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Intel's Plans for Low-Power Chips

~Shard~ said:
Yep, hence why we won't be seeing these beasts until 2007. In fact, I am in agreement with SiliconAddict, we may not see any Intel-based PowerMacs until 2007 as a result. :cool:
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Yup I doubt any PM with Intel before 2007 (still mostly stand by my June 2005 wild guess).

I do believe we will see quad core PM based on PPC sometime in 2006 (if not sooner).
 
shawnce said:
Yup I doubt any PM with Intel before 2007
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If they do, it'll be MWSF '06 - they'll release something with today's best Intel chips to tide people over until the good stuff comes in 2007. But I don't see them doing that, as today's Intel chips have been around for a while, and are nothing special IMO - the whole point of this move to Intel is to capitallize on some exciting new technologies, not adopt the current ones.

Hence why I say no Intel-based PowerMacs until 2007. Jobs mentioned there were still great products in the PPC pipeline, so I'm thinking they will be directed at the PowerMac (among other machines) to tide us over - some nice dual core 970s would do the trick. Or, perhaps in a beautiful twist of irony, Apple will unveil the 3 GHz PowerMac as the PPC's swan song. :eek: :cool:
 
SiliconAddict said:
My W.A.G is as such:

MWSF ‘06

-Mac Mini running ULV Celeron M's (Shipping NOW.)
-eMac running Celeron M’s as well (Shipping NOW.)
-Next Gen PowerBooks running dual core Yonah. (Shipping in 2-3 months.) (This one is up in the air. It all depends on what shows up at Apple Expo. If there is a Freescale or a G5. Little to no chance that anything will be at MWSF. If it’s a minor update Lets say 80% chance. Yah 80% sounds good. I still hold to what Jobs said at WWDC as an indicator of what may show at MW.)
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You knew I was lurking in the shadows waiting for this right? I slightly disagree... :) lol

For the Mac mini and the eMac to be the first to go Intel, featuring vomit inducing Celeron processors, doesn't make too much sense to me. Especially considering both have enough time to stall for better chips; they top out only at 1.42 GHz while the more heat conscious PowerBooks are up to 1.67 GHz. They both have at least one more potential PPC upgrade.

So do the Power Macs (agreed...not going to x86 until 2007) and even the iMacs. Same for the iBooks.

PowerBooks on the other hand...I mean when we are discussing rumors about a possible 30 MHz upgrade, I don't know how much closer we can get to the wall without hitting it.

The Consumer ---> Prosumer--->Professional transition would make a whole lot more sense if it weren't for the pathetic PowerBook. If there is an update at MWSF '06, I would guess PowerBook first.

But I don't think there will be an update at MWSF, so I reiterate my vote against Intel Macs at MWSF '06. :D :p However, the roadmap does seem awfully good for the rest of 2006; the outlook is quite promising.

Edit: Another thing about your prediction, that would be one heck of a MWSF! Combined with an almost guaranteed update to iLife '06, a probable update to iWork '06, more iTunes/iPod and retail store blabbering, we're kinda pressed for time. Also, I don't know how fond Steve is of the eMac. I can't imagine him going crazy about the new Intel chips that Apple is using....in the revolutionary eMac! Has it ever gotten Keynote time? :)
 
plastique45 said:
Can't wait to get rid of those retarded G5's...
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I think that's a bit excessive, the G5 is a fine chip. Could you please provide us with some technical insight on why you think the G5s are "retarded" as opposed to just making such a statement without any supporting reasoning? :confused:

Oh, and it's G5s (plural), not G5's (possessive). :p :cool:
 
Lacero said:
Everybody beat me up when I said PPC sucks and that Intel rocks! Now I see I have been right all along. :cool:
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oh dont worry, everybodies with you 100% now. its very weird how macrumors works. at first everybody was against the intel announcement. now however you'll have a hard time to find someone to say something negative about it. its funny how easily swayed the people here are.
 
shawnce said:
I say G6 or.... I6 :eek:
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What happened to "H"? :p ;)

I doubt they would do something with an "I" in it. Afterall, the "G" has nothing to do with the manufacturer of the chip (Motorola, IBM),so why use "I"? And then why would it be "I6"? Nah, Apple will come up with something else...

I suggest the "G-More Powerful Than Superman, Batman, Spiderman and the Incredible Hulk Put Together". :cool:
 
plastique45 said:
Just a-w-e-s-o-m-e

Can't wait to get rid of those retarded G5's...
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no doubt


intel rules

i cant believe you all finally see the light. thanks for completely changing your mind people. :rolleyes:
 
beatle888 said:
oh dont worry, everybodies with you 100% now. its very weird how macrumors works. at first everybody was against the intel announcement. now however you'll have a hard time to find someone to say something negative about it. its funny how easily swayed the people here are.
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I think there's a name for that, and I don't think it's necessarily a good thing... :eek:
 
~Shard~ said:
If they do, it'll be MWSF '06 - they'll release something with today's best Intel chips to tide people over until the good stuff comes in 2007. ...

Hence why I say no Intel-based PowerMacs until 2007.
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I would expect to see some Xeon-based dual or quad (dual dual-core) PowerMacs.

I wouldn't be surprised to see both PPC and Xeon PowerMacs sold side-by-side until 2007 when the lower-power chips come along and replace both.

There are a couple of reasons.

1) Developers will want a bigger dual/quad Intel system to develop for the dual-core PowerBooks.

2) If the Intel chips are as fast as some of the reports, Apple won't want the PowerBooks beating the PowerMacs at the benchmarks :eek:

3) It's clear that a case as big as the G5 box has plenty of room to cool a couple of Xeons...
 
flotsam said:
Merom is not five watts, but 35W. The "5W" figure is a typo.

The Inq has some more info and confirms the actual 35W figure.
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That's not what The Inquirer wrote:
Merom is listed at 35W TDP, with a 1-2W average consumption.
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TDP is "thermal design power" - the maximum amount of heat a system should ever have to dissipate. It is meant as a worst-case figure for the people designing cooling solutions. It is not what consumers should expect during normal operation.

The fact that the same sentence says that average consumption is 1-2W tells me that the 5W figure (which was on the Intel slides, not just the C|Net article) is accurate.

Given that current Pentium-M chips consume up to 22W, I don't think Intel would be trumpeting Merom as low-power if it was consuming 35W.
 
AidenShaw said:
I would expect to see some Xeon-based dual or quad (dual dual-core) PowerMacs.

I wouldn't be surprised to see both PPC and Xeon PowerMacs sold side-by-side until 2007 when the lower-power chips come along and replace both.
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True, this could be another possibility. Hadn't actually thought of the Xeon option, was thinking more like just a desktop P4, which as I said, wouldn't make a lot of sense...

AidenShaw said:
2) If the Intel chips are as fast as some of the reports, Apple won't want the PowerBooks beating the PowerMacs at the benchmarks :eek:
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Good point - however the laptops have suffered so much in recent times compared to their desktop counterparts, and laptop sales are exceeding desktops sales nowadays, so perhaps it's time the laptops outperformed the desktops for a little while! :eek: ;)

AidenShaw said:
3) It's clear that a case as big as the G5 box has plenty of room to cool a couple of Xeons...
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Definitely. There's ample room a lot of cool stuff in there. :cool:
 
JoeG4 said:
The TDP on a Pentium 4 3.8 is 130 watts. This article is wrong!
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Then Intel's slides are also wrong.

TDP is a meaningless figure unless you're designing a cooling solution. It's a worst-case scenario, not a measure of normal operation.
 
kenstee said:
Why would anyone get a Yonah-based laptop in 1H'06 with Merom on the way a few months later in 2H'06? This is going to be very interesting!
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Why would anyone ever buy a computer when there will be a faster cheaper one in six months?
 
SiliconAddict said:
Quad core? I REALLY doubt it. Now dual core dual CPU's. Yah. Bring on the warter cooling goodness.
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Actually I meant quad core as in two dual core CPUs not a single quad core CPU... sorry for the confusion :)
 
~Shard~ said:
What happened to "H"? :p ;)

I doubt they would do something with an "I" in it. Afterall, the "G" has nothing to do with the manufacturer of the chip (Motorola, IBM),so why use "I"? And then why would it be "I6"? Nah, Apple will come up with something else...

I suggest the "G-More Powerful Than Superman, Batman, Spiderman and the Incredible Hulk Put Together". :cool:
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Naa it will be the Apple PowerBooks running the new GSpot CPU because these chips coupled with the new laptop hardware is going to hit the mobile market just right. :eek: :eek: Yes I'm a sick sick sick little man. :D
 
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