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My first real computer (PC) was bought in 1986 with a 20 meg hard drive. The drive went bad in the first year and was replaced under warranty. I paid an extra $100 to upgrade to a 30 meg HD.

Now I have photos larger than that!

I have USB flash thumb drives that are 250 times larger than that, and they're my throwaways...
 
Dood, some of us remember when 16K of ram and a floppy drive was luxury.

Yeah, we can look forward to the day when today's technical marvel is tomorrow's nostalgia item at the local thrift store.

Yeah, I can still remember those floppies on the mac in our school room and playing Oregon Trail.
 
"Given that flash storage solutions using 3D NAND are not expected to be available until the end of this year at the earliest...."

The Samsung 850 EVO/850 Pro, which has been out for months already, disagrees with you. Article writer needs to check his stuff before writing.
 
"Given that flash storage solutions using 3D NAND are not expected to be available until the end of this year at the earliest...."

The Samsung 850 EVO/850 Pro, which has been out for months already, disagrees with you. Article writer needs to check his stuff before writing.


And you should read this thread, it has been said multiple times. :p;):eek::eek::rolleyes:
 
That's 256 GB MLC, so 256 GB per cell, not 256 GB per drive.

Careful with the math. It will take 32 of the MLC ICs to make a terabyte (1TB) drive.


256 gigabits per chip X 8 bits per byte X 4 = 1 Terabyte
 
It will be interesting to see if Samsung announces they are selling SSDs with 3D Nand after they examine Intel's new technology.

They already do 850 evo and pro series, plus the T1 USB 3 I bought last week.
 
SSDs are advancing ever so rapidly yet Apple is still giving us only128gb as standard and charging bagillions if we need anymore.
 
Oh how I would love a 1TB+ drive in my MacBook (yes, waiting for Apple to put these in the new MacBook line). Hopefully next year? Maybe the year after that?

I have a feeling that Apple may shy away from extreme storage capacities in the near (3-5yrs) future for the sole purpose of pushing their iCloud agenda. If everyone is pushing for cloud storage so heavily, why do we need such monstrous local storage options?

That's not to say I wouldn't jump on that in a heartbeat. I would. Being able to store all my pictures/music/apps/videos on my computer would be amazing.

It's interesting how Apple is an early adopter in some cases (USB Type-C), and less so in others.

When did this become unfeasible? Oh yes, when Apple decided to slim everything down to stupid-arse levels.

My 2 2011 cMBPs and my 2TB iMac 27 are all synced. No storage issues whatsoever. And I have 6 people's worth of photos, videos, game data, docs, etc.

This is good news if, and only if, Apple doesn't make the damn SSD even more proprietary than it already is and if they "allow" us to go as high in size as we want to (based on what's available, of course).

They do love to artificially separate product lines with storage capacity limitations, which is f'in annoying. But a Retina 17 or even a 15 with at least 2TB for a reasonable price may tempt me enough to leave my trusty 2011 17 (by that time, prices should be much lower).
 
So is this going to be more cost-effective in terms of price:storage than HDDs finally? That would be a dream come true.
 
SSDs are advancing ever so rapidly yet Apple is still giving us only128gb as standard and charging bagillions if we need anymore.

256GB is the sweet spot at the moment if you go by NewEgg or Amazon pricing, or at least it was when I checked last October or so. I don't think 128GB is too stingy.
 
10 TB iMac Edition Rose Gold. A selection of power cables available starting at $7000.

So you want a 21st century version of this?

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It's so so sad Apple are so very penny pinching when it comes to memory on their "premium" devices. :(

Are we calling SSD space, memory these days?
I thought the memory was the 1GB RAM we get on the iPhones and SSD space is the 16GB or whatever we get. But maybe I am wrong. I am sure someone here will correct me.

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How much better is SSD than platter for archiving information?
I think really the Macs of the future not having the old legacy ports needed to access the old drives will play a bigger role in the death of external platter HDD's then the platter itself.
 
Can we get an update on the OP that clarifies if this is a new 3D NAND process different from the process already on the market? Given that the Samsung 850 series has been on the market since mid 2014, we can probably drop the portion of the OP I bolded. Several forum members already own the 850.

The difference between the Intel/Micron and the Samsung 3D NAND is explained here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9116/estimating-intelmicron-32layer-256gbit-3d-nand-die-size

Intel-Micron's 32-layer 3D NAND design is by far more efficient than Samsung's, which is mostly explained by the much higher die capacity. The memory array efficiency (i.e. the portion of the die that's dedicated to memory cells) tends to scale with die capacity because the peripheral circuitry doesn't need too many modifications and thus the die area taken by the circuitry doesn't really increase with capacity.

I estimated Intel-Micron's 32-layer 3D NAND to have array efficiency of approximately 85%, which is very good and considerably higher than Samsung's 32-layer design (66% for the 86Gbit MLC part and 72% for the 128Gbit TLC part).

So the claims in the original post about much larger SSDs based on the new technology would appear to be quite reasonable.
 
Glad to hear that we're, eventually, going to see greater capacities; however I only recently bought a 1tb Samsung 850 EVO (which uses 3D NAND) and it still cost a hefty £300.

I wouldn't get my hopes up about seeing affordable 2tb+ drives for a while yet though.

With regards to the Mac Pro; I'd still much rather see a second SSD slot first, as it'd be nice to be able to have mirrored drives for the working volume, as big, expensive, RAID arrays don't help much if the system drive fails :)
 
The difference between the Intel/Micron and the Samsung 3D NAND is explained here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9116/estimating-intelmicron-32layer-256gbit-3d-nand-die-size

I read the same piece on anandtech. It still doesn't help the MR post. The MR post needs more clarifying information. That was my request.

So the claims in the original post about much larger SSDs based on the new technology would appear to be quite reasonable.
You seemed to have missed this part:
Given that flash storage solutions using 3D NAND are not expected to be available until the end of this year at the earliest...

That part of the quote is simply not true. They're available right now. It may be true for the Intel/Micron tech, but it's not true for 3D NAND in general.

Someone reading the original post would think 1) 3D NAND is an Intel/Micron invention. 2) 3D NAND won't be on the market for some time. Basically the post is undersourced and poorly written.
 
I read the same piece on anandtech. It still doesn't help the MR post. The MR post needs more clarifying information. That was my request.


You seemed to have missed this part:
Given that flash storage solutions using 3D NAND are not expected to be available until the end of this year at the earliest...

That part of the quote is simply not true. They're available right now. It may be true for the Intel/Micron tech, but it's not true for 3D NAND in general.

Someone reading the original post would think 1) 3D NAND is an Intel/Micron invention. 2) 3D NAND won't be on the market for some time. Basically the post is undersourced and poorly written.

It is not poorly written if the plan of the post is to misinform :). PR distorts facts all the time to suit the need of the communicator. That thing sound like a press release.
 
How much better is SSD than platter for archiving information?
I think really the Macs of the future not having the old legacy ports needed to access the old drives will play a bigger role in the death of external platter HDD's then the platter itself.

Is an SSD better for that? I thought SSDs had a much shorter lifespan than HDDs despite being more reliable.
 
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