Intel's Napa Platform with Yonah

[Randall]

Applications will have to be multi-threaded to take advantage of two cores.
If you have been hearing reports that Rosetta is 'comparable' then they are likely to be talking about GUI apps. Apple have said that Rosetta is not suitable for 'performance intensive' applications. Read that too mean an app that doesn't spend all its time waiting for event messages.

I see. So running something like Mathematica or something that requires a lot of processing will suffer greatly, while a simple GUI app that is not CPU intensive would be good to go on Rosetta. So it looks like we might not have such a smooth transition after all. Developers need to get their code compiled for x86 ASAP. That is much easier said then done, esp. for apps that utilize low level CPU instructions.

 

[otter-boy]

If the PB hold the G4 chip till the end of 2006 then we can say its been 5 years. 😉 🙂

Okay, okay, it's been 4.94326791... years with the G4 or is it 4.929457683... or maybe 4.958372645... (maybe I should just use seconds from release for the most accurate numbers?) 😱

 

[digitalbiker]

So the second core can putz around with the library calls while the first core runs the application then. How come we have been hearing reports that Rosetta is fast (enough) to be comparable?

Trust Mactim.

He knows what he is talking about. Most of the reliable reports put Rosetta as ACCEPTABLE performance for non-altivec heavy apps and sub-par to incompatible with altivec heavy apps. This is on the developer machine.

Rosetta won't benefit much from dual procs. I certainly wouldn't expect Pro-Apps to run faster on the x86 OS X until they go native.

 

[Randall]

Yep, Apple milked the G4 in the mobile line for far too long. And they have made a profit on it. So with mobile sales sloping I do not have any pity on Apple. They deserve it. 🙂

I used this exact way to describe the G4's longevity the other day. That is funny! Apple has definately "milked" the G4 to death. The switch to Intel will make them look like geniuses too, because they'll be getting close to 100% increase in processing speed compaired to the dusty old G4s... assuming of course that their applications are ported to x86 architecture.

 

[Randall]

Okay, okay, it's been 4.94326791... years with the G4 or is it 4.929457683... or maybe 4.958372645... (maybe I should just use seconds from release for the most accurate numbers?) 😱

Maybe you could use the PPC G4 to calcualte it out, but we could be here a while waiting for results. 😉

 

[viggen9]

To all those that are saying Apple will introduce Intel iBooks first, well that will mean the ibooks will be faster than the G4 PowerBooks (when using native Intel apps vs native PPC in the PowerBook). So I think the PowerBooks are going to have to be first.

Also we are not going to see dual-core cpus in the iBooks, it will be single core only. Apple needs something to differentiate between them.

Lastly, when Apple said they would switch the professional line last, they were talking about the PowerMac G5, which is plenty of power at the moment.

I think that to get around this problem, Apple will Announce both the PowerBook and iBook lines. The iBooks may start shipping right away, while the PowerBooks could start shipping in time for WWDC. Jobs can challenge the pro app developers to have their apps ready for the pro release in June. This way the PowerBooks will still be faster (on paper) without impacting notebook sales for those customers waiting for the intel processors.

 

[maya]

Maybe you could use the PPC G4 to calcualte it out, but we could be here a while waiting for results. 😉

And in the end it will result in an "error -65" message. 😉 😀
or
The OS will have a kernel panic. 😀

 

[digitalbiker]

Actually no...

PBG4 Ti released Jan 2001 so lets take that:

2001-2002 = 1 year

2002-2003 = 2 years

2003 - 2004 = 3 years

2004 - 2005 = 4 years

If the PB hold the G4 chip till the end of 2006 then we can say its been 5 years. 😉 🙂

Wrong Again.
If they hold the PB with a G4 chip in it for the next six weeks it will be 5 years.

Jan 2001 to Jan 2006 equals 5 years. The end of 2006 would be almost 6 years.

 

[boombashi]

I used this exact way to describe the G4's longevity the other day. That is funny! Apple has definately "milked" the G4 to death. The switch to Intel will make them look like geniuses too, because they'll be getting close to 100% increase in processing speed compaired to the dusty old G4s... assuming of course that their applications are ported to x86 architecture.

I actually Need a PowerBook 6 months ago, but obviously I'm not buying now, and obviously I'm not buying until the restructure the line with a significant speed upgrade. that G4 is so old, you would have to be brain dead to buy one now...unless you are a Hippie and productivity is no concern to you. I just hope we don't have to wait 6 months to get what we want. Remain positive Dual-Core PBs ship in late January 🙂 I will probably punch a whole in my computer if I don't hear good news on Jan 10th. I will then proceed to become a Farmer or a Hippie.

 

[maya]

I think that to get around this problem, Apple will Announce both the PowerBook and iBook lines. The iBooks may start shipping right away, while the PowerBooks could start shipping in time for WWDC. Jobs can challenge the pro app developers to have their apps ready for the pro release in June. This way the PowerBooks will still be faster (on paper) without impacting notebook sales for those customers waiting for the intel processors.

No that will not happen, as the Pro line almost always gets the new processors. The only reason why the iMac got the G5 and not the PowerBook was due to mobility issues, etc...

There is no reason why Apple cannot introduce a PowerBook Intel and at WWDC an iBook Intel for the school year. If the software is ready or not, we cannot say for certain. However this will give some companies the resources to port they "in-house" software over to the new hardware.

And we do not know if all the big companies have they OS X86 apps ready and choose to keep it under wraps till MWSF 2006. 😉 🙂

 

[Peace]

I actually Need a PowerBook 6 months ago, but obviously I'm not buying now, and obviously I'm not buying until the restructure the line with a significant speed upgrade. that G4 is so old, you would have to be brain dead to buy one now...unless you are a Hippie and productivity is no concern to you. I just hope we don't have to wait 6 months to get what we want. Remain positive Dual-Core PBs ship in late January 🙂 I will probably punch a whole in my computer if I don't hear good news on Jan 10th. I will then proceed to become a Farmer or a Hippie.

I'm a hippie and productivity means a lot to me..
🙂

I DO have a rev.a powerbook for sale tho..Only problem is I stepped on the lid last week..Ugly,ugly black stripe down the middle now..*cough* *cough*

 

[boombashi]

Wrong Again.
If they hold the PB with a G4 chip in it for the next six weeks it will be 5 years.

Jan 2001 to Jan 2006 equals 5 years. The end of 2006 would be almost 6 years.

I concur, Maya forgot 2005-2006 in the math.

 

[Randall]

And in the end it will result in an "error -65" message. 😉 😀
or
The OS will have a kernel panic. 😀

LMAO Kernel Panic!!! A classic.

 

[maya]

Wrong Again.
If they hold the PB with a G4 chip in it for the next six weeks it will be 5 years.

LOL, I did forget 2005-2006. My mistake. 🙂

 

[Seasought]

I just bought one of the current Powerbooks but I'm psyched to see what's up next.

Never thought I'd say that again about computers...it's good to be switched.

 

[maya]

I concur, Maya forgot 2005-2006 in the math.

Hehe, you and the other member are indeed correct, I forgot to add Jan 2005-2006 Dec. It must be a long day at work. 😱

 

[Randall]

I just bought one of the current Powerbooks but I'm psyched to see what's up next.

Never thought I'd say that again about computers...it's good to be switched.

Yup Apple got you to switch, then they switched the hardware. Switcherooo!

 

[digitalbiker]

How the heck is that wrong, you are counting 365 days, 12 months in one year. You might want to redo your math as you are actually counting 2006 as the 5th year.

Its a common mistake that also happen when calculating time. 😉 🙂

Want to explain your calculations? 🙂

OK let me show you.
Jan 1, 2001 to Jan. 1 2002, 1 year
Jan. 1 2002 to Jan. 1 2003, 2 years
Jan 1, 2003 to Jan. 1 2004, 3 years
Jan. 1 2004, to Jan. 1 2005, 4 years
Jan. 1 2005 to Jan. 1 2006, 5 years
Jan. 1 2006 to Dec. 31 2006 almost exactly 6 years

Oops! Sorry I see that you already detected your error while I was typing.

 

[Randall]

OK let me show you.
Jan 1, 2001 to Jan. 1 2002, 1 year
Jan. 1 2002 to Jan. 1 2003, 2 years
Jan 1, 2003 to Jan. 1 2004, 3 years
Jan. 1 2004, to Jan. 1 2005, 4 years
Jan. 1 2005 to Jan. 1 2006, 5 years
Jan. 1 2006 to Dec. 31 2006 almost exactly 6 years.

It won't be 6 years... The G4 is in the garbage can come Jan 10th 2006. Finally. Finally!! I hope that Apple plans on upgrading as quickly as Intel can crank them out. Exponentially faster then IBM/Moto ever could.

 

[Seasought]

Yup Apple got you to switch, then they switched the hardware. Switcherooo!

Oh the irony of it all! 😀

 

[boombashi]

I'm a hippie and productivity means a lot to me..
🙂

I DO have a rev.a powerbook for sale tho..Only problem is I stepped on the lid last week..Ugly,ugly black stripe down the middle now..*cough* *cough*

There is a difference in being a Hippie at heart and a Hippie that smokes a pound of grass everyday and tours with Phish - "Time is irrevelvent in the infinite cosmos, man....puff puff" - Nothing wrong with that, I just make more money and have more time off when I get work done quicker 😉

 

[Peace]

There is a difference in being a Hippie at heart and a Hippie that smokes a pound of grass everyday and tours with Phish - "Time is irrevelvent in the infinite cosmos, man....puff puff" - Nothing wrong with that, I just make more money and have more time off when I get work done quicker 😉

I toured with Grateful Dead for quit some time as a photographer.Not all "hippies" are useless people..I have found a lot are more in tune to reality than the corporate world is..

There's more to life than Money..

 

[boombashi]

I toured with Grateful Dead for quit some time as a photographer.Not all "hippies" are useless people..I have found a lot are more in tune to reality than the corporate world is..

There's more to life than Money..

I didn't mean to offend you. To be honest, I love the Greatful Dead and Phish and Hippies 😉 I was just kidding, I'm pretty much one myself in many ways...I went to a couple of Dead shows back in the day...I was just saying that there are some people that don't require as much power out of their machines than others...and I don't know about you but the majority of people I met at dead shows weren't getting much "work" done 😉

I don't live to work, I work to live my man...peace

[Edit] Oh yeah, Steve Jobs was a Hippie and look what happened to him. 😉

 

[Apple Freeeak]

First Intel Macs are....

Mac Mini.

They are starting from the bottom and working their way up.
Powerbooks and PowerMacs will be the absolute last machines to get Intel

 

[nph]

Considering that the current Powerbook has not been updated speedwise in a year, I cant see Apple just letting it sit there with the same speed for another 6 months. I think it wil be PB first and then iBook.
Alternatively maybe we will see the 7448 in the Powerbook first...