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Intel's Cannonlake Chips Allegedly Delayed Until End of 2018

Nunyabinez said:
As a former Intel employee, they have really frustrated me lately. I can't find a Mac that is substantially better than what I have and it's mainly because there are no significantly more powerful chips to put in them.

Of course the other problem is there hasn't been a "killer app" for a long time that justified needing more power.
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Mmm, Apple could come out with a handful of killer features that would justify an upgrade even if it weren't just more processing power.

How about OLED display with ProMotion? How about FaceID unlock? There's certainly a lot more they can innovate on the mac than just CPU power.
 
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Intel's fab problems will likely end up being TSMC's fab problems at some point. This sort of thing will crop up more and more as feature size decreases. In other words, it's not the architecture that's holding back the release of their chips. Apple will eventually run into this wall with the A-series.
 
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mrzz said:
Unfortunately MacOS can't run on ARM processors which means it won't be possible to run desktop apps on Axx powered devices any time soon.. which is a big limitation regardless power these devices can get.
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macOS and iOS are very closely related. macOS doesn't run on ARM processors on any publicly available products, but I would be very surprised if Apple doesn't have that combination running in private.

ARM originally started on desktop computers. I wouldn't be surprised to see it return.
 
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mrzz said:
Unfortunately MacOS can't run on ARM processors which means it won't be possible to run desktop apps on Axx powered devices any time soon.. which is a big limitation regardless power these devices can get.
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I'm certain macOS, and most if not all first-party apps, are already running just fine on A-series chips (in Apple's labs).

It's getting all of the old third-party stuff moved that's the real trick. This is part of the point of Swift, etc., and why iOS binaries are delivered in intermediate code instead of raw machine code. As developers transition to newer tech it will be easier for Apple to abstract the hardware.
 
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BaltimoreMediaBlog said:
Microsoft would have Apple for lunch. Without anti-trust fears, MS would just cancel Mac Office and watch the Mac wither and die.
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Office 365 (Word, Outlook, Excel, etc.) is already running on the A series CPUs via iOS on the iPhone and iPad. In fact, it's a pretty good revenue stream for Microsoft (via subscription).
 
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Nunyabinez said:
As a former Intel employee, they have really frustrated me lately. I can't find a Mac that is substantially better than what I have and it's mainly because there are no significantly more powerful chips to put in them.

Of course the other problem is there hasn't been a "killer app" for a long time that justified needing more power.
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wait till we start developing for VR full time.
 
Also... it's probably cheaper for Apple to deliver a high-core-count A-series chip than it is to pay Intel for an equivalently-performing CPU. Unless Intel realizes this and is selling to Apple at very low margin (to keep market share).
 
criticasm said:
Now that the A11 chip is on par with dual core Kaby Lakes aren't we this close > < to Apple using an X variant of their own silicon in MacBooks. TBH I'm tired of Intel dragging it's ass to point where I'd prefer Apple to use their own chips in MacBooks or even see what AMD can offer as far as better value wholesale.
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SPOT ON!!!
 
ThisBougieLife said:
Good, that means my laptop won't be obsolete so soon (though I guess it already is since it has the dinosaur technology known as Touch ID...)
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makes me wonder why apple was so cheap to upgrade the camera on their notebooks.

it's a no brainer that they make this happen and thus making your laptop a thing of the past.
 
BaltimoreMediaBlog said:
What is it with this CRAZY MYTH that Ax processors are faster than Intel desktop chips? That's been proven FALSE!
An iPhone barely multitasks at all! It was one of the dumbest benchmarks I've ever seen. HAHA!

A switch to Ax processors for Macs would be the end of the Mac and Tim Cook at Apple in one fell swoop.

Microsoft would have Apple for lunch. Without anti-trust fears, MS would just cancel Mac Office and watch the Mac wither and die. Most computer buyers still think that a computer that cannot run Office is not a serious machine, regardless of how ridiculous that thinking might be.
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Hmm MS Office, is the biggest piece of **** ever! Bloated, slow, dumb and out of it's depth.Without Office on the mac the Mac would do just fine.
Some people might think that a computer that can not run office is not a computer but they usually are locked safely up at night lol
 
Intel should just skip the generation that is slipping and focus on the next generation to be available on schedule or even earlier.
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BaltimoreMediaBlog said:
Microsoft would have Apple for lunch. Without anti-trust fears, MS would just cancel Mac Office and watch the Mac wither and die. Most computer buyers still think that a computer that cannot run Office is not a serious machine, regardless of how ridiculous that thinking might be.
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If Microsoft pulled Office from the Mac, then I would switch to Corel Wordperfect Office on Windows just to deny Microsoft the revenue of Office. Wordperfect Office has that ugly shareware skin on it but I would do it out of spite.
 
mrzz said:
Unfortunately MacOS can't run on ARM processors which means it won't be possible to run desktop apps on Axx powered devices any time soon.. which is a big limitation regardless power these devices can get.
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simple recompile away.
 
mrzz said:
Unfortunately MacOS can't run on ARM processors which means it won't be possible to run desktop apps on Axx powered devices any time soon.. which is a big limitation regardless power these devices can get.
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There have been several demos of Windows 10 on ARM running win32 applications via emulation, Im sure Apple can figure out a way to do it as well. I remember reading that intel was looking to prevent that from happening.
 
Something really weird is happening with the 10nm manufacturing process. It will probably be a huge step up in performance/power consumption, but delay after delay... It seems like it will never come.

I've made my choice, and won't wait any longer. This month I'm getting a 2017 nTB MacBook Pro, with a pair of beats 🙂
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Will0827 said:
There have been several demos of Windows 10 on ARM running win32 applications via emulation, Im sure Apple can figure out a way to do it as well. I remember reading that intel was looking to prevent that from happening.
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I think it will happen, eventually.
Heck, iOS was based on former OS X versions, and Forstall and his team managed to make it run on ARM Processors... all the apps in the iOS App Store are ARM based. I honestly don't see a reason why in some years it cannot happen.
 
If Apple's Ax processors were even close to handling the general purpose workload on Mac, it would already be in those products.

It's ridiculous reading comments from posters who think Geekbench scores are representative of typical workloads. Ask guys like Linus Torvalds what he thinks of GB.
 
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Nunyabinez said:
As a former Intel employee, they have really frustrated me lately. I can't find a Mac that is substantially better than what I have and it's mainly because there are no significantly more powerful chips to put in them.

Of course the other problem is there hasn't been a "killer app" for a long time that justified needing more power.
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A push from Ryzen maybe?
 
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M.PaulCezanne said:
should make it into macs by 2089.
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Yeah, because this constant missing of schedules is somehow Apple's fault. And it's also Apple's fault for not planning ahead to incorporate Intel chips that may or may not be released on schedule (or actually perform). It definitely feels like deja vu to the days of Apple-IBM-Motorola alliance PowerPC chips debacle. Then what happened?
 
JPack said:
If Apple's Ax processors were even close to handling the general purpose workload on Mac, it would already be in those products.

It's ridiculous reading comments from posters who think Geekbench scores are representative of typical workloads. Ask guys like Linus Torvalds what he thinks of GB.
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No it wouldn't. Apple would not dream of switching until it can competitively run existing workloads. They didn't switch to Intel until they could run laps around PowerPC.
 
I haven't really followed up on processers in ages. However, am digging the "lake-style" naming scheme... Cannon lake, Coffee lake, Ice lake. What's next.. Mortar lake? Cappuccino lake? Iceberg lake? 😀
 
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