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What would I do with a A-series macbook? Run Microsoft Office... no... wait... That's built for x86. Okay, run ____. Nope, also built for x86. Run Windows under bootcamp or virtualization? Nope.

Well, I suppose you could browse the web, but then it's little more than a chromebook - and a freaking expensive one at that... at least until others work through the platform transition and make fat binaries like its 2006 all over again.

Well, I suppose Apple could make a iCloud service to host your x86 apps in the cloud and deliver them to

MS already ported office to iOS and is available in the app store. I downloaded it and have it on my ipad - but I still use iworks. There are some unique software and high graphics games that are not available in iOS, but generally what longfest pointed to (the 80%) is already covered in iOS. Apple does not do serious gaming because they don't do serious GPU processors. As that is true, the minority of gamers will stick to x86 machines where they can customize the hardware to fit their needs. For Apple to play in that area, is years away. For just about everything else you dont need MS.
 
The rMB - IS - the retina MBA. As soon it is affordable enough it will kill the MBA.
Get real - the rMB has a real world battery life of less than 7 hours (far from a whole day) and is not even powerful enough to run demanding Powerpoint presentations without a hitch (unlike the MBA). Granted, the newer processor might improve things but at the moment the rMB is little more than a glorified netbook with a great screen and shockingly limited connectivity.
 
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MS already ported office to iOS and is available in the app store. I downloaded it and have it on my ipad - but I still use iworks. There are some unique software and high graphics games that are not available in iOS, but generally what longfest pointed to (the 80%) is already covered in iOS. Apple does not do serious gaming because they don't do serious GPU processors. As that is true, the minority of gamers will stick to x86 machines where they can customize the hardware to fit their needs. For Apple to play in that area, is years away. For just about everything else you dont need MS.
The problem is more with compatibility than power or customization. MacBook goes ARM => hardly any software available for it. Just because it's on iOS doesn't mean it'll be on ARM OS X. And an iMac is already powerful enough to play most games. Even a rMBP with integrated graphics does OK.
 
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I need an English translation of all this. I'm just beginning in computer science. So does that detail the processor gains of the new one vs old?
The only comparison between new vs old is for the Y class processors suitable for the smaller Retina Pro.
Rest are just specs for the 12" MacBook processors.

Some of us like technical articles, don't dumb things down for the sake of it.
 
1. This Macbook is a piece of crap. They did a BIG mistake by replacing Macbook Air dGPUs with Intel iGPUs, then they made a HUGE mistake by doing the same on Macbook Pros making them basically unusable for any pro graphic, computing, science, gaming, business or design applications.
Do you think the iGPUs are so weak that Apple should stick in power-hogging dGPUs? I was able to play Counter-Strike well on a 2012 rMBP w/o dedicated graphics, and the iGPU in that is junk compared to the new ones. Not sure what business, "computing", science, or design applications need something more powerful, but if you need it, you can buy an rMBP with a dedicated GPU! Most MacBook Air people will not need it.
 
or just kill the new mac book, and add a couple usb-c ports to the mac book air.
The current MBA line is "enjoying" and "celebrating" its 6th (sixth) year practically in that same aesthetics and design (a case which has larger footprint than the rMBP, a non-retina screen but that's really how they can attain a phenomenal 12-hr. battery life in the 13" version, with the Haswells & Broadwells). They must end it, and taking into consideration Apple's love and insistency for ever thinner designs, the rMB line will be diversified but alas with those very low TDP Core-M processors. A bigger screen rMB - like a 14" one - should probably have enough room to have a second USB-C port!... And when MBA totally phase out there will not be any 12-hr. battery life model in any rMB / rMBP line, the max. one will be around 10 hr. I presume, Apple will definitely redesign the rMBP case too (within very soon; either with the 2016 Skylake lineup or at the latest the consequent year) going thinner again (hence axing the battery capacity) but somehow keeping that 10 hr. battery life the present day 13" rMBPs with Broadwells can attain (thanks to Skylake and its followers). But that will be the ceiling!...
 
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The rMB - IS - the retina MBA. As soon it is affordable enough it will kill the MBA.

Exactly. Think of the current rMB as a baby just starting to crawl. By this time next year, it will be walking and in a couple of years it will be running and the MBA will be history. No retina MBA because the rMB is the replacement for the MBA.
 
If this ever happens, it is VERY far away.
That's what we thought about Intel Macs before "the switch." Apple secretly had Mac OS running on Intel long before "the switch." I'd bet money as soon as ARM is capable, OS X is on it in a lab somewhere. Remember that iOS was originally derived from OS X.
 
The problem is more with compatibility than power or customization. MacBook goes ARM => hardly any software available for it. Just because it's on iOS doesn't mean it'll be on ARM OS X. And an iMac is already powerful enough to play most games. Even a rMBP with integrated graphics does OK.
You make a valid point. However, it is my understanding that the kernal for both iOS and OSX is the same linux foundation. as the UI between the two continue to get closer, my assumption is that bridging applications between the two OSs will be easier than say going from the PowerPC chip to x86. as for gaming, my point was the 80/20 rule. yes apple is fine for 80 percent of games. the ipad is good for 70 percent. but for the true gamers, the 20 percenters, the PC is still where its at. Maybe that is shrinking (i have not followed the gaming world as of late).
 
Get real - the rMB has a real world battery life of less than 7 hours (far from a whole day) and is not even powerful enough to run demanding Powerpoint presentations without a hitch (unlike the MBA). Granted, the newer processor might improve things but at the moment the rMB is little more than a glorified netbook with a great screen and shockingly limited connectivity.

It has substantial wireless connectivity, which as you know is the best way to conserve battery life. ;-)
 
I agree, but the one thing it does give you is that magical piece of paper that a medium to corporate sized company wouldn't look at you otherwise. I suppose it all comes down to what you want to do in life. Me personally, the connections I made in school and the degree (ECE), got me my job at a computer hardware corporation.

Connections I made through school got me a job at IBM shortly before I graduated. The moment I had that piece of paper in hand, IBM bumped my pay up by 50% (there wasn't a single thing of value I learned during those two months - IBM just decided that having that paper warranted a big pay increase.)

Google interviewed me without any piece of paper, just based on things I've posted on StackOverflow and other programming websites.
 
I agree, but the one thing it does give you is that magical piece of paper that a medium to corporate sized company wouldn't look at you otherwise. I suppose it all comes down to what you want to do in life. Me personally, the connections I made in school and the degree (ECE), got me my job at a computer hardware corporation.

Tech companies do not care if you have a CS degree. They *do* care if you have the knowledge. Which most people end up learning the easiest through a CS degree. CS degree != CS knowledge. CS knowledge != CS degree.

What is *far far far far far* more valuable are the connections you make through internships, which they do limit to CS students. But that's not really about CS though, everyone should know that your far more likely to be hired through referrals than applying through a website.
 
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The question I keep wanting to know the answer to: will it allow 16GB of RAM?

If so, I'll grab it. If not, then I guess it's rMBP 13 for me.
 
Just give us a Retina Macbook Air already!! :mad::mad:

My man stop dreaming it is never going to happen. I don't understand all these people, you have this beautiful rMacbook which wil get way faster and beter next year and maybe in 14'' in a couple of years. So why don't you want a device with the same spirit of "low performance" and lightness in a all new body.
 
Got a 2012 15" Macbook Pro with Retina Display and plan on holding out until USB-C is that line up. I'd like to see 13+ hours of battery life in the 13" Macbook Pro.
 
Have you learned nothing? I will bet the farm that they have one in the lab right now. So the question that's debatable is, would it be realistic? Maybe. Neither of us have any idea of what Apple has in the works in the Ax department. They apparently caught the market off guard by releasing 64bit 2-4 years earlier than market analysts and competitors were expecting.

On top of it, have you not learned that Apple is all about optimization? That only can be had when you control the hardware & software. Lets be honest, we're nearing the point where more cpu "power" isn't noticeable to the AVERAGE user. I'd even go as far to say that the iPad currently is powerful enough for most use cases of an average user.

The biggest issue I see is how their product portfolio would work. You'll need Intel based computer for power users (video editing, graphic design, etc...) while most would be just fine w/ an Ax based solution. That would be my hang up... but never underestimate Apple.

Btw, what would your "Very far away" equate to in years roughly? Just curious.

No doubt they probably have one as a prototype to see whats possible. Putting the biggest problem of software incompatibility aside, they are still a fair amount away from matching performance.

I would say 4-8 years away.

If Apple is gonna move to ARM, I can only seeing them go all at once and not one line at a time
 
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