years, nearly all are limited to being PC's. I've never owned anything else like this. If Apple made computers this versatile today, I'd replace every machine in my company with one.

It's obsolete.

Gotcha, as it does appear to be a legacy compatibility monster! No PC is going to be able touch some of those use cases and no recent Mac will either. It sounds like a challenging but rewarding environment to work in!

 

[pshufd]

I don’t think they care much either, they just don’t want to have to provide software support for someone that didn’t buy the machine. There are licensing restrictions but, from what I understand, they don’t flex those a lot either.

The only time they sue is when someone sells finished Hackintosh systems. They have to sue or else they would be setting a precedent that anyone can do this. They could stop Hackintoshs in software if they wanted to but the fact that they make it relatively easy implies that they don't care. It is bog easy to set up a Hackintosh VM on an Intel system. What you lose is video performance but that's often enough if you just have one or two programs that only run on Macs.

We will, at least, have at least one more version of macOS and I actually think at least two more versions. I'm fine running old versions of macOS for about five years on really old equipment. At some point, my Late 2009 iMac probably becomes a monitor in Target Display Mode.

 

[chivkea]

So intel pretty much told apple to fix those problems and it's gg for intel.

 

[Maximara]

We will, at least, have at least one more version of macOS and I actually think at least two more versions. I'm fine running old versions of macOS for about five years on really old equipment. At some point, my Late 2009 iMac probably becomes a monitor in Target Display Mode.

I thought Target Display Mode was dead for newer Macs. Realize that is only to be used as a display...I think.

 

[pshufd]

I thought Target Display Mode was dead for newer Macs. Realize that is only to be used as a display...I think.

My iMac is from 2009. I have tested TDM on it from my Retina 2015.

 

[deevey]

I'm usually the one making your argument. But in this case, if I bring that 17", it does everything. It runs OSX, it runs Linux, it runs windows NT4, XP, 7, and 10 even though it's not supposed to. It stands in to run our CNC mills. It keeps the large format imaging dept running. It goes in the field and runs autocad 12 and Inventor 2018. It recovers data off old tape drives from 30 years ago, it has 2TB of walking around storage, if you need to read any optical media ever burned, it takes 2min to pop that drive back in. It handles digital audio via built in fiber optic ins & outs in the media lab without needing a $500 external unit. It can plug into any network in the last 25 years when companies won't share wifi, it can connect to old weird firewire crap, it has a PCIExpress slot to connect to even weirder odd crap. whatever else you can imagine, and aside from that, I never have to carry around an adapter, bc this thing will connect to it. When I'm at the university, it has never once not appeared on the network and held its connection so the students can read & write to it like clockwork (should be a given, but you'd surprised). It acts as a media server and a portable backup hub. It has a high enough resolution screen that's big enough no one has to squint to read it, connects to every display new or old and doesn't gripe. It has magsafe which is the only reason it's survived this long, a battery that takes a minute to swap, a hinge that's still solid, and it has clever little details like charging indicators that are invisible until they turn on & things that impressed Steve at the time. You name it, but over the last 12 years, I have asked this clunky old machine that refuses to die to do every job that every PC in my company and school has had that I can think of, and there has never been an occasion where it's been unable to do so. When I say this thing is my swizz army knife, I mean, if there is a fire, the zippy new machines can burn, & I'll take the insurance $. This is the one thing I will grab, and I know I'll be good. I've bought literally thousands of computers over the years, nearly all are limited to being PC's. I've never owned anything else like this. If Apple made computers this versatile today, I'd replace every machine in my company with one.

It's obsolete.

Looks like the enter key is broken though