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Intuit Releases Lion-Compatible Quicken 2007 for Mac

Did Intuit really just do this?

I do not know of any other company of any kind that has repeatedly exhibited such distain for a customer segment.

If they do not wish to service Mac users, then just back out gracefully... It is like they are playing some kind of bizarre game!

Is there is more here than meets the eye or has Intuit gone completely mad?
 
goosnarrggh said:
The assertion was that Apple did it FIRST. And that's just not true: a fully 64-bit operating system was released by Microsoft in late 2001; Apple reached an approximately equivalent milestone in 2007.
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That wasn't my assertion. Apple rarely does anything "first." However, for Microsoft, 64-bit Windows was largely a useless technical exercise back in 2001. 64-bit applications first became prevalent on OS X, mostly because few people purchased 64-bit XP or 64-bit Vista.

My point is that by not making backward compatibility paramount the way Microsoft does, Apple is able to develop their OS more quickly, which is true. There's a reason XP 64-bit didn't take off, and that's because it required compatibility breaks, not just with existing Windows software but also with existing Windows hardware (since 64-bit Windows required all new device drivers).

So, just as with tablets, Microsoft was stuck with a technological advantage it couldn't use. That really is no advantage at all.
 
segfaultdotorg said:
I have completely given up on Intuit ever releasing a decent version of Quicken for the Mac, and I still use the Windows version of Quicken in a Windows XP VM on VirtualBox.

The only irritating thing about that is that you have to upgrade to a new version every three years in order to maintain compatibility with online banking. So I had to upgrade to 2012 recently and many of the new "features" are annoying.
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I am in a similar situation. Quicken 2009 "expires" in a month and I am debating whether I still want to upgrade to 2012 on windows, use Mint.com exclusively, or some other program on the Mac. With all the third party programs on the Mac that I have tried I have yet to find one that connects to "enough" of my accounts online. The issue with Mint.com is that I have years of data I would like to retain.

I was really hoping Intuit would release a full 2012 Mac version in time.
 
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+1 to too little too late

Happily using MoneyWorks for about the past year after feeing abandoned by MYOB - Quicken missed the opportunity to be the alternative back then. This ship has sailed.
 
I know people like to (deservedly) attack Quicken for their update schedule, but what frightens me most about this is the fact that Quicken will once again become the functional leader.

Sounds strange, I know, but I have not found a single alternative that handles my financial interests as well as Quicken. Sure, many of them are more "Mac Like" and have cool features, but when it comes to the basics Quicken just works. It may not be pretty, but it works.

Surely this is why everyone is so ticked ticked off with Intuit. If we did not have this love-hate relationship, and want to use quicken, no one would care about this update. As it is, deep down we know quicken has us by the . . . .

Having said that, I would be interested to hear which alternatives out there are as feature rich and functional as Quicken. I have tried a lot, but not all and not since I tried Quicken Essentials as a stop-gap.
 
azentropy said:
I am in a similar situation. Quicken 2009 "expires" in a month and I am debating whether I still want to upgrade to 2012 on windows, use Mint.com exclusively, or some other program on the Mac.
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If you use the preprogrammed monthly bills and the list of those bills on the home screen, I can tell you that those are much less functional on the 2012 version, as there aren't separate buttons for "enter" and "edit." Quicken is the most powerful program available, but I wish they would quit changing things just for change's sake.
 
The best way bar none to track your investments is to build your own spreadsheet. Has a lot of upfront time to build it but if you have the know how and run the right ground work, it will become a highly customized highly automatic window to your financial life
 
azentropy said:
I am in a similar situation. Quicken 2009 "expires" in a month and I am debating whether I still want to upgrade to 2012 on windows, use Mint.com exclusively, or some other program on the Mac. With all the third party programs on the Mac that I have tried I have yet to find one that connects to "enough" of my accounts online. The issue with Mint.com is that I have years of data I would like to retain.

I was really hoping Intuit would release a full 2012 Mac version in time.
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Quicken is the only reason I kept my old Windows XP machine running. Now both of my Macs have W7 on them, initially for Quicken but also for Office 2010 and PS CS5.

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM + Quicken 2012 runs about $140.
 
Are any of the other options out there offering both direct connect, auto reconciliation and online bill pay? For me this are the biggest assets to Quicken 2007. I'm not interested in multiple steps to do this or to go back to writing checks or manually entering them into bank websites.

From my research, this also seems to be the missing link with all of the other alternatives.
 
KPOM said:
That wasn't my assertion. Apple rarely does anything "first."
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Granted, you did not use the word "first".

Your exact assertion was "Windows also took longer to adopt 64-bit architecture". That statement was false for the above stated reasons.

My point is that by not making backward compatibility paramount the way Microsoft does, Apple is able to develop their OS more quickly...
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LOL! The first 64-bit CPUs appeared in Apple machines in 2003. The first version of Mac OS X to allow 64-bit GUI applications was released in 2007. Talk about developing their OS quickly!
 
goosnarrggh said:
Granted, you did not use the word "first".

Your exact assertion was "Windows also took longer to adopt 64-bit architecture". That statement was false for the above stated reasons.
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That statement was true because 64-bit Windows applications did not become readily available until 2010, 9 years after they first made 64-bit versions available. Even today, Office 2010 (the flagship Microsoft Windows application) is offered primarily in 32-bit form. Microsoft makes a 64-bit version available, but recommends that most people not install it.

So again, it has taken longer for Windows to adopt a 64-bit architecture. Sure, it has long had a 64-bit version, but if no one could use it, what good was it?


goosnarrggh said:
LOL! The first 64-bit CPUs appeared in Apple machines in 2003. The first version of Mac OS X to allow 64-bit GUI applications was released in 2007. Talk about developing their OS quickly!
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In the meantime, Apple switched CPU architectures in 2006, the first of which were 32-bit. OS X 10.4 and 10.3 had 64-bit elements but they had to step back with 10.5 to run on the 32-bit Core Duo. Even so, 10.6 shipped with internal 64-bit applications and 64-bit Cocoa apps started appearing quickly afterward.

Getting back to Quicken, Intuit knew since 2006 that Cocoa was the way forward, and they also knew that eventually Rosetta would be dropped. For whatever reason, they concentrated their efforts on making it look pretty rather than making it work, leading to Quicken Essentials. Porting code to make Quicken 2007 run on Lion/Mountain Lion sounds more like a hack job than the effort of a large software company like Intuit.
 
Quicken is a perfect example of a company that once had a good product, decided it was good enough, and then concentrated making you pay for upgrades that offered nothing new. Meanwhile, they worked with the banks to make the old versions unsupported.They have a Microsoft attitude now.

I use iBank after 20 years of Quicken. iBank isn't bad, has a great feature of syncing with transactions added through mobile software. It isn't perfect, though.

This type of software is losing relevance, as it is so quick to check a site from a mobile device. Planning payments and the ability to look ahead is still very important, though!
 
This is like reading an "add-on" to an old obituary. Quicken 2007 is a dead program. It does not matter that they have somehow modified this old software architecture to work with Lion... it is still an obsolete design. Why Intuit cannot get their act together to generate a modern, Intel based, robust, fully-featured personal finance program for the Macintosh market is beyond anyone's imagination. But that is the way it is.

Folks, just keep moving on. Don't get distracted by Intuit's latest attempt to extract money from your wallet without providing any value in return. Try any of the popular alternative programs that are designed for the real world: iBank, See Finance, MoneyDance, Money, iFinance, Fortora, MoneyWell, Liquid Ledger, etc. You'll get good value and be supporting software developers who actually care about the quality of their product and their tech support.
 
sladey said:
I searched for a long time for ANYTHING for the Mac that would replace MS Money for Windows.

Then I realised that a lot of these programs, Mint, Moneydance, etc. are OK at RECORD-KEEPING. But NONE are helpful to me getting ahead and staying on top of my spending...

Further, downloading transaction info from my Bank as my default input method only reinforces a lack of control over what we spend. If we can't be bothered entering our own information, we have TOO MANY purchases. We are out of control.

So I switched to YNAB. It's a refreshing and DIFFERENT approach to money/budget management. Take my word for it: if you want to take control of your finances, try the YNAB system.

Look forwards not backwards!

PS. I'm not an employee of YNAB - just love their product.
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+1,000,000

YNAB is fantastic for planning and living to a budget.
 
Who cares what the name is? If they had released the software with exactly the same functionality but called it "Quicken 3000", would that have been any better?

I don't care about bloatware, I don't want to Twitt or post FaceBook updates from my financial software. I'm still using Quicken 2005 so I'm happy that I can upgrade and I use whatever Mac OS I want to use and Quicken won't be a limiting factor.
 
Too late

Too late, Intuit. You lose. Game over. Nice try.

Personally, I recommend MoneyDance, because it supports direct connections to banks, downloading and uploading, but there are far too many other choices now to screw around with anything Intuit offers.
 
cvaldes said:
For example, Mint just displays "Paycheck" for my salary. In Quicken, I have a recurring salary transaction that breaks down all the various taxes and deductions (including 401k, insurance payments, etc.).

I don't have a mortgage right now, although I think the same superiority of Quicken emerges there as well. You have a nice amortization table in Quicken and you can categorize things if you have an escrow account for property taxes, etc.
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So Mint doesn't handle split transactions? That's pretty basic stuff. I was doing that in a spreadsheet before I started using Quicken in 1990.

If I go to a wholesale club I buy groceries, household items, pet supplies and health items. I itemize all that out. Toilet paper doesn't go under groceries!
 
Intuit CEO on Apple Board

It's pretty amazing that Intuit hasn't upgraded Quicken for the Mac or made a version that works with the iPad, considering that their former CEO and current Chair tBill Campbell is on the Apple Board of Directors.
 
What a terrible product name. This is why versioning your software with a year is an awful idea. "Download 5 year old software, finally compatible with a modern OS!"
 
flybius said:
I do not know of any other company of any kind that has repeatedly exhibited such distain for a customer segment.

If they do not wish to service Mac users, then just back out gracefully... It is like they are playing some kind of bizarre game!

Is there is more here than meets the eye or has Intuit gone completely mad?
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Intuit has always been a lousy company, at least as far as their Mac offerings are concerned. The problem is, nobody has stepped up to the plate to address this void in the Mac software market. Seems nobody really wants to admit that this is true. Sorry, but it is. None of the alternatives completely cut it. Maybe some day, but not now.

I'm sure I'll get slammed with down-rates again for saying so, but the dilemma we face is at least in part Apple's fault. Even if another company sold a complete and solid replacement for Quicken, it would still be an expense to replace Quicken, in dollars and in learning curve. I'm sure I am not alone in not feeling the need to have a new version of any app every year, or even every five years, just for a new version's sake. In fact I am still using Quicken 2005, with no problems. I may not like it very much, but it does everything I need. But since it was broken with Lion, I had to weigh my alternatives and decided to skip Lion (which has also prevented me from moving from MobileMe to iCloud). Maybe that's the outcome that Apple wanted, but I doubt it. Lots of people found themselves in the same place.

I'll go to the mat to defend Apple when they are criticized unfairly, but I won't fabricate silly defenses of mistakes they could have avoided. The deletion of Rosetta was a mistake. Clearly. It forced Mac users, especially longtime users, into having to select between bad choices.
 
quicken for lion problems

I am one of those with quicken 2007 waiting for a lion compatible system for my snow leopard mac. In reading of its release today on your web site, I went on the quicken site and read the forums relative to this subject. It reads like a complete disaster. Crashes and loss of data are common in the complaints.
Quicken's response is that they are looking into it.
I suggest you review it and see what the problems are for your readers.
 
Here's the thing - if they were making money on Quicken for Mac they would have a 2012 version out right now. TurboTax for iPad is a fantastic piece of software that has a 2010 and 2011 version. Mint's iPhone app is great as well.

Intuit focuses on what makes it more profitable. Quicken on Mac (at this point) does not.

Of course, 2007 was a different world for Mac software than today. A 2012 version might get more people now than in 2007.
 
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