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Intel's Cannonlake Chips Allegedly Delayed Until End of 2018
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NP. I go overboard, especially when it comes to, what I think, letting the Mac and MacOS slip in importance and quality.
Pushing the ability to run Windows software is big component, I truly believe that. Look at the wasteland that is the MacOS app store. Something simple like NON-KILL-KILL-KILL games for my son(10 years old), I had to struggle find anything worth a damn, and most were years old. Other categories as well. Bad luck on my part perhaps?
If Macs couldn't run Windows, I'd be at a crossroads. Having a portable able to run both is important to me. I used to travel a lot for work, and dual was VITAL. I'll not go back. I know others in the same boat. When I worked in an all Mac environment, it wasn't a big deal - it sounds like that is your experience now. But when you don't, it's a world of difference.
Sorry for spouting off earlier. Have a great night, and keep up the good fight. I wish Apple would have upgraded their non-iMac desktops as well, or I would be right there with ya.
I get that, just not my experience. All I do is develop systems and write code -- I admit its lost on me what is going on in the App Store. my largest gripe is the eternity it takes to archive an app for distribution. I do manage corporate websites on windows but I find a simpleVM works for me - even when I need to flash our custom mp430s. Windows is so insignifcant in this 50 year old developers life I just dont see it being a concern for apple. And to be clear the only reason I bought my first poly Mac was because I knew it'd boot windows if I hated OS X. that ship sailed a decade ago.
dont you find it funny the MS people are so excited they can finally use posix commands in windows, ike that isn't so 1980s? I mean sheesh. I feel like im back managing my original intranet team from 1997.
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This is more reason for Apple to move to a custom silicon desktop solution. More controllable release cycles.
Apple won't move to ARM or AMD in the near future.
Why?
Thunderbolt.
A lot of people would love to have Ryzen AND Thunderbolt, but until Intel licenses it, it's not possible. So moving now to ARM or AMD would mean losing a technology that is deeply integrated in the Apple computers' ecosystem.
Why?
Thunderbolt.
A lot of people would love to have Ryzen AND Thunderbolt, but until Intel licenses it, it's not possible. So moving now to ARM or AMD would mean losing a technology that is deeply integrated in the Apple computers' ecosystem.
Wait! I must have missed it when I slept. What the heck happened to Caramel Macchiato Lake and Pumpkin Spice Latte Lake?! I thought they were next in line….
Apple, please don't use this as an excuse for delaying products, and release:
1- The promised modular Mac Pro (if you started to design it when you promised it, it should be ready to ship even before the iMac Pro, unless of course your concept of "modular" is a "modular cylinder", which of course would need years to be designed).
2- A 14inch rMB.
3- Don't waste your time with the iMac Pro. I'd pay $5000 for a modular Mac Pro, but obviously not for an iMac, because price is not only the amount the money you pay at the beginning, but also the value from serviceability, upgradeability, and expected lifespan.
1- The promised modular Mac Pro (if you started to design it when you promised it, it should be ready to ship even before the iMac Pro, unless of course your concept of "modular" is a "modular cylinder", which of course would need years to be designed).
2- A 14inch rMB.
3- Don't waste your time with the iMac Pro. I'd pay $5000 for a modular Mac Pro, but obviously not for an iMac, because price is not only the amount the money you pay at the beginning, but also the value from serviceability, upgradeability, and expected lifespan.
Man, it used to be easier when the 80386 was the successor of the 80286; and the 486 came after that.
At least Google does the alphabet candy names for their stuff. Intel has gotten too clever by half with their code names.
At least Google does the alphabet candy names for their stuff. Intel has gotten too clever by half with their code names.
Why? AMD CPUs already are cheaper and outperform Intel's in many tasks.
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They already do license TB. Starting in 2018 it will be free. http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...lty-free-for-manufacturers-before-end-of-2017
There are TB PCI cards out there now.
You're also forgetting Apple worked very closely with Intel on TB and most likely has a lot of IP in it.
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Intel is making the same thing as with the 14 nm at its release ... to know more than a year of delay.
This is not reassuring for investors when Intel's technical capabilities to mass produce compared to the competitor ...
Will Samsung become the first smelter?
Surely if it has not already been the case for a few months.
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This is not reassuring for investors when Intel's technical capabilities to mass produce compared to the competitor ...
Will Samsung become the first smelter?
Surely if it has not already been the case for a few months.
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Geekbench is great for telling you how fast something runs its particular version of Geekbench.
When you start to run more complicated tasks the performance landscape is somewhat different. The A series gets close in pure synthetics but in the more real world based tests it's nowhere even close. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Mobil...-Pro-2017-Best-Productivity-Tablet/Performanc
That's previous generation Intel vs previous generation Apple. Intel have just doubled the core count for that chips replacement.
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Oh, don't think for a moment that Apple doesn't have plans for something like that.
The CPU/Chipset is the last single-source component(s) that they don't have control over. Apple has been here before with Motorolla, and then IBM's failures to deliver faster CPUs in a timely manner. Now even mighty Intel is failing them.
The moment that Apple's A-Series CPUs edge out Intel's in performance by whatever the speed penalty on the X86 version of Rosetta is, expect Apple to pull off another CPU switch very quickly. They'll then be almost fully vertically integrated. Every other component they need can come from any of multiple companies.
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Do you seriously think that Apple isn't developing, in parallel, a version of MacOS that runs on ARM? They'd be utter morons not to. It will look the same, and function the same (with "Rosetta" emulation for X86 code). It will just be faster for native apps, and use less power.
Remember... They did that for YEARS before the switch from PowerPC to Intel. When it was finally time to switch, they were ready.
Intel licenses the protocol, so third parties can build and sell peripherals.
I mean licensing the hardware... letting others build thunderbolt into their processors or systems.
We didn't lose any apps in the PPC -> x86 switch. They had an x86 emulator (Rosetta) that was so good that I didn't notice which apps were emulating until Rosetta was removed 3 years later.
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I'm sure Apple, Microsoft, etc. all have their own internal benchmarking tools. It really doesn't matter what Geekbench says. When Apple thinks its chips are fast enough, they'll switch.
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Actually the new keyboard is one of the the only things on the new MBP that I think they improved.
The touchbar is a useless toy, and the lack of normal ports is irritating. The only upside is that I can run an external nVidia 1080ti GPU to do development work with. It's 4x faster than the internal AMD GPU.
Stop dreaming. Intel is still years ahead, even compared to Apple's latest A11 chip. Don't look at Geekbench scores. There is so much more where a x86 crushes every, even Apple's ARM CPU. Apple must be stupid to think about switching. The would completely lose the professional market that need computing power in order to do real work.
As noted, TB can now be licensed to non-Intel CPUs.
And the latest totally unsubstantiated rumor on the 2018 Macintosh Pro is that it will use a liquid-cooled AMD (probably Ryzen, but maybe Epyc) CPU scaling from 8 to 32 cores and 1 to 3 liquid cooled Vega family GPUs. And yes, it will have plenty of TB3 + USB-C ports.
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As a former employee of AMD, I always wondered why we were dogged for missing deadlines when Intel hasn’t shipped a product before its initial date since the 1980s. Every Intel part has been late. They publish new dates and eventually get it, but this is not new.
Intel will not release its next-generation Cannonlake processors until the end of 2018, according to supply chain sources that spoke to DigiTimes.
Unsurprisingly, Intel is believed to be facing problems with its 10-nanometer process, leading to a series of delays. Cannonlake chips were initially set to debut as early as 2017, but have been pushed back several times.If Intel doesn't get Cannonlake out until later in 2018, it could be followed shortly by Intel's Ice Lake chips, made on Intel's 10nm+ process. There's already been some confusion about Cannonlake, as Intel has been referring to Ice Lake as the successor to Coffee Lake, making it unclear just how Cannonlake fits in.
According to DigiTimes, some manufacturers are already planning to skip out on the Cannonlake generation to wait for Ice Lake chips, and others are revising their notebook plans following Intel's delays.
As for Apple, Cannonlake delays have the potential to impact upgrade plans for the low-power MacBook models but are unlikely to cause problems for other notebook upgrades.
Cannonlake is a low voltage chipset not appropriate for machines like the MacBook Pro, with the next-generation of those machines like to adopt Intel's as of yet to be released 14nm++ Coffee Lake chips or the eighth-generation Intel chips announced in August, which are part of a Kaby Lake Refresh.
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hasn't Intel just opened up Thunderbolt... Seems like that would be what your asking for.
"I didn't notice" <- well, good for you! There are a couple of other users, including me, who used several music-related utilities and fx's who has a different opinion regarding how nice that transition was.
Awe. The poor troll-bot saw "Geekbench", but couldn't understand the context.
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So tell me about it. What specifically went right, and wrong.
I'm a heavy Photoshop user, and ran the PPC version for long enough that I forgot it was emulating.
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Yeah, unless you're developing 3D graphics solutions requiring optimum performance (hint hint Apple...), there is nothing that you can do on a Winbox that you can't do much more efficiently on a Mac.
Don't even get me started on backup and recovery. Even you totally trash your system to the point where it won't boot, you can boot via WiFi ***from the web***, reinstall MacOS, and then restore from your Time Machine backup in an hour or less. You can even clone your accounts and data from one machine to another during the install process.
This notion that Mac OS cannot run on ARM chips is false. As Steve Jobs once said, Apple had had a running version of Mac OS on Intel long before the switch and kept a PowerPC version up to date as well in house. I would bet money Apple has lots of builds of Mac OS running on AMD and ARM.
Intels delays are frustrating, but Apple had options. Dell, HP, and a lot more in the same space went to the Kaby Lake G package in the meantime, with much faster Vega graphics with 180GB/s video memory in the meantime.
Intel is frustrating, but so is Apple with them deciding not to do the in between updates.
Intel is frustrating, but so is Apple with them deciding not to do the in between updates.