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Huh ? How is he asking Apple to raise the price ?

Because that's what share buybacks do. Reduction in number of shares outstanding at presumably the same demand = higher price per share. And since he's publicly announced his intention to agitate for big share buybacks, next saying he'll meet with Cook to discuss the magnitude could cause investors to pile into Apple ahead of that payday.
 
Because that's what share buybacks do. Reduction in number of shares outstanding at presumably the same demand = higher price per share. And since he's publicly announced his intention to agitate for big share buybacks, next saying he'll meet with Cook to discuss the magnitude could cause investors to pile into Apple ahead of that payday.

It has nothing to do with supply and demand. Reducing the number of shares outstanding raises the EPS.

A 0.5% holding in AAPL may get you dinner with Tim Cook, but it doesn't give you any leverage.
 
"Icahn's desire for Apple to increase its share buyback." Share buyback => raised price. Either he wants to make a quick buck by selling soon, as some have said here, or he genuinely thinks that Apple is undervalued and can prosper long-term.

I had no idea what his plan was, but now that he's talking with Tim Cook to buy back shares, I'm getting suspicious.

Based on past history, it's always pump and dump. I don't know of any company that benefited in the long run from his investments.
 
Because that's what share buybacks do. Reduction in number of shares outstanding at presumably the same demand = higher price per share. And since he's publicly announced his intention to agitate for big share buybacks, next saying he'll meet with Cook to discuss the magnitude could cause investors to pile into Apple ahead of that payday.

Whether you believe it's a conspiracy or a money grab, share buyback is exactly what Apple should do to increase value for shareholders. The stock is currently undervalued and any company would be wise to buy back its own stock when they can on the cheap (and have billions in cash lying around).
 
I'm sure Cook would have dinner with any large stockholder. I hope he tells Carl to go **** himself. As it is, Tim can't provide him any information we don't have but will listen to Icahn. As said, Icahn is no friend of Apple or us shareholders. He's also not even that large an investor relative to other larger holders.

I'm sure all he wants is for Apple to buy back more shares and give back more to shareholders while taking on more debt. I'm also sure Apple will not alter any plans they have for share buybacks and increased dividends because Icahn wants it.
 
Insider trading

Agreed. Tim Cook should not be having dinner with any investor. I'm sorry but that just reeks of insider trading information. In fact, it shouldn't be allowed.

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I'm sure Cook would have dinner with any large stockholder. I hope he tells Carl to go **** himself. As it is, Tim can't provide him any information we don't have but will listen to Icahn. As said, Icahn is no friend of Apple or us shareholders. He's also not even that large an investor relative to other larger holders.

I'm sure all he wants is for Apple to buy back more shares and give back more to shareholders while taking on more debt. I'm also sure Apple will not alter any plans they have for share buybacks and increased dividends because Icahn wants it.

Any discussion is information that others don't have...which is insider information. He shouldn't be meeting with him or even having a phone call with him.
 
Agreed. Tim Cook should not be having dinner with any investor. I'm sorry but that just reeks of insider trading information. In fact, it shouldn't be allowed.

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Any discussion is information that others don't have...which is insider information. He shouldn't be meeting with him or even having a phone call with him.

Careful, you're on your way to the Dark Side of conspiracy theorists. Only a sith deals in absolutes.
 
I'm sure Cook would have dinner with any large stockholder. I hope he tells Carl to go **** himself. As it is, Tim can't provide him any information we don't have but will listen to Icahn. As said, Icahn is no friend of Apple or us shareholders. He's also not even that large an investor relative to other larger holders.

I'm sure all he wants is for Apple to buy back more shares and give back more to shareholders while taking on more debt. I'm also sure Apple will not alter any plans they have for share buybacks and increased dividends because Icahn wants it.

I hope he tells Carl- thanks for your investment. Let it be known, you are NOT welcome to micromanage this company. If you're not comfortable with that... please keep your $.
 
I guess I'll just have to say it.. It would have been a cold day in hell when Steve Jobs would ever have dinner with a pirate raider investor like Carl Icahn. I can just imagine the conversation. ' Now Tim, I don't like the direction you're taking The Company and here is what my expectations are. If its not to my satisfaction, we will buy a majority of shares and bounce you out with a hostile takeover attempt' . This guy is poison and the Board of Directors and general stockholders will find out soon enough his intentions.
 
Agreed. Tim Cook should not be having dinner with any investor. I'm sorry but that just reeks of insider trading information. In fact, it shouldn't be allowed.

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Any discussion is information that others don't have...which is insider information. He shouldn't be meeting with him or even having a phone call with him.

By that logic any employee or board member of a corporation can't hold stock, because they all have insider information. Sorry, but your logic is grossly flawed.
 
I hope he tells Carl- thanks for your investment. Let it be known, you are NOT welcome to micromanage this company. If you're not comfortable with that... please keep your $.

I hope that's essentially what Tim Cook tells him. It does feel like Icahn is giving unsolicited and overbearing 'advice'.
 
Agreed. Tim Cook should not be having dinner with any investor. I'm sorry but that just reeks of insider trading information. In fact, it shouldn't be allowed.

In fact, since everyone that has had or will have dinner with Tim Cook is either 1) An AAPL Shareholder or 2) a potential future AAPL shareholder (that goes for shorts), he should not be allowed to have dinner with anyone ever again.
 
I guess I'll just have to say it.. It would have been a cold day in hell when Steve Jobs would ever have dinner with a pirate raider investor like Carl Icahn. I can just imagine the conversation. ' Now Tim, I don't like the direction you're taking The Company and here is what my expectations are. If its not to my satisfaction, we will buy a majority of shares and bounce you out with a hostile takeover attempt' . This guy is poison and the Board of Directors and general stockholders will find out soon enough his intentions.

You should not have said it, because it sounds perfectly ridiculous.
 
Regardless of Ichans proposed buyback I'm pretty confident that a large share buyback will happen.
And Ichan shouldn't be given any credit for that 'plan', when it happens.
 
You realize, I hope, that Icahn is speaking publicly like this to try to force Apple to increase the buyback.

He is not a friend to Apple. Icahn has purchased a billion dollars worth of Apple stock. He wants the value of that stock to increase by some significant percentage (20%, 50%) very quickly, so he can sell it and make a buck. If things don't go his way, he'll do anything to Apple to force the issue. That's how he operates. He's not about creating long-term value or companies that are healthy over the long term.

By publicly creating the hope and expectation of a bigger buyback, he increases pressure on Apple to make a bigger buyback, whether or not that's fundamentally good for the company. Icahn creates the possibility of shareholder discontent in the absence of an increased buyback.

I'm sure no one would have accused him if he initiate his influence on the price of AAPL stock before he starts buying 1 billion of the AAPL stock.

Neither would anyone accuse him if he initiates his influence several years after he had bought and held that 1 billion dollars of stock.

Putting up all of the pressures immediately after buying the stock? His intention of making fast money is SO OBVIOUS, and he is SO EAGER to DUMP these stocks after he gets the target price via these off-the-stock-exchange methods.
 
By buying shares back, the value of current shares is bound to increase (supply and demand). So by making the buyback program bigger, he expects share prices to raise above the price he initial paid.

In essence, share price manipulation.

Nothing to do with "supply and demand." See above.

Not share price manipulation, in essence or otherwise.
 
By buying shares back, the value of current shares is bound to increase (supply and demand). So by making the buyback program bigger, he expects share prices to raise above the price he initial paid.

In essence, share price manipulation.

So he wants to be able to sell the stock for more than he paid? What a scumbag!
 
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Agreed. Tim Cook should not be having dinner with any investor. I'm sorry but that just reeks of insider trading information. In fact, it shouldn't be allowed.

Any investor = anyone with enough money to potentially buy or short one AAPL share... or even other stocks that are related to AAPL indirectly. Sure Tim Cook could avoid meeting anyone if you want to be careful.
 
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