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Re: The only reason I keep using IE...

Originally posted by jtrascap
I gotta say first, I love Mozilla. I love the speed of Mozilla (especially on ./) I probably have to reset my preferences twice a week to go back to Mozilla from IE...and then I set it back.

I run on an iBook, 12" screen, and I love SlashDock...runs in the dock, let's me know when to run to ./, CNN, etc... but when one selects an article to read, IE loads it in the frontmost window and Mozilla creates a new window. This creates a huge amount of clutter on the smaller iBook screen.

This is the single-most annoying aspect of using Mozilla on the Mac. The economy of screen estate is wasted on Mozilla (this also points to another Moz-Mac shortcoming - no hotkey for minimal window gadgets, like they do on the PC (f9) or the CMD-B switch on IE - I guess all Moz designers work on 21" monitors!)

Give me 1) the ability to direct URLS into the existing frontmost window or a background tab, and 2) a cmd-key to hide any/all of the toolbar/options for the browsers.

Then you'll kill IE for nearly all users!
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Hit F11 whilst browsing in Mozilla to maximize and remove all superfluous chrome. It's nice if you're hurting for screen real-estate. (I'm not 100% sure this works on the Mac, haven't tried it there... but it does work on the PC).

As for opening two browsers when a link is clicked... Some apps don't seem to obey the browser preference in Internet Preferences... don't know why except for maybe bad programming. Write to the author!
 
Originally posted by kainjow
Have you guys downloaded the latest version of Netscape (7 I think)? It's a lot faster then 6. But....I'm going to be hanging out with IE for a while now unless Mozilla/OmniWeb/Chimera come out with a complete browser. But, IE really is the best I think. Yeah, it's buggy, but, it just feels right. I hate switching to new browsers because they don't know what they're doing to my webpages! Mozilla/Netscape still take minutes to load the app, and just creating a new window takes like 5 minutes. If Mozilla cut out Composer and the built-in mail app, it could load soo much quicker, and be soo much faster (also take out the built-in AIM client). If they did that, I'd most likely be a Mozilla user, but...that will probably never happen. So I'll be IE user and I can't wait til 6 comes out! Man, if they make IE look like Office (X version), it will be killer browser.
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What the hell are you talking about?
  • Mozilla is a complete browser.
  • If Mozilla can't render your webpages, it's because YOU don't know what you're doing when you design them.
  • Mozilla does not take 5 minutes to open a new window.
  • There is no AIM client in Mozilla (Netscape adds this).

Next time, try actually using the product before you go ahead and knock it.
 
I have to say I am VERY impressed with Moz. v.1.1a, it's very fast and stable. Only thing I have a problem with is the whole opening a new window thing, even though it CAN be helpful at times...but annoying at others (Like when using Slashdock 🙂 ) and they really really have to improve the d/l thing, it should be like *gulp* IE 5, I think that's the best way for downloading, just a big list...etc etc. But IE is too Microsoft for me, and Mozilla is so good now that I don't think I will go back. I actually like Chimera more in ways, because I don't like the fact the in Mozilla it has it's own email and all that, I just want a web browser, nothing extra. So that's where Chimera comes in, I haven't d/la nightly build in some time, so I think I'm gonna go do that 😀
BTW - If you ahve Mozilla get the theme/skin called "Pinball" It's kickas$
 
Originally posted by shadowfax0
I have to say I am VERY impressed with Moz. v.1.1a

-=snip=-

they really really have to improve the d/l thing, it should be like *gulp* IE 5, I think that's the best way for downloading, just a big list...etc etc.
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shadowfax0, since you're using 1.1a, go under preferences, select Navigator->Downloads->Use Download Manager (or something such)... et voila, IE5-esque download manager... =)
 
Are you asking if Mozilla has tabbed browsing?? Or are you being facetious? I'm hoping you know about the " Open tabs instead of windows for ... middle-click or ctrl-click (cmd-click) of links in a Web page" option under Prefs->Navigator->Tabbed Browsing

Don't make me hurt you... 😉
 
Mozilla / Chimera changed the way we browse

The tabbed browsing takes new meaning for web bowsing.. this feature is so good, with background loading of pages.. This is how i browse the websites. I go to MacRumors main pages, CMD+Click on all the interested threads, it loads one by one in a new tab in the back ground, then finally move to one tab at time, read all at once. No going back and forth . I hardly use back button these days..i open everything in another tab.. dont leave the main page at all. its all in one window with different tabs.. it saves me a lot of time.. i do this with MacSurfer too.. best way to go through a list of links 🙂
 
Re: Re: The only reason I keep using IE...

Originally posted by eunuchs
Hit F11 whilst browsing in Mozilla to maximize and remove all superfluous chrome. It's nice if you're hurting for screen real-estate. (I'm not 100% sure this works on the Mac, haven't tried it there... but it does work on the PC).
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Ja - It doesn't work. I was wrong about the F9 key - that's to make the Sidebar open and close (unknown from the menu) but F11 does nothing on the Mac.

Shoot - if I could just set my own keys for menu items... (hint, hint, hint)


As for opening two browsers when a link is clicked... Some apps don't seem to obey the browser preference in Internet Preferences... don't know why except for maybe bad programming. Write to the author!
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I've added it to the Mozilla wishlist, but that was months ago, back at .91. I'm wondering about this, as if it's a system thing - I have to see if this happens with Chimera. Does this happen with Omniweb or Opera? Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?
 
Originally posted by verbose101
I would like IE to have the ability to stop popups ( JavaScript:window.open() ) like OmniWeb and Mozilla without having to disable JavaScript all together.
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'Whow. Thanks for the hint. How is that done in Mozilla?
 
Originally posted by crush7


'Whow. Thanks for the hint. How is that done in Mozilla?
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Just have a look in the the Mozilla preferences, its in there somewhere, I can't remeber where exactly and I'm not at home with my Mac to check, but it's not hard to find.
 
"zilla" confusion

Mozilla, Chimera, Netscape. I have all 3 plus Omniweb and IE, and am totally confused at this point. Of the 3 "zilla" derivatives, can anyone explain why one versus the other two?
 
Re: "zilla" confusion

All the 'zillas use Gecko as their rendering engine. Gecko is a very fast, very accurate rendering engine and is really the reason any Moz has a chance of acceptance.

After that, the comparison breaks down like this:

Chimera = Gecko + Cocoa front-end
Only the renderer is Moz-based, the rest is native OS X

Mozilla = Gecko + XUL + OS-workability
To make Mozilla as cross-platform as possible, the entire Moz UI is custom - afaik, it uses virtually no platform-specific widgets. (I think there are exceptions, but they break cross-platform compatibility - witness the Aqua/Pinstripe theme). The problem is that this makes Moz a little sluggish... But then again, the developers of Mozilla see it as a platform for other applications, not a product... The tendency of Moz developers to throw in the kitchen sink is what has led to projects like Galeon and Chimera.

Netscape 6/7 = Mozilla + crap
Since a large proportion of Mozilla developers are actually in the employ of AOL/Netscape... it stands to reason that Netscape would like to benefit from the fruits of their labour... so every once in a while, Netscape branches from the Mozilla trunk, cleans up some stuff (most notably, they removed the checkbox for disabling Javascript pop-ups - though you can still enable this by hacking the prefs file) and throws in junk like the AOL IM client.

There you have it... a quick and dirty comparison...
 
Still stickin with IE

I love tabbed browsing and the speed, but that's about it.

IE's bookmarking and orgainizing of bookmarks to me is much more elegant. The sidebar that slides out on the left is very straightforward.

The skinny little bar on the left bugs me in mozilla. As well, I'd like to drag whole folders up to the area above the tabs (where bookmarks resides). Can that be done? In IE it is so simple. Drag folders or links from anywhere to the area.

One site I built is semi-liquid. Kind of like apple. The menu bar stretches left and right to fill the screen. My little spin was that instead of centered, the left stretch is 33%, and the right stretch is 66%. IE 5 for mac is the ONLY browser that displays that correctly. IE for PC does not. So I give IE credit for displaying my pages AS DESIGNED.

Most of mozilla still looks and feels like OS9 to me too. Especially pop-up menus and right clicks (ctrl clicks for those of you without a 2 button mouse yet).

Speed is a negligible issue for me since I'm on fiber optic dsl, but I'd like to see tabbed browsing in IE.

my .02
 
Originally posted by chibianh
IE 5.2 is released...
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What lead you to post this? Where did you see/get it? Should an IE update not be provided though software update anyway?

Microsoft have never posted an IE for OS X on their website. Any deviation from the software update method might be seen as Apple starting not to endorse IE!

Alex.
 
Originally posted by kainjow
Have you guys downloaded the latest version of Netscape (7 I think)? It's a lot faster then 6. But....I'm going to be hanging out with IE for a while now unless Mozilla/OmniWeb/Chimera come out with a complete browser. But, IE really is the best I think. Yeah, it's buggy, but, it just feels right. I hate switching to new browsers because they don't know what they're doing to my webpages! Mozilla/Netscape still take minutes to load the app, and just creating a new window takes like 5 minutes. If Mozilla cut out Composer and the built-in mail app, it could load soo much quicker, and be soo much faster (also take out the built-in AIM client). If they did that, I'd most likely be a Mozilla user, but...that will probably never happen. So I'll be IE user and I can't wait til 6 comes out! Man, if they make IE look like Office (X version), it will be killer browser.
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Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it...

IE 6 on the PC is the most crash-prone, unstable, sluggish version of IE yet released for the PC. It truly is terrible. It also has some internal issues that break some previous features, and none of this is documented.

I dispise IE 6 on the PC, and I use 5.01 whenever I can, or at the most, 5.5SP2 (which I'm not real fond of either, but it's better than 6).

The last really _good_ performing version of IE on the PC was 5.01 on Windows 2000.

TL
 
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