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Intel's Napa Platform with Yonah
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Randall said:
That's not what Anandtech's Yonah preview says. They suggest that changes from Dothan to Yonah do pick up performance when it comes to FP calculations. Its just not on par with desktop CPU's.
thank the battery industry for not improving Lithium Ion batteries, or at least come up with longer lasting batteries. Is is just me, or does anybody else feel that while electronics technology has always improved steadily, the power sources seem to stay idle for years at a time? Batteries need to find a way to improve to meet the demands of new technology.WillMak said:sigh...it makes me sad to know my ibook's 5 hour battery life will soon be considered trash
I read the article and I don't see the part were it says that Yonahs FP calculations are better then Dothans. Could you please post a small section of that paragraph for me?SiliconAddict said:
haha I'm sure they will too. I have seen those ALienware laptops, a.k.a. desktop on a hinge. While extremely impressive, you can't reliably use them on your lap without a trip to the hospital for severe third degree burns.iTron5 said:And i'm sure apple will appreciate that
dunno, that's weird.iTron5 said:And i'm sure apple will appreciate that
try a colon together with a lowercase p.Randall said:haha I'm sure they will too. I have seen those ALienware laptops, a.k.a. desktop on a hinge. While extremely impressive, you can't reliably use them on your lap without a trip to the hospital for severe third degree burns.
yeah i had a sager, the same chasis that alienware uses, while it was AWESOME for pure power and gaming, it is not a 'portable' by any means, and your right, don't put it on your lap. It was perfect for what i bought it for however. I am greatly looking forward to new apple laptops though, i know this will be seen as against all laws of man and nature by some on here, but i want to set this up as triple boot if possible, os/x, windows xp, and linux. I'm a developer and this would make the absolute dream setup for me.
I hear you. Apple switching to x86 is a dream come true for the triple-boot scenerioiTron5 said:
Just image having one machine that runs 99% of all the software known to man. sweeet.Randall said:I hear you. Apple switching to x86 is a dream come true for the triple-boot scenerio
yeah now if they could just cram a 500gb drive in there all is good
Yup. SATA 3Gb/sec of course.iTron5 said:yeah now if they could just cram a 500gb drive in there all is good
the dig into all of this
Though I am very fond of the idea of incorporating power-saving chips with huge performance potentials, I see only one problem, that is that where as Alien Ware supplies 64bit chips, Yonah is still 32bit, dual, but merely 32 bit. For windows or linux users, this is not a problem as there are separate versions for native and pure 32 or 64 bit hardwares, but osx is a blanket os, having to spread over all hardware configs. If Yonah takes reigns into the portable field, though needed as a speedy replacement to the g4, we will be stuck with 32bit os which will not benefit 64bit high-end users. I for one am not in for mac users to be relegated to yesterday. Yonah is great, but not if my next Leapard must share its kernel koding between the two different bus widths.
iTron5 said:
Though I am very fond of the idea of incorporating power-saving chips with huge performance potentials, I see only one problem, that is that where as Alien Ware supplies 64bit chips, Yonah is still 32bit, dual, but merely 32 bit. For windows or linux users, this is not a problem as there are separate versions for native and pure 32 or 64 bit hardwares, but osx is a blanket os, having to spread over all hardware configs. If Yonah takes reigns into the portable field, though needed as a speedy replacement to the g4, we will be stuck with 32bit os which will not benefit 64bit high-end users. I for one am not in for mac users to be relegated to yesterday. Yonah is great, but not if my next Leapard must share its kernel koding between the two different bus widths.
No matter what they choose, it can't come too soon. You just can't get enough RAM or tweak these lame duck G4's anymore. Forgive it all you want, but it's a dead, dead dog. My linux laptop flies compared to my maxed out PB, and though it's usability is atrocious, it still gets projects done faster, so I'm pretty excited to not see the spinning beachball as much come next year.
Thanks for the link, but all this does is compare Yonah to desktop architectures. it doesn't really say anything about FP calculations versus current Pentium Ms, which as far as I know, are slightly better.SiliconAddict said:
it takes all kinds....
And I suppose that you believed Apple's claim that the Powermac G5 was the first desktop 64-bit computer, and their claim that the PMG4 was a supercomputer, and those ridiculous GFLOPS claims for every PM ???Randall said:Well then I'm not officially counting them.
Is that what that thing is supposed to be? hehSome_Big_Spoon said:
It was an interresting choice over the generic hour glass I must admit.
now now let's not get crazy. The fact is that a desktop architecture stuffed up the ass of a laptop is not truely portable in the traditional sense of the word. These alienware "laptops" do burn the skin if you put it on your lap. Sure it's great for LAN parties etc, but it is not a true mobile computer that you can use in any on-the-go situation. I mean, just look at the girth on this thing. The side of it should say HOT!! like the McDonalds coffee cups do, so that you don't burn your crotch.AidenShaw said:And I suppose that you believed Apple's claim that the Powermac G5 was the first desktop 64-bit computer, and their claim that the PMG4 was a supercomputer, and those ridiculous GFLOPS claims for every PM ???
what high-end 64-bit users?
The Tiger support for 64-bit is extremely lame - no GUI apps, no Cocoa, just services and terminal apps.
But, the OSx64 problem isn't that the Yonah chip is 32-bit - it's that OSX on Intel is 32-bit and Apple has said nothing about it's plans for the next big transition - OSx64.
The DTK (Developer Transition Kit) Intel systems are 64-bit capable, which Apple is running in the 32-bit mode.
Apple could be "moving people to today", but they're choosing "yesterday"....
Maybe a protest at MWSF is in order - when Jobs says "One more thing", the audience should stand and start chanting
W H A T A B O U T 6 4 - B I T ???
But how many 64-bit users does OSX actually have? Not very many, if they managed to ship a Tiger update that completely disabled 64-bit without anyone noticing!shigzeo said:
The Tiger support for 64-bit is extremely lame - no GUI apps, no Cocoa, just services and terminal apps.
But, the OSx64 problem isn't that the Yonah chip is 32-bit - it's that OSX on Intel is 32-bit and Apple has said nothing about it's plans for the next big transition - OSx64.
The DTK (Developer Transition Kit) Intel systems are 64-bit capable, which Apple is running in the 32-bit mode.
Apple could be "moving people to today", but they're choosing "yesterday"....
Maybe a protest at MWSF is in order - when Jobs says "One more thing", the audience should stand and start chanting
W H A T A B O U T 6 4 - B I T ???
Randall said:
Read the quote again....
Much like the DivX test, we see that although Yonah has come a long way from Dothan, it is still not competitive with the likes of the Athlon 64 X2. It is a shame, as we were hoping for more out of Intel's FP/SSE enhancements.
Here is the same benchmarks run on Dothan chips
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2129&p=9
You're correct! I was reading this from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_M#Yonah_.26_SossamanSiliconAddict said:
My appoligies sir, you are correct when talking about FP calculations. I was thinking of Integer calculations.
On a side note, I think it will be interresting seeing Steve Jobs tout the Intel x86 architecture. He will only be able to poke fun at Microsoft's operating systems from now on, not the hardware architecture. When he talks about hardware innovation, it will apply to the windows world as well for the most part, which is an interresting twist.
And the 17" Powerbook is "truly portable" ???Randall said:
I tried to talk a friend out of buying one - "John, it's just too big". He got it anyway, and then two months later also bought a 12" PB because the 17" was just too big to haul around. My grandmother would have said that he had "more money than sense"."Portable" means many things. To some people, it means very lightweight, fits on the economy class tray table when the seat in front is reclined, and is small enough for an elegant briefcase. (Apple has nothing for these people - it "has to have a DVD drive and ports for...".)
To other people, "portable" means that it can be put in a case and shipped with the other stage equipment (or video gear, or 12 MPixel cameras), and setup on a work bench for on-location editing, sound boarding or shooting. No concern about weight or power (except that the more power the better).
Apple's painted itself into such a corner with the "it's got to be thin" mantra that they're ignoring a sizable market with a large (often expense account) budget.
"Desktop replacement dual-core portable" is not a bad thing, Steve.