Intel's Skylake Processor Lineup for Retina MacBook Revealed

[miguel cortez]

The only thing that Intel has been bringing these past year is battery life. We don't need more.

However by mentioning Counter-Strike has an example you lost all credibility, there's no argument to have with an Apple apologist, you know they won't face the truth one bit...

Moaning about the loss of a GeForce 320M as your dGPU tosses all of your credibility. Even in its day it was a crap card and was not a true dGPU as it shared system RAM just like an iGPU.

The HD6000 in the current Air benches nearly as fast as an AMD 5870. That's great for an IG that's only using 15watts.

 

[DrumApple]

My man stop dreaming it is never going to happen. I don't understand all these people, you have this beautiful rMacbook which wil get way faster and beter next year and maybe in 14'' in a couple of years. So why don't you want a device with the same spirit of "low performance" and lightness in a all new body.

It's really the size and lack of ports. I can't work comfortably on anything less than a 13".

 

[Janichsan]

Really? I could have sworn there was a Microsoft Office for iPads and iPhones...

…which is little more than some Office "lite" and nowhere near to have all the features of the desktop version.

 

[sudo1996]

The only thing that Intel has been bringing these past year is battery life. We don't need more.

However by mentioning Counter-Strike has an example you lost all credibility, there's no argument to have with an Apple apologist, you know they won't face the truth one bit...

No, Intel has brought more than battery life. Their integrated graphics are much, much faster now. Meanwhile, I have been grateful that they increased the battery life. We used to have to carry around a charger. Now we can finally go a full work day on battery if we need to

What do you have against Counter-Strike? Do you seriously think even 10% of users need to run something more demanding than that? They're all using MS Word, Pages, Photoshop, Vim, Eclipse, etc.. For those who do graphics-intensive design work or are gamers (who use a Mac laptop, LOL), there is the MacBook Pro with a dedicated GPU.

 

[MacRazySwe]

I'm still not convinced. Need more POWER!

 

[Edgar Spayce]

No, Intel has brought more than battery life. Their integrated graphics are much, much faster now. Meanwhile, I have been grateful that they increased the battery life. We used to have to carry around a charger. Now we can finally go a full work day on battery if we need to

What do you have against Counter-Strike? Do you seriously think even 10% of users need to run something more demanding than that? They're all using MS Word, Pages, Photoshop, Vim, Eclipse, etc.. For those who do graphics-intensive design work or are gamers (who use a Mac laptop, LOL), there is the MacBook Pro with a dedicated GPU.

And you have FreeBSD as an avatar...

You're either a paid hidden community manager or are completely lobotomised, seriously "I am GRATEFUL that they increased battery life"...

 

[Edgar Spayce]

Moaning about the loss of a GeForce 320M as your dGPU tosses all of your credibility. Even in its day it was a crap card and was not a true dGPU as it shared system RAM just like an iGPU.

The HD6000 in the current Air benches nearly as fast as an AMD 5870. That's great for an IG that's only using 15watts.

It was a crap card that was way better than the few next integrated GPUs it was replaced with.

Right now your HD6000 doesn't even match a 820M neither does it 5870, you're just pulling lie out of your ass, noting that Intel GPU problems is not just the fact that raw performances are low but also that it's software infrastructure and drivers are way less efficient than DirectX or OpenGl (which it doesn't fully integrate), AND they will switch to Metal that is even weaker and more proprietary.

But again, what you say as an Apple apologist doesn't matter, facts are more and more people are switching or adding a PC a side machine for many music, business, 3D, video etc...applications, because unlike latecomer apologists, lots of pros, designers and artists who used to when Macbook Pro see the dramatic plunge in performance up to the point where it's unusable. And because there are leaders and followers, casual users will follow as always.

 

[chucker23n1]

BTW, neither OS is based on Linux but on BSD, but they're very similar.

They're "based on" neither Linux nor BSD. They use some components from the BSD and GNU userlands, and they're a UNIX, and therefore similar to both Linux and BSD.

iOS is still a proof of concept regarding the idea that OS X could potentially run on ARM.

Was ether ever any doubt that OS X could be ported to ARM? Nor is there doubt that Apple, who have gained experience with major transitions like 68k → PowerPC and PowerPC → Intel, would be able to implement it well.

The doubts are whether it's worth it. They'd gain more control over the hardware. They could make even lower-powered machines, but they could already do that today by using Intel Atom, so they don't seem interested in that. They'll probably gain some margin, especially if they're able to scale their CPU to the point where it can substitute Skylake-U or even -H.

The question is whether that's enough. Sure isn't for me; I'd need to seriously consider whether I'd go dual-machine (yuck) or move away from OS X, since an ARM-powered MacBook Pro certainly won't emulate Windows fast enough.

 

[chucker23n1]

The only thing that Intel has been bringing these past year is battery life. We don't need more.

Yes, yes we do.

I at least hope that this is the case because that would mean that the coding for OS X/iOS would need both types of code installed and allow for greater compatibility for the future.

Buh?

Anyway, the iPhone 6 plus was clocked at 1.4GHz and it runs very well. So if a phone can run an OS very well at that clock speed with minimal ram along with great memory management algorithms, I would say that it's close! It should be awesome.

What does clock speed have to do with anything?

 

[subsonix]

Was ether ever any doubt that OS X could be ported to ARM?

The post I quoted seemed to doubt it, or at least relate the difference in system frameworks to the CPU architecture.

 

[Warbrain]

You have to be completely ignorant if you think Apple isn't testing Macs based off ARM architecture. We already have an iPad Air that is exceptionally fast. There is no reason that couldn't be used in a device like the MacBook. Most Mac users don't dual-boot into Windows or run a VM. Do you think Apple cares about losing those people? Hell no. They'd likely keep selling Intel Macs for a while if you really wanted one just like they did with the PPC-to-Intel transition.

Everyone thinking that Apple is going to switch to Intel Mobile infrastructure is also ignorant. Apple doesn't want to be beholden to anyone. Why would they do that with the iOS devices and switch to Intel chips? They're still nowhere near ARM designs.

The likely thing to happen is an intermediary period where Apple allows iOS apps to run in OS X on Intel and, after a year or two, ARM-based laptops. The MacBook is the perfect device for it.

 

[chucker23n1]

You have to be completely ignorant if you think Apple isn't testing Macs based off ARM architecture. We already have an iPad Air that is exceptionally fast. There is no reason that couldn't be used in a device like the MacBook. Most Mac users don't dual-boot into Windows or run a VM. Do you think Apple cares about losing those people? Hell no. They'd likely keep selling Intel Macs for a while if you really wanted one just like they did with the PPC-to-Intel transition.

Everyone thinking that Apple is going to switch to Intel Mobile infrastructure is also ignorant. Apple doesn't want to be beholden to anyone. Why would they do that with the iOS devices and switch to Intel chips? They're still nowhere near ARM designs.

The likely thing to happen is an intermediary period where Apple allows iOS apps to run in OS X on Intel and, after a year or two, ARM-based laptops. The MacBook is the perfect device for it.

You're not answering the "why".

 

[Warbrain]

You're not answering the "why".

Apple doesn't want to be beholden to any other company that holds them back like Intel. It was right in there.

 

[chucker23n1]

Apple doesn't want to be beholden to any other company that holds them back like Intel. It was right in there.

If that alone were enough, they'd start developing their own screen, controllers for Thunderbolt, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and NFC, Flash storage, and so forth.

 

[SSD-GUY]

So... When can we see these in the new MacBooks?

 

[Warbrain]

If that alone were enough, they'd start developing their own screen, controllers for Thunderbolt, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and NFC, Flash storage, and so forth.

You've already seen them do it with the iMac with Retina Display and the flash storage modules in the laptops. So, yes, it's happening.

 

[chucker23n1]

You've already seen them do it with the iMac with Retina Display

That was out of need for a temporary suitable solution.

and the flash storage modules in the laptops. So, yes, it's happening.

Not sure what you're talking about. Most of those are Samsung controllers, e.g. the SM951.

 

[Warbrain]

That was out of need for a temporary suitable solution.



Not sure what you're talking about. Most of those are Samsung controllers, e.g. the SM951.

But the actual component is specially built for Apple. It's not a standard SSD.

 

[chucker23n1]

But the actual component is specially built for Apple. It's not a standard SSD.

Sounds like you're making an argument for Apple partnering with third parties, not for Apple becoming less dependent of third parties.

 

[Fthree]

since i picked up apple stock last week i have to say this---- Skylake will be the single greatest thing to happen to the macbook ever, everyone just go out and upgrade as soon as it hits the stores!

On a real note--- Looking at the OP post i feel confident that upgrading to the 2015 15 was a good thing to do.

 

[aront]

Just give us a Retina Macbook Air already!!

or just kill the new mac book, and add a couple usb-c ports to the mac book air.

Tim Cook is all about profit margins. He wanted to increase margins on the MBA (480 front camera, mobile processor, remove lighted logo, smaller screen, etc.), but it would have been too obvious that's what he's doing. So, instead, he produced a crippled, higher margin 12" Macbook as a future Air replacement, rather than put a Retina screen in the current lower margin, higher quality/spec'd MB Air. Another purpose of the crippled, inferior Air replacement is to force buyers into the higher priced Pro line, or be stuck with an over-priced, crippled, high margin equivalent of a tablet with keyboard (i.e., 12" Macbook). Bean-counter, Tim!

 

[Fthree]

Tim Cook is all about profit margins. He wanted to increase margins on the MBA (480 front camera, mobile processor, remove lighted logo, smaller screen, etc.), but it would have been too obvious that's what he's doing. So, instead, he produced a crippled, higher margin 12" Macbook as a future Air replacement, rather than put a Retina screen in the current lower margin, higher quality/spec'd MB Air. Another purpose of the crippled, inferior Air replacement is to force buyers into the higher priced Pro line, or be stuck with an over-priced, crippled, high margin equivalent of a tablet with keyboard (i.e., 12" Macbook). Bean-counter, Tim!

unfortunately as much as id like to agree with you i have to disagree. I do NOT own a mb and have tried to talk others out of one on this forum BUT it seems that the people that have purchased the mb seem to love them and will probably be fans of them for every upgrade.

 

[aront]

unfortunately as much as id like to agree with you i have to disagree. I do NOT own a mb and have tried to talk others out of one on this forum BUT it seems that the people that have purchased the mb seem to love them and will probably be fans of them for every upgrade.

Of course you would. I'm quite familiar with the MO here.

"Apple PR/Marketing people are having to work overtime in post Jobs Apple. A lot of apologetics in the MacRumors forum. Within two minutes of a negative post Apple PR reps are quick to try and quell any criticism."

"When you respond within minutes to a post criticizing Apple, ignore counterpoints, use heavy apologetics, use every reply as an opportunity to praise Apple…you have exposed the fact that you are an employee of Apple's PR/marketing department."

"Notice, per PR guidelines, the last sentence or statement in an apologist post is always some random praise or compliment of Apple? Seriously, it's so obvious."

And nice suggestive marketing line there, that last comment of yours.

 

[aront]

Exactly. Think of the current rMB as a baby just starting to crawl. By this time next year, it will be walking and in a couple of years it will be running and the MBA will be history. No retina MBA because the rMB is the replacement for the MBA.

So, you're admitting and acknowledging that Tim purposely crippled and dumbed down the rMB, and is using a strategy to get us to continually upgrade from baby, to walking, to running? Or, you're saying that Tim is incapable of producing a fully mature machine, right now!

This is over the top bean-counting, screw the customer, planned obsolescence. Apple, with Tim Cook as CEO, is no longer interested in producing superior products, it's all about increasing profit margins.

 

[aront]

My man stop dreaming it is never going to happen. I don't understand all these people, you have this beautiful rMacbook which wil get way faster and beter next year and maybe in 14'' in a couple of years. So why don't you want a device with the same spirit of "low performance" and lightness in a all new body.

You claim you "don't understand" why and then you go on to say that it will "get way faster and better next year" and "maybe in 14" in a couple of years". Seems you do understand why; it's way slower than should be, bad this year, and screen too small. This thing is the joke of the industry right now and not worth buying, and your rationalization for it's current state is that it will get better?

Maybe this video will help you understand: