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That's what I figured. I get the dramatic jump in 4K performance with Kabylake, but general computing jumps of 30% generation to generation is basically unheard of when it comes to (non-mobile) processors these days.

AMD have managed greater increases with Ryzen. But they were starting from rock bottom, to be frank.
 
How in the world are they getting 30% improvement (unless only in very specific scenarios)? Wouldn't that be the biggest processor performance leap in like a decade?

I agree with you. It's probably if all cores are firing. If it's doing a single core task, I bet the improvement is minimal and not noticeable. I replaced a 10 year old laptop with something hot off the assembly line and can't really say it's all that impressive. It just doesn't happen like it did back in the 1990's. Wow, back then there was a noticeable difference when you purchased a new machine! Today, not so much.
 
Probably a new, improved architecture and some tricks with better caching. AMD got a better performance leap in Zen though. But yeah, optimising this further is crazily complicated and very impressive.
I think you're misreading me. I don't believe for a second that in general use the processors are 30% faster. I DO believe that in specific cases it is 30%+ faster, however.
 
AMD have managed greater increases with Ryzen. But they were starting from rock bottom, to be frank.
Yea, but wasn't that after like a 2+ year holding pattern of no real updates to begin with?
 
Ah, yes, so you contend that Intel has nothing to do with HDMI, Bluetooth, DDR and Display Port support? Well, have I got a surprise for you! Again, you have a problem with the state of innovation regarding chips or the implementation of these standards, go troll Intel.

You have a problem with logical reasoning. And remind me what Intel has to do with Bluetooth and OLED technology again?
 
I wonder if Intel's claim of 30% leap in performance is in part to dissuade Apple not to go it alone with it's own chips.
 
Please Apple give us those Core i9 18 core iMacs instead of crappy E3 Xeons!

Or could this potentially be in store for the 'modular' Mac Pro? Not sure what kind of heat is generated but it might need a larger thermal envelope than iMac's design with 18 cores kicking! Slick processor though!!!
 



Intel today said one of its eighth-generation "Coffee Lake" processors delivered more than a 30 percent performance boost over an equivalent seventh-generation "Kaby Lake" processor in recent testing. Both generations of chips are suitable for Apple notebooks, such as the 12-inch MacBook and MacBook Pro.

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"We will have more to say about the 8th Gen Intel Core processor in the future but it's exciting to share that in the latest testing, we're seeing a performance improvement of more than 30 percent over the 7th Gen Intel Core processor," said Gregory Bryant, a senior executive at Intel.

Using the benchmark tool SYSmark 2014 v1.5 on Windows 10, Intel compared an unreleased Core i7 quad-core processor with an unspecified base clock speed, and Turbo Boost up to 4GHz, against its Core i7-7500U dual-core processor with a base clock speed of 2.7GHz and Turbo Boost up to 3.5GHz.

Both are 15W chips, creating the possibility of a quad-core 13-inch MacBook Pro with Coffee Lake in the future.

Intel aims to make its Coffee Lake lineup available to computer makers in the second half of this year, and the eighth-generation processors should provide the usual benefits of faster performance and longer battery life in future Macs.

Apple has yet to update its Mac lineup with Kaby Lake processors in the first place, but the company reportedly plans to announce new 12-inch MacBook and MacBook Pro models equipped with the seventh-generation chips at its annual Worldwide Developers Conference next week.

It's still too early to say when we'll see the first Mac with Coffee Lake, but it likely won't be until at least late 2017 or early 2018 given Intel's roadmap.

Earlier this year, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said Apple plans to launch a nondescript "15-inch MacBook" with 32GB of desktop-class RAM. He said the notebook will enter mass production in the early September quarter, but it's uncertain if Coffee Lake processors will be readily available by then.

Intel today also unveiled its Core X-series processor family for desktop computers, ranging from quad-core options to the high-end Core i9 Extreme Edition with 18 cores. The processors, codenamed "Basin Falls," are "coming soon." More details and tech specs are listed in this fact sheet and slideshow.

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Apple has promised to release a high-end iMac for professional users later this year, and Intel's new Core X-series processors appear to be appropriate for the desktop computer if the company wishes to use them. However, a rumor points towards Apple using Intel's Xeon E3 processors for at least some of the new iMacs.

Apple's current Mac lineup uses a mix of Intel's older Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake, and Ivy Bridge processors. Coffee Lake will be an iteration of Kaby Lake, based on a 14nm process, and it's not to be confused with Intel's upcoming "Cannonlake" processors based on an all-new 10nm process.

Article Link: Intel's Upcoming Coffee Lake Processors Up to 30% Faster Than Kaby Lake Chips Coming to Mac Notebooks
[doublepost=1496160161][/doublepost]I'm still using mid 2015 15" with 2.8 Ghz i7,1 tb HD and ****ing love it .Not planing to upgrade it to this new touch bar jokes
 
Im gonna laugh when Apple releases the new MacBooks and MacBookPros next week wih these chips. Then Im going to go pick one up and turn in my 2016 model.
 
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Really what this means is all of you who have been waiting for the latest Apple MacBook will have to wait some more.

Also when is the new thread going to start, "Should I wait for the next MacBook?"

I believe that is a permanently running thread now
 
Non Glossy iMac or iMac with top specs but small display .. please?

A small display? I’m curious, why would you want a small display? A laptop would suffice. Us desk jockeys can’t seem to get enough screen real estate without pairing monitors.
 
So does this mean we could see quad-core 13" MacBook Pros and six or eight core iMac Pros? Because that would be incredible. I've been waiting to get a new iMac so I can get a serious processor upgrade.

With how they're designed right now? Doubt it. The iMac's thermal throttle with the current chipset. They'll need a redesign in the chastity and fan to handle a more powerful CPU. Same thing goes with the 13".
 
So... we're talking year 2021 right? They will also add two vertical touchbars, and the cost will be $6,599 for the 13" model...
 
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The latest Intel Core i7 mobile processor is the 7920HQ. Which Intel Core i7 does the latest MacBook Pro use? So there. I was right and you're wrong. End of story.

They use the latest CPUs that were available in October 2016, when these MacBooks were released. The 7920HQ was announced around 2 months later and did not really became available in bulk before much later I believe? The XPS with 7770HQ didn't really ship in large numbers until what, March? So yeah, if Apple updates to Kaby Lake in early June, they won't be too late for the party, given the constrained initial supply.
 
Same here, I would love to see it and it'd get rid of the conflict between the 13" and 15" for me. And I don't think it would be bad for the 15" because that will still have the larger screen, and more powerful CPU/GPU.

I think the reasoning was that to offer 32GB, they would have to use RAM that consumes more power and is usually used in desktops. I believe the underlying issue is LP RAM support in Intel processors.

So it depends on Intels support, and what they can fit on the logic board. I think that's probably more of a problem with storage - I would also like to see over 1TB on the 13". Currently the 15W chips have a 16GB RAM limit andI don't know if that will change with Coffee Lake. We may have to wait another year for that.
I could definitely wait another year for the 13" MacBook Pro. Maybe by then it will also get a 1TB SSD and at a lower price point. But I usually carry around a little 4TB Raid 0 drive with my Lightroom catalog anyway. I've been wanting to pick up a 2TB external SSD that is a lot faster and more reliable, and then keep only my last 18-24 months in my catalog and archive everything else. But they're still so expensive! I'm also planning on upgrading to a much higher MP camera in the coming year, so that's going to make my file sizes skyrocket—especially since I'm looking at Sony mirrorless and they don't have true 14-bit compressed RAW. So any MBP I get will need to be able to handle processing a lot of large RAW files and possibly 4K60p video. I'm just not sure how much of the bottleneck I see on my current machine is from using a slower external drive vs. the system itself. Guess I need to do some tests!
 
They use the latest CPUs that were available in October 2016, when these MacBooks were released. The 7920HQ was announced around 2 months later and did not really became available in bulk before much later I believe? The XPS with 7770HQ didn't really ship in large numbers until what, March? So yeah, if Apple updates to Kaby Lake in early June, they won't be too late for the party, given the constrained initial supply.

It still doesn't negate the fact that the latest MacBook Pro is "outdated" and the yet-to-be-introduced MacBook Pro will have been as well.
 
I think you're misreading me. I don't believe for a second that in general use the processors are 30% faster. I DO believe that in specific cases it is 30%+ faster, however.

Why not? I mean, if talking about specific cases Intel could claim that Haswell were 100% faster than Ivy Bridge (which they never did). The benchmark they used is a general-purpose one. If they have implemented some new funky caching scheme + increased resources for speculative execution, 30% is not impossible.

Or, a more realistic explanation — they were probably testing multi-threaded code with a quad-core vs. a dual-core. Maybe they just found a way how to cool these things better and reach higher clocks even in a constrained TDP design.
 
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