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Intel's Broadwell Chips for Most Macs Not Shipping Until Early to Mid 2015
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But reaching a point where it could power a Macbook Air...
When might we see an ARM powered MacBook?
No, rather multiple CPUs.
Considering that the A7 is already as fast as PC processors from some years ago, theoretically, this could work.
And we don't know whether the A8 will be 4-core anyway.
But as some1 else already stated: the architecture and therefore the porting of apps might be the biggest problem.
Terrible news for Apple and the consumers waiting for updates on Macs.
But then again, this is still "MACRUMORS."
Next Weeks News: "Apple tightening on suppy chain for MacBooks to prepare for 2014 MacBoook refresh." Lol
But then again, this is still "MACRUMORS."
Next Weeks News: "Apple tightening on suppy chain for MacBooks to prepare for 2014 MacBoook refresh." Lol
I just can't believe that Apple would still base their design cycles to Intel's chip gens. If they do they will be in a trouble to teach customers to think that mac model is still new, even if the same model has been selling for two years.
There's so many featues I'd want more from new macbook than cpu. I have Fusion in my current macbook. Can I also have it on the next one?
There's so many featues I'd want more from new macbook than cpu. I have Fusion in my current macbook. Can I also have it on the next one?
The best of the best from AMD is not nearly as good as the best of Intel, but AMD tends to whack the tar out of comparably priced Intel chips.
They "just" introduced Retina displays in their Macbook lineup, therefore, this is extremely unlikely (not even speaking of the MBA). The iMacs will get 4k on the other hand, that's for sure.
Furthermore, my 2013 13" MBP aleady struggles with its resolution – 4k is completely useless, just like 1080p screens on phones (compared to 720p).
People keep saying that, and it continues to be a bad idea?
Yes, it is as fast as CPU from YEARS ago. Apple tends to ship computers with current technology, though, so it'd be a major downgrade. Not to mention the fact that the GPU would likely be an even bigger downgrade. There would be no upside.
It wouldn't even be a given that battery power would be better, considering the fact that you'd be throwing multiple CPU at something that used fewer before. And that's not even going into the logistics of every piece of software suddenly needing to support multiple cores well.
Apple makes their own chip again
This is probably why Apple would engineer a chip in house, that was worth the switch back to ARM, that far out performs Intel in power and cost. For those ready to argue Intels superior architecture and power over any current ARM or past challenges, I ask you to simply use your imagination and conceive an innovating company such as Apple, innovating a new chip that exceeded all of the challenges nay says post the most when discussing ARM. Apple can stand to lose millions in their Holiday sales and suffer a stagnant slump for an unknown time until Intel gets it together. Who says they will and who says they wont have further delays in the future as now many analysts are now accusing these Intel delays being intentionally manufactured.
This is probably why Apple would engineer a chip in house, that was worth the switch back to ARM, that far out performs Intel in power and cost. For those ready to argue Intels superior architecture and power over any current ARM or past challenges, I ask you to simply use your imagination and conceive an innovating company such as Apple, innovating a new chip that exceeded all of the challenges nay says post the most when discussing ARM. Apple can stand to lose millions in their Holiday sales and suffer a stagnant slump for an unknown time until Intel gets it together. Who says they will and who says they wont have further delays in the future as now many analysts are now accusing these Intel delays being intentionally manufactured.
You're right - and they already predicted that - this from the Wikipedia page for Moore's law: "However, the 2010 update to the International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors predicted that growth will slow at the end of 2013,[15] when transistor counts and densities are to double only every three years."
Thanks for the ref!
The last time I can remember any real innovation from AMD was the Athlon64 chips.
Just a small example of how far ARM chips have come... and don't take this for more than a bunch of numbers on a bench test.
My iPhone 5s 1.3GHz A7 outperforms my Core2Duo 2.4GHz iMac by a fairly large amount.
So the only thing Im saying is ARM is growing and making much larger advances at more and more powerful more often.
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I guess its a good time to buy...
I think after reading this I am for sure buying a 15'' rMBP. I think Skylake is the obvious upgrade here, but I don't know if we can trust Intel with these production dates anymore. If Broadwell was originally going to go into production late 2013 and is now expected by mid 2015, I would guess its safe to assume Skylake to be delayed as well. The two chips are different architectures, but I think these delays are too excessive to the point where Skylake would be delayed as well...
Any opinions?
I think after reading this I am for sure buying a 15'' rMBP. I think Skylake is the obvious upgrade here, but I don't know if we can trust Intel with these production dates anymore. If Broadwell was originally going to go into production late 2013 and is now expected by mid 2015, I would guess its safe to assume Skylake to be delayed as well. The two chips are different architectures, but I think these delays are too excessive to the point where Skylake would be delayed as well...
Any opinions?
That bites - so much for seeing new rMBPs this year
What really bites is that it looks like we'll never see another new 17" MacBook Pro again.
And they'd lose even more sales if they moved to ARM.
Good try for a pep talk, though.
Sure...by few years, ARM processor performance would probably match to current Intel processor... By then we might able to talk about ARM on laptop. If you look at current PC market, none of ARM processor actually capable run as well as x86 PC. None. Windows RT is very limited so does OS X on ARM.
You could run iOS app on windowed mode, that does not provide you ideal experience and apps designed for touch screen will probably run terrible on windowed environment with keyboard and mouse.
Is Microsoft Windows not enough to draw developer developing ARM version if their apps? I do not think so. Windows is the dominate thing in PC world and but still ARM optimized app are lacking.
So if Apple really completely switch to ARM, do you think all developers will port their app into ARM code? The app situation will dramatically different than Windows RT? Anyway, current ARM processors do not provide enough power to emulate x86 app, so you still cannot run most applications on OS X ARM version.
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I have tried Linux and I like some of Linux... But Linux is still lacking when it comes to language support. There is no decent input method for Chinese and Japanese. The IBUS does not really run well.
Back to Windows mainly because lots of application I need simply not available on Linux and I hate running application on virtualized environment.
breaks the Mac mini drought?
I hope this ends up breaking the Mac mini logjam. If the Apple plans had been to hop over Haswell and wait for Broadwell, but the Broadwell horizon keeps receding faster than we approach it, then maybe Apple might finally have mercy on those like me who have been holding our collective breaths for a year now, waiting for the new model to drop -- and who are as a result of collective oxygen deprivation now past collective cyanosis and teetering on the edge of collective loss-of-higher-function.
I hope this ends up breaking the Mac mini logjam. If the Apple plans had been to hop over Haswell and wait for Broadwell, but the Broadwell horizon keeps receding faster than we approach it, then maybe Apple might finally have mercy on those like me who have been holding our collective breaths for a year now, waiting for the new model to drop -- and who are as a result of collective oxygen deprivation now past collective cyanosis and teetering on the edge of collective loss-of-higher-function.
Yeah, Skylake will slip back. Then Intel will likely do their usual trick and the ultra low voltage chips come out first, with the mainstream laptop and desktop SKUs a few months later. Which will disappoint those demanding Skylake MacBooks on the first day of Q4 2015.
We might expect a speed bump around back to school time for existing Haswell lines, that said looking at the Intel spec sheets there are no faster parts currently for say the rMBP 15" unless they do a big jump from 2.0 -> 2.3 and 2.3 -> 2.6. Maybe there's 2.2/2.5/2.8 parts ready but unannounced?
Apple wanted to use Windows as thing to lure Windows user into Mac world and hopefully they will eventually switch to OS X.
Will Apple allow this forever, probably they will drop Windows support when OS X reach to certainly market share when there is no need to lure Windows users. But it is not the time, at least not yet.
Ordered mine from Amazon last nite for this very reason. The savings from there , combined with at best a minor bump in speed this fall made it clear for me there was no reason to wait.
Now I'm just playing the waiting game for hopefully an Ipad Air refresh with more RAM
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I am waiting for AMD support so that I can Hackintosh my AMD machine. I am currently stuck with my Intel Hackintosh.
Well if there's anything that can be gained from this it's AMD, which is apparently now flush with cash from Sony and Microsoft, getting a bit of breathing room. I'm not saying this will mean that we're going to see AMD chips in macs, but rather that they'll be able stay in competition and we know what happens when Intel gets to run it's own show for too long (Prescott).
As for Apple's own ARM based solutions, I don't think they'll scale up that well and Apple simply doesn't have the engineering resources to keep up with Intel in chips for larger systems as the more high end the chip, the more work it's going to be developing it. Both Intel and AMD have fairly huge development divisions in countries with skilled, but cheap, labor. For Intel this is India and AMD it's Malaysia.
The only place where I can see Apple trying out their luck with in-house chips is the Air...
As for Apple's own ARM based solutions, I don't think they'll scale up that well and Apple simply doesn't have the engineering resources to keep up with Intel in chips for larger systems as the more high end the chip, the more work it's going to be developing it. Both Intel and AMD have fairly huge development divisions in countries with skilled, but cheap, labor. For Intel this is India and AMD it's Malaysia.
The only place where I can see Apple trying out their luck with in-house chips is the Air...
IMO Intel realizes that Skylake will be the processor of choice for the PC because of PCI4 and DDR4 with increased throuput speeds, processor efficiency with less heat issues and wireless charging.
PC replacement will not be needed for many years.
If there isn't a breakthrough in processor technology profits will suffer.
So, they will milk it while they can with Hasswell and then Broadwell and push Skylake as far back as they can.