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Intel's Plans for Low-Power Chips
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I am concerned about Intels memory controller. I hope they have some plans for that that can top what IBM/Apple have now.
I would take a Power5 MCM first thanks 😀shamino said:
- 144MB of cache
- 4 dual core Power5 dies (each core supporting dual concurrent threads)
- 16 concurrent threads as a result
To get the scale of this package know that the hand you see in the photo above is attached to this guy. 😀
rockthecasbah
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according to that article it says the first generation of the mactel desktops were based off P4s, but i thought it was established that they were making all new processor designs and had nothing to do with those pieces of crap. 😕
FocusAndEarnIt
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The Mactels are going to be different in every single way than the developer Intel Macs.rockthecasbah said:
As everyone here are going to tell you 😉
No Macs with Intel processors are being shipped by Apple to customers (then don't yet exist).rockthecasbah said:
All that exists is a developer transition kit. It is not being sold just loaned out to developers, they have to return them in mid 2006. It is not an example of what Apple has planned for Intel based Macs (hardware wise). It only exists to help developers develop and test software for Mac OS X running on x86.
(oh as I have said several times, I strongly believe that no P4 (NetBurst) will ever ship in a real Mac)
rockthecasbah said:
The current developer machines are transitional. They are purely to allow developers to get their x86 code up and running. Do you seriously think that the production versions will sport integrated graphics and all that nonsense?
They are hacked together to facilitate the move to Intel. They are not representative of the final products. Why do some people find this concept so difficult to comprehend?
well, I can say this for sure. Intel's events don't have nearly as pretty of graphics as Apple events. Apple had better get intel up to snuff on that one.
Hard for me to judge, relative to PPC stuff... or even current intel stuff. Would the 5 watt sublaptop be five watts and blow, or be five watts and a rocket?
I wish they gave a little more info.
Well, here's to the future, computers doing more with less, as always.
Hard for me to judge, relative to PPC stuff... or even current intel stuff. Would the 5 watt sublaptop be five watts and blow, or be five watts and a rocket?
I wish they gave a little more info.
Well, here's to the future, computers doing more with less, as always.
shamino
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Nothing official has been said whatsoever.rockthecasbah said:
The developer kits are based off of P4's, but it's anybody's guess about what will be in the shipping systems.
Definitely P4-compatible, because otherwise the developers would revolt (could you imagine spending 18 months developing for a forthcoming chip only to be told that the work is for nothing?) Beyond that, it could be anything.
My personal opinion (and that's all it is - my opinion) is that they will be using off the shelf Intel processor chips, possibly using off the shelf Intel core-logic chips, but installed on third-party custom-designed motherboards.
deputy_doofy
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plastique45 said:
I look forward to the the new Intel line as well. However, I must defend the G5 chip for what it is. In its current incarnation, it is spectacular. What's retarded is IBM, and their lack of vision to take this chip into the future. PPC always had better potential than x86, but the developers of it didn't have the Intel drive. Sad, really.
shamino said:
They are not based off of the P4, they are based off of the x86 architecture, which encompasses the P4, centrino, yonah, Merom, AMD, optron whatever. The new chips are not available so they couldn't very well put them in to developer systems now, can they. The P4 chip design is being replaced by the chips based off of the Mobile M technology as Intel considers it to be able to harness more power. Intel is dropping the P4, so why would apple pick up a derivative of it? P4 is just what's around now, but it will not - NOT - go in to macs. Intel is phasing that design out.
Well said... the funny thing is Intel appears to be take a page or two from the PPC 970 (and Power5) playbook with the new stuff (of course both have similarities to Pentium M).deputy_doofy said:
deputy_doofy
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shawnce said:
Yes, and I'm going to give Intel the benefit of the doubt. The P4 may suck but I'm impressed with the P-M, thus far.
memory controller
what about t=he lack of a memory controller? THis will greatly affect the performance that we are all anticipating. Any comments on this?
what about t=he lack of a memory controller? THis will greatly affect the performance that we are all anticipating. Any comments on this?
Speaking of unappreciated redundancy, how often is it necessary to include images with quoted replies? 🙄outerspaceapple said:
SiliconAddict said:
that is correct, the processors will be off the shelf, but the motherboards may not be
~Shard~ said:
Yeah because Apple never uses the I in anything right?
iBook
iTunes
iPod
iMovie
iLife
iPhoto
...
🙂
Naming Scheme
I'm curious to see if they even call these new computers Powermacs and Powerbooks at all, considering the fact that they are getting away from the PowerPC platform... Somehow I don't think they are going to bother giving the chip a fancy marketing name because the chips are going to be fairly ubiquitous, unlike the PowerPC chips where really nobody else had them.
Maybe we'll just go back to calling it a Mac and a Mac notebook... 😱
I'm curious to see if they even call these new computers Powermacs and Powerbooks at all, considering the fact that they are getting away from the PowerPC platform... Somehow I don't think they are going to bother giving the chip a fancy marketing name because the chips are going to be fairly ubiquitous, unlike the PowerPC chips where really nobody else had them.
Maybe we'll just go back to calling it a Mac and a Mac notebook... 😱
dongmin
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Yonah - notebook chip. 1st half of 2006.
-->PowerBook & iBook Intels released at MWSF 2006
-->Mini Intels released at WWDC 2006
Merom - notebook chip coming in the second half of 2006. 5 watts.
-->PowerBooks move to Meroms at MWSF 2007
Conroe - Desktop counterpart to Merom. Late 2006. up to 65 watts.
-->Power Macs Intels released MWSF 2007 or WWDC 2007
-->iMac Intels released in 2007
Woodcrest - Server processor, up to 80 watts.
-->Xserve Intels at WWDC 2007, transition is complete.
It's obvious with the recent iBook and Mini updates that Apple has essentially stopped PPC development on those lines. I suspect anything with a G4 is now being moved to Intel. That's why I believe we'll see these lines move first to Intel.
-->PowerBook & iBook Intels released at MWSF 2006
-->Mini Intels released at WWDC 2006
Merom - notebook chip coming in the second half of 2006. 5 watts.
-->PowerBooks move to Meroms at MWSF 2007
Conroe - Desktop counterpart to Merom. Late 2006. up to 65 watts.
-->Power Macs Intels released MWSF 2007 or WWDC 2007
-->iMac Intels released in 2007
Woodcrest - Server processor, up to 80 watts.
-->Xserve Intels at WWDC 2007, transition is complete.
It's obvious with the recent iBook and Mini updates that Apple has essentially stopped PPC development on those lines. I suspect anything with a G4 is now being moved to Intel. That's why I believe we'll see these lines move first to Intel.
mainstreetmark
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ART5000 said:
As with so many things... it depends... and we don't yet have enough information to know what Intel is doing with front side bus and north bridges, etc.
Personally I am not to concerned about it.
