Intel's Processor Roadmap

[Topper]

There are about 3 of you that keeps saying the same crap over and over and making people feel "bad" about their recent Mac Pro purchase. This is a true form of geekery and I always laugh when people like you try to justify the reasons for not buying a machine such as the Mac Pro and waiting for the "next best thing". Jeez man, quit weeping. I've held myself for a few years trying to find a perfect spot for an upgrade, and I just did recently, plopped down around $6k (without a Cinema Display) for work. Whoever is willing to drop down this much money for gaming is an imbecile...unless you have money to burn, and I bet none of us here except the enthusiasts have that.

Go get an iMac and keep it quiet. There are pros like me making dough with the Mac Pro without even complaining, and there are hundreds and thousands of others who are doing the same. Focus on more important things. I bet you're just a hobbyist and don't do any pro work that you're required to do on a workstation class computer. That's like me buying an HP workstation and getting a Quadro card on it and using it for gaming. It's just stupid.

How can you spend six thousand dollars on a Mac Pro and not include the Quadro FX 4500 card?
What did you do, fill it up with Apple’s memory?

Go get an iMac and keep it quiet?[/]
Are you out of your friggin’ mind? Here I am telling you I want the Mac Pro with a more powerful video card and and you are suggesting an iMac?

In the end I am going to own a new Mac Pro with a much more powerful video card than your X1900 XT.
My 3d rendering and video editing will be done faster.
AND...I’ll be able to play my games (actually game singular) on it. Oh, god forbid using a workstation computer for games.
My Mac Pro will leave you in the dust.
Talk all you want, use as much name-calling as you would like, but this is going to happen!

Its not thread crapping when you guys tout this nonsense in EVERY thread. You guys have turned the whole mac pro board into "The mac pro sucks" board.

No, more of a “the Mac Pro video cards suck” board.
To quote you, “The mac pro should be using a Geforce 8800 GTX card. The mac pro is not outdated. Just the video card. Lets get that straight. Jeez.”

I'm not buying a Mac Pro "for games". I'm buying it for music production and amateur video editing. I don't need a second machine for "gaming" when I can do it on the Mac Pro, once Apple offers better video card options.

Exactly. When you have a computer as powerful as the Mac Pro, it should have the capability to do it all.
It’s already close, but no cigar.
Hopefully the next generation Mac Pro will be that machine.

 

[cube]

I thought the Quadro was only marginally faster than the X1900.
What you get is CrystalEyes support and more robust drivers/firmware.

 

[suneohair]

That is correct cube.

 

[dartzorichalcos]

I thought the Quadro was only marginally faster than the X1900.

Here is some benchmarks. The Quadro FX 4500 is better than the X1900 in some areas. The ATI Radeon X1900 XT wins in most of the benchmarks though.

 

[Umbongo]

I thought the Quadro was only marginally faster than the X1900.
What you get is CrystalEyes support and more robust drivers/firmware.

It offers significant performance over the X1900XT on certain tasks. As you can see from dartzorichalcos's link on gaming not much difference. http://www.lostcircuits.com/video/quadro_fx1400/9.shtml older benchmarks, an XTX, and I don't know what the mac dirvers are like, but you get the impression from that link.

 

[suneohair]

If you need the Quadro, you know it. It is not a gaming card, although it can be used for it of course. The magic is in the drivers.

 

[cube]

Those two benchmarks look so different. Maybe the games are limited by the performance of shaders/textures at the same level so that the geometric performance difference doesn't show?

 

[Counter]

Ohh, look.

 

[suneohair]

Ohh, look.

Yes look at the G5s.

Did someone try to make them look like Mac Pros by making it seem like they have a second optical bay?

On the topic of waiting. Another reason I am waiting is because I am using my ADC discount. I want to wait and use the discount wisely, which FOR ME is not buying the current outdated Mac Pro. Anyhow, to those waiting lets hope for a great update. It will be worth it I think. I know it is tough waiting, but I can do it.

 

[SDAVE]

How can you spend six thousand dollars on a Mac Pro and not include the Quadro FX 4500 card?
What did you do, fill it up with Apple’s memory?

Go get an iMac and keep it quiet?[/]
Are you out of your friggin’ mind? Here I am telling you I want the Mac Pro with a more powerful video card and and you are suggesting an iMac?

In the end I am going to own a new Mac Pro with a much more powerful video card than your X1900 XT.
My 3d rendering and video editing will be done faster.
AND...I’ll be able to play my games (actually game singular) on it. Oh, god forbid using a workstation computer for games.
My Mac Pro will leave you in the dust.
Talk all you want, use as much name-calling as you would like, but this is going to happen!


No, more of a “the Mac Pro video cards suck” board.
To quote you, “The mac pro should be using a Geforce 8800 GTX card. The mac pro is not outdated. Just the video card. Lets get that straight. Jeez.”


Exactly. When you have a computer as powerful as the Mac Pro, it should have the capability to do it all.
It’s already close, but no cigar.
Hopefully the next generation Mac Pro will be that machine.

Lol calm down geek. I could care less if "your" mac pro "leaves" mine in the dust. I stopped reading your post after you started to compare your "future" Mac Pro with my current one. That's like saying who's boner is longer.

Go back into your room and continue to trade your Pokemon cards.

 

[suneohair]

Lol calm down geek. I could care less if "your" mac pro "leaves" mine in the dust. I stopped reading your post after you started to compare your "future" Mac Pro with my current one. That's like saying who's boner is longer.

Go back into your room and continue to trade your Pokemon cards.

For someone who is so professional you sure are a jerk. If you really are a "professional" why the heck are spending time here?

You are a sad person. Grow up and get a life.

 

[SDAVE]

So Pro's don't have internet access and break times? That's a new one.

 

[suneohair]

So Pro's don't have internet access and break times? That's a new one.

Of course they do. But since you love it so much why do you feel the need to be a bother here? What difference does it make to you if we wait? One would assume none, considering you think the current one is all anyone needs.

I simply don't understand why you waste your time really. This discussion is for those waiting to buy. Those who want info things that may be coming to the Mac Pro.

It really isn't that difficult a concept. But of course you are always right.

 

[SDAVE]

So you have the right to wait for a better Mac Pro and I don't have the right to express my opinion on why there shouldn't be a reason to not buy a Mac Pro now? What is this? Communism? Are we under Stalin here?

I've noted my arguments and I've gotten lame responses from Topper and semi-sarcastic remarks from you (By the way, sarcasm is like a second language to me).

There is a difference between wanting to own a Mac Pro and needing a Mac Pro. Obviously you want one, that is, you can wait for Apple to release a new one. In any case, you shouldn't bring down the people who own one right now.

I've stated many times what Apple's intentions are. And don't even say I don't know them because it's obvious and they've been doing this for years. They control it's users. They want YOU to stick with Apple and they don't want to put in the latest and greatest GPU's in their Mac Pro's. Why? They need to make a profit. If you're over the age of 18, you will understand this concept....sometimes we call this "business". As far as me saying how most Mac users don't know technical mumbo jumbo, I wasn't talking about myself, because I am a very technical person. Most FCP editors have no clue how to set it up, that's why they have assistants do it for them. Macs are like pieces of furniture, and PC's have always been the more technical comrades to Macs. It's not that hard to understand this.

 

[suneohair]

I never brought any one down. FF decided to buy. I wished him luck. Glenn is also buying, I wished him luck as well.

If you want to buy one now, more power to you. You haven't offered anything other than "the current stuff is enough." How is that useful? You arguments offer nothing. Besides, most people here never said "The Mac Pro sucks" or "The current Mac Pro is trash." It is simply outdated. I for one never said your Mac Pro sucks. Yet you take it that way. You want to talk about penis size issues, I think you should turn to yourself.

On the topic of business. Business also demands that you stick with the times. Whats more, if you understood business you would know that at some point it becomes more expensive to carry the 7 series GPU because they won't be produced at least not at current high volumes. Which means? They become more expensive.

Of course you knew this. However in case you don't understand, this means that whether or not Apple wants to put it in or not, it makes sense for them to update it. If they went based on your idea of business we would be using what? Geforce MX's or worse? In which case Apple would be out of business.

But of course you knew this as well. Apple is going to at some point and they have to. Most Pros know their stuff. If they are doing 3D work, they know if Apple has the Quadro 4500 next year, that card won't cut it anymore. Are they going to buy? Maybe or maybe not. But being aware of updates and buying in spite is the nature of the beast if you need it right now.

Yes, Apple controls its users but as you can see from this example and from users here, some are aware and they wait. They have to update eventually if they want to remain competitive.

Based on this ridiculous model the MBP should still be using the x1600 right? Since Apple doesn't want to update...

If you want to have a debate please present some real and informed information. Your lesson on business was one of the worst I have read in a long time, if not ever.

 

[macenforcer]

Does suneohair ever stop fighting with people?

 

[ryanlaing]

im in the same position as suneohair.

if they update the speeds a little, add some more base ram, and possibly bump the graphics card, thats almost 1000 dollars worth of upgrades right there.

basically, waiting an extra month or two will in return give me a years more of solid performance. to me thats worth it.

 

[Wild-Bill]

There is a difference between wanting to own a Mac Pro and needing a Mac Pro. Obviously you want one, that is, you can wait for Apple to release a new one. In any case, you shouldn't bring down the people who own one right now.

You know, I don't recall suneohair or anyone else in this thread who are waiting say they NEED the Mac Pro, and no one has "brought people down" for owning one right now. You're talking out of your ass.....again.

Intel price cuts are about a month away. The x1900xt is a year and a half old. The Mac Pro is just about 11 months old. We're waiting. End of story.

 

[SDAVE]

I only see two idiots in this thread...and their names start with an S (not me) and a W.

 

[BenRoethig]

I don't think there is a set date yet. Intel has just said it will be in the second half of this year. I would say, worse case, expect the Mac Pro to be updated at MWSF in January.

I expect them to be updated in August/September to an all quad core lineup. Base price might be increased to $2599

 

[flappo]

This message is hidden because SDAVE is on your ignore list.

that's better , now can we get back to discussions about the mac pro and the new video cards without being hassled by a 'pro' with an ego problem ?

 

[yipster222]

This message is hidden because SDAVE is on your ignore list.

that's better , now can we get back to discussions about the mac pro and the new video cards without being hassled by a 'pro' with an ego problem ?

The Mac Pro is for anyone who wants a powerful system. As of now Mac Pro is the most powerful system out there and it is the only computer with Dual Quad 3.0Ghz proc. Except for the video card. Do they still sell the x1900 anymore? I guess Apple need to sell the rest of the x1900 before releasing a the Nvidia 8800 card.

As you can see the MBP had the ati 1600 and now it is replaced with Nvidia 8600m. I'm pretty sure the Mac Pro will get the Nvidia 8800 video.

I'm waiting too but I don't care what other people will used their Mac Pro for. You want to play games then go for it...you want to do video editting then do it.

 

[Apple Corps]

Purchases can often be complicated decisions - balancing want / need / budget / update cycles / whatever.

In our case - our G5 Quad was meeting our needs AND still commanding reasonable prices on ebay. Wait a bit longer and I might have an improved MP but take a drop on the G5 Quad used prices. CS3 and minor video editing would see some improvement with the MP. So - what to do????

There is a happy new owner of our G5 Quad and we now have a new 2.66 MP with 5GB RAM in our home office. Very impressed with the speed, low temps, quiet fans, HD arrangement - we are very pleased. It meets that complex balancing act very nicely for us. A revised MP by MWSF - probably more computer for less $$$ - won't make me re-think the decision though.

Get one NOW or HOLD OFF - no right answer - depends on your balancing act.

 

[statikcat]

If they went based on your idea of business we would be using what? Geforce MX's or worse?

No way man. Mac Pro should come stock with a Geforce Ti4200 card!.. and 512mb of RAM and a 80gb HD. I mean that is enough to run the machine right? You can always upgrade.. LOL.

 

[Counter]

Purchases can often be complicated decisions - balancing want / need / budget / update cycles / whatever.

In our case - our G5 Quad was meeting our needs AND still commanding reasonable prices on ebay. Wait a bit longer and I might have an improved MP but take a drop on the G5 Quad used prices. CS3 and minor video editing would see some improvement with the MP. So - what to do????

There is a happy new owner of our G5 Quad and we now have a new 2.66 MP with 5GB RAM in our home office. Very impressed with the speed, low temps, quiet fans, HD arrangement - we are very pleased. It meets that complex balancing act very nicely for us. A revised MP by MWSF - probably more computer for less $$$ - won't make me re-think the decision though.

Get one NOW or HOLD OFF - no right answer - depends on your balancing act.

EXACTLY.

Different factors at work for different people.