Intel's Broadwell Chips for Most Macs Not Shipping Until Early to Mid 2015

[cgc]

That would mean porting OS X to work on AMD. Just like how Apple did the transition from PowerPC to Intel. That is very unlikely.

AMD and Intel's X86 chips are compatible AFAIK.

So, where is this "Best Product Pipeline in 25 Years Coming Later This Year From Apple" going to start? All I see is garbage "updates" (e.g. slower iMac and 5th Gen iPod Touch). He's obviously only referring to the products they care about and that's the iPhone, iWatch, and iPad products...they con't give a crap about desktops any more.

 

[Fastestflash]

looks like the surface pro 3 wasn't...

Looks like the surface pro 3 wasn't a bad choice after all. I really love it, but was bummed out they didn't wait for Broadwell. Considering the news here that's no longer an issue since I couldn't wait that long for a new computer. Still, it'd be that much better if Intel kept up with its deadlines and broadwell was used instead.

 

[Steve121178]

Why are people talking about AMD? Their chips are crap and unless you want a notebook so hot you can fry an egg on its base, why do people pine for their rubbish?

 

[zadkielyeo]

by experience, would anyone know if apple would do a macbook update in the middle of the "Back to School" promotion which ends on the 9th of sept, or would they do the rMBPs refresh after the promotion?

 

[theluggage]

AMD processors are x86-64 just like Intel processors are.

Or, if you want to be snarky about Intel, you could say that Intel processors are AMD64, just like AMD processors are...

Intel adopted AMDs 64-bit extensions for x86 after their IA-64/Itanium project lived up to its nickname of 'Itanic'...

 

[maflynn]

by experience, would anyone know if apple would do a macbook update in the middle of the "Back to School" promotion which ends on the 9th of sept, or would they do the rMBPs refresh after the promotion?

No, they would wait until that promotion ends.

 

[Lesser Evets]

This is probably why Apple would engineer a chip in house... that far out performs Intel in power and cost. ...

Apple can stand to lose millions in their Holiday sales and suffer a stagnant slump for an unknown time until Intel gets it together. Who says they will and who says they won’t have further delays in the future as now many analysts are now accusing these Intel delays being intentionally manufactured.

I've been saying this for a couple years.

Apple's desktop marketing train is hitched to an outside, Intel, engine. And the Intel machine is a poor performer.

Apple will probably switch back to in-house processors within a couple years, though maybe in slow increments which test waters and allow a smoother transition to a completely Apple designed chip that strengthens compatibility between their mobile and desktop hardware.

 

[deputy_doofy]

No clue why you're quoting me. My statement never made the assumption that the P4 was a good CPU. I was saying Intel made a bad choice with the P4 and this is the reason why AMD was able to catch up. Intel took a bet (Netburst) that didn't pan out right away (pipline so long they had to compensate with higher clock speeds), AMD has the better product at the time.

Well, I took your comment on another angle... Your comment suggested developers need to optimize code rather than rely on new processors constantly. That made me think about the Pentium 4, where Intel themselves weren't worried about optimizing anything and instead just sped the thing up (to the point of frying).

 

[zadkielyeo]

No, they would wait until that promotion ends.

thanks.. hmm well guess that means getting the rMBP before the update..

 

[e-coli]

How about shipping with AMD chips?

Nooooooooo. We can't even get an optimized version of After Effects for the Mac Pro. We don't need yet another architecture for Adobe to develop for. They're code-challenged as it is.

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thanks.. hmm well guess that means getting the rMBP before the update..

The new one fixed the underpowered graphics of the first gen. That model shouldn't have been released. When running in scaled resolution (which, let's face it, everyone does) there was significant interface lag.

Not nearly as bad as the Titanium PowerBook. Worst computer I've ever owned BY A MILE.

 

[Quu]

You are seriously thinking that Apple is gonna introduce 4k in Macbooks?
Wake up please.

Your ignorance is palpable through your offensive call for me to wake up when it is in-fact you who should do such.

http://www.toshiba.com/us/p50t

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/02/asus-zenbook-nx500-hands-on/

Both laptops with 4K displays. The Toshiba? $1,500. Reviews of that are already out and it appears to be shipping. The panels are available, the technology to produce a 4K 15.6" display are available.

Reasons why 4K May happen:

1. Apple has significantly improved 4K support in OS X 10.9.3+
2. Current 15" Retina models offer a 1920x1200 desktop "4K" retina mode already using scaling
3. 15.6" 4K Displays are now available.

 

[827538]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo... Thanks AMD for sucking. No Maxwell for me :-(.

 

[maflynn]

And the Intel machine is a poor performer.

poor performer???
Really, so your saying Apple's ARM processors will have more horsepower then Intel's Haswell? I think you're reaching on that.

Apple will probably switch back to in-house processors within a couple years, though maybe in slow increments which test waters and allow a smoother transition to a completely Apple designed chip that strengthens compatibility between their mobile and desktop hardware.

That will be the day I stop buying Macs then. I've lived through the PPC days, and I'd rather not see a return to a non standard chipset.

 

[Michael Goff]

Nooooooooo. We can't even get an optimized version of After Effects for the Mac Pro. We don't need yet another architecture for Adobe to develop for. They're code-challenged as it is.

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The new one fixed the underpowered graphics of the first gen. That model shouldn't have been released. When running in scaled resolution (which, let's face it, everyone does) there was significant interface lag.

AMD doesn't provide a new architecture.

AMD is x86-64.

 

[ValSalva]

No, not 30% faster. 30% more efficient. That means Broadwell will use less power to get the same amount of work done. Overall performance will only be slightly better at the same clock speed.

From the article:

Intel's Broadwell chips are said to be 30 percent faster and more power efficient than Haswell

Again, worth waiting for if true.

 

[827538]

Nooooooooo. We can't even get an optimized version of After Effects for the Mac Pro. We don't need yet another architecture for Adobe to develop for. They're code-challenged as it is.

Haha so true, Adobe sucks. Hard. I'd rather have an STD than live with Photoshop CC. CS6 works great.

 

[GhostRaider]

Mac Mini, where are you?! Damn it, for sure Apple was planning on releasing a Mac Mini with Broadwell but now we have to wait next year. If you think about it, why would a Mac Mini need a Haswell chip when there is no need for power efficiency. Apple needed a performance boost in CPU and GPU so Broadwell would have been a better choice but either they continue their plans to support Broadwell or scrap it and begin working on Skylake. It's one of the two. Plus a redesign like Mac Pro, maybe.

And I'm surprised people already want to dispose their 2013 MacBook Pro Retina. Geez upgrading every year? Better off buying the highest end model with dedicated graphics than spend double the amount every year.

 

[carlgo]

Likely a lot of people are not going to upgrade their iMac until a retina screen is available.

Lots of upgrades are more important than simply offering more computing power. Few people need more of that.

A mini-Pro would be a super idea. Probably could be built on the same assay line as the MP. Along with of course a retina monitor.

 

[827538]

I've been saying this for a couple years.

Apple's desktop marketing train is hitched to an outside, Intel, engine. And the Intel machine is a poor performer.

Apple will probably switch back to in-house processors within a couple years, though maybe in slow increments which test waters and allow a smoother transition to a completely Apple designed chip that strengthens compatibility between their mobile and desktop hardware.

What's wrong with Intel? Core 2 was a great leap, i7 and Sandy Bridge offered massive performance and Ivy/Haswell drove down power consumption to much more manageable levels. Broadwell will finally bring it down to fanless levels on some ultra books.

 

[Eidorian]

IMO Intel realizes that Skylake will be the processor of choice for the PC because of PCI4 and DDR4 with increased throuput speeds, processor efficiency with less heat issues and wireless charging.

PC replacement will not be needed for many years.

If there isn't a breakthrough in processor technology profits will suffer.

So, they will milk it while they can with Hasswell and then Broadwell and push Skylake as far back as they can.

I could not wait any longer to replace my laptop. It is a world of difference between a Late 2007 Macbook and a Late 2013 Retina 13" Macbook Pro.

Broadwell is not the really leap people are expecting. I agree that the improved video playback support and IGP are of interest but still fall in line with the expected incremental upgrades between Intel Core generations. Haswell-E introduces a new memory standard, DDR4, like Nehalem did for DDR3. Consumers will need to wait for Skylake to see changes of note.

 

[skaeroastro]

Has anyone considered that development of chips past Haswell /could/ be slowed because the feature size is so small?

Haswell 22nm: 52 Si atoms wide
Broadwell/Skylake 14nm: 33 Si atoms
Cannonlake 10nm: 23 Si atoms
(based on the silicon Van der Waals radius of 210pm)

Then again, MOSFETs/transistors have SiO2 and metal dopants layered in them, so beats me as to how many atoms wide and thick they actually are in these multijunction transistors.

yay first post ;D

 

[lawrencewinkler]

Intel producing vapor chips

I love the specs cited for the nonexistent chipset. Apple dumped, far to late, the PowerPC because MOT couldn't get there acts together. Now Apple is in the same boat with Intel.

Apple will have no choice but to build their own X86. Or maybe they could buy Intel and do it that way.

 

[Cod3rror]

The bad thing is that Broadwell is already outdated since it does not have a hardware support for H265.

Better to wait till SkyLake, or even Cannonlake.

 

[Clubber]

I'm sure Apple is extremely frustrated with Intel's delays as it delays Apple's own release schedule. As usual, Intel is the only game in town for x86 processors, but they're fighting for their lives for mobile chips.

An interesting factiod: according to Geekbench, the latest iPad Air is faster than a 2010 MacBook Air. What does the world look like when ARM chips are faster than x86 chips?

2010 MacBook Air Benchmark

iOS Benchmarks

 

[Cod3rror]

Has anyone considered that development of chips past Haswell /could/ be slowed because the feature size is so small?

Haswell 22nm: 52 Si atoms wide
Broadwell 14nm: 33 Si atoms
Skylake 5nm: 12 Si atoms
(based on the silicon Van der Waals radius of 210pm)

Then again, MOSFETs/transistors have SiO2 and metal dopants layered in them, so beats me as to how many atoms wide and thick they actually are in these multijunction transistors.

yay first post ;D

SkyLake is 14nm, Cannonlake 10nm, still a few years till 5nm.