just depends on what you mean by 'outdated' and/or how that may apply to real-world-usages..
to me, a computer doesn't begin to be outdated until it's around 4-5 years old.
ymmv of course.
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to me, a computer doesn't begin to be outdated until it's around 4-5 years old.
ymmv of course.
I totally agree. When I read that Coffee Lake will be released in late 2017/early 2018, I instantly thought that these chips won't arrive in Apple products until late 2018, maybe even early 2019 with the next major MBP redesign.
PERFECT COMMENT. A+ to you my friend.
For a minute I considered putting an order for the alleged updated MBP without even seeing it, trusting that Apple would make things right this time around...but then I woke up and realized that TC was still the CEO.
I have 20 years of experience in software development, and I'm yet to see someone address themselves as a professional software developer, with "emphasis" on "pro" Given they are all "professionals" by definition, cause to become a software developer you needed a degree or certification as a software developer professional.....see where it's used...
Uuhhhhhh there are Professional software developers just like there are amateur software developers. If I only program for fun every few weeks, does that automatically make me a professional programmer?
I am a sys admin. Just because I do some Powershell Scripts or some light coding for some small utilities, that makes me a professional software developer like the ones at Microsoft writing Windows? No, I am not a "professional" software developer. Take a look at Stackexchange. There are a lot of discussions about professional and amateur software developers.
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Sadly, it wasn't always so. Back when they were Apple Computer, Inc. their computers were usually ahead of the curve. You paid a premium for them but I always felt you got what you paid for (advanced technology, quality parts, customer service, etc). When you saw a Powerbook (or the early Macbook Pro) you knew it was something special.
Then came the iPhone and it went down hill from there. Apple removed Computer from their name and I remember thinking how much of an omen that was.
I get it though. Apple makes tons of money off the iPhone and catering to people who are more interested in emojis than decent hardware. I'm sure somebody will point out that the 2016 MBP has sold extremely well despite having dated hardware, anemic memory/GPU, and a gimmicky touch bar wrapped in an embarrassing price tag.
I just find it sad that silly products like the Apple Watch get updated more than their computer line. Does the Mac Pro not stand as an icon for Apple's apathy toward their computer line? Feel free to insert a Tim Cook earnings call quote here alluding to a pipeline full of cutting edge computer hardware coming soon.
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The thing is, he's not wrong. It is a gimped machine at an overblown price. Sometimes Apple deserves criticism. People like you were probably criticising people like me when we were criticising the Mac Pro for being an overpriced, thermally compromised, un-upgradeable POS. Maybe if Apple had listened to what it's customers actually wanted (and their criticism of what was released) they wouldn't have found themselves in the 5 year black hole that is the nMP.
Apple isn't infallible. And criticism shouldn't be viewed with negativity. It should be used to inspire towards betterment.
Do we need to refer to you as a "pro" sys admin? As a say admin, it's implied you have the professional qualifications and have passed the companies prerequisites for the job, That is my point. You may find you are not getting paid for your coding skills
I'm sure you have other awesome amateur skills though you are hired as a sys admin....your professional job....one requiring a qualification ? There may well very well be many amateur software developers, just that I've never hired any nor have the companies I worked for, the pro is a mute point cause everyone hired as a developer was qualified for the job . The key word here is "qualified" to be honest .
It's like a mechanic, you take your car to one, and avoid the non qualified ones
that is obsolete
2011 MacBook pros are considered obsolete by apple this year, and no longer supported by the company themselves. 2011 are still fine machines for most usage cases though. And in someways still more
Robust than the new MacBook pros
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Greed is what makes them outdated. From
The outset they choose complements that are older and cheaper to maximise profits. They put it into a sexy case and rise the prices as innovation, Tim Cooks apple, they even milk you further by forcing you to buy adapaters.. once USB-C becomes mainstream they will switch to another proprietary socket, to rinse and release.... FireWire, mini display port, TB..... and it continues....
hmm.. 2011 is 6 years ago.that is obsolete
2011 are still fine machines for most usage cases though. And in someways still more
Robust than the new MacBook pros
i said (smthng like) "begin being outdated at yr 4 or 5"
like, what you're saying goes right along with what i've said.. it's not a counterpoint
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and what i mean by that is---
if i use (and i mean, actually use as intended and not some theoretical and/or benchmarky stuff) a 2016 computer vs 2015 computer... only very slight, if any, noticeable differences..
2016 vs 2014.. hmm, cool, 2016 is a little snappier :/
2016 vs 2013.. same
2016 vs 2012.. ok, maybe some differences here.. probably about time to plan my next buy..
then you get a year or two to wait til the model you will happy with for the next cycle.. or get one now.. you'll experience a better computer... the 2012 is on it's way out.. not out but getting there.
but any sort of replacement buy during the 2013 - 2016 period is just a bad buy.. the 2013 isn't outdated in 2016.. not in my view of 'outdated' at least.
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Just adding that apple considers obsolete 6 years and takes away support officially .
I'm not saying you are wrong. If anything , after outdated comes ....obsolete
The A11 might get close to a i7-5000U or i7-6000U class chip used for MBA's on single threaded drag race benchmarks (1-2 generations back ... although with a completely comatose MBA if it keeps standing still for yet another year..... ), but Intel's flagship performance general core processors (and moving into the multiple core benchmarks) ? The A11 isn't even be in the same zipcode let alone close in performance.
ha. right.Just adding that apple considers obsolete 6 years and takes away support officially .
I'm not saying you are wrong. If anything , after outdated comes ....obsolete
Starbucks Lake would have been my preference. But a Starbucks Lake is 75% more costly to swim in than a regular Coffee Lake.
Yeah but, like you wrote, YMMV. (I think) I once saw that you worked in VFX. What machine/configuration are you using and have you had any problems with it?
Welcome to the world of slow Apple hardware upgrades with inflated prices.
Apple is not what it used to be, since Tim Cook took over the company.
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