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Whether you believe it's a conspiracy or a money grab, share buyback is exactly what Apple should do to increase value for shareholders. The stock is currently undervalued and any company would be wise to buy back its own stock when they can on the cheap (and have billions in cash lying around).

Since Icahn has pumped in, it is better to temporarily reduce the buy back, and wait till he finishes with his dump operation, which is never longer than 3 months, then increase the buy back to get the lowest buyback price possible.
 

Are you referring to the intraday spike upwards?

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So he wants to be able to sell the stock for more than he paid? What a scumbag!

Short-term, that is. There's nothing evil about trading short-term (and in fact it is taxed way more), but if you're trying to pump up a stock to make money and let the company fail after, that's not very admirable. Notice that I said "if".
 
Based on past history, it's always pump and dump. I don't know of any company that benefited in the long run from his investments.

I don't either, but that's because I've never heard of him. Either way, I'm playing it safe and selling below $600, judging by his target. I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
 
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Short-term, that is. There's nothing evil about trading short-term (and in fact it is taxed way more), but if you're trying to pump up a stock to make money and let the company fail after, that's not very admirable. Notice that I said "if".

It's actually illegal.
 
I cannot fathom wanting to do these things over dinner. Why eat at these things. That always bugs me.

So they can pretend they are chewing to give them time to come up with an answer or a question! Same as having a drink with someone over a discussion.
 
It looks like a new tweet from Carl just came in

Tim just called. Said shut the hell up. Hurt my feelings. Going to see shrink. Hmm pants feel tight speaking of shrink...
 
Based on past history, it's always pump and dump. I don't know of any company that benefited in the long run from his investments.

It's because you haven't looked. Example A: Dell shareholders.

I'm sure Cook would have dinner with any large stockholder. I hope he tells Carl to go **** himself. As it is, Tim can't provide him any information we don't have but will listen to Icahn. As said, Icahn is no friend of Apple or us shareholders. He's also not even that large an investor relative to other larger holders.

I'd say he's quite a friend to Apple shareholders. Apple is not utilizing its cash - it should be given to its owners (the shareholders) or used for the business. The fact is that they have too much to use and have had more than they can use for years.
 
Dont they kinda resemble each other if dos equis man lost some hair?
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Dinner with Tim Cook

....lo.....outrageous!

A big name (if you remember this billionaire old man from the 80's),
comes along and maneuvers his way into being heard.
Thanks Twitter! Another worthless social soudo tool.

Since when are people like this allowed to gain the ear of a CEO?

Big deal. A billion dollar stock buy. That only leaves me short by about
$999,999,000.00 short of a dinner invite.....haha....

I'll languish in my thousand shares I've been holdin on to for years.... :)

Well, maybe brunch? hehe....
 
I can just imagine the conversation. ' Now Tim, I don't like the direction you're taking The Company and here is what my expectations are. If its not to my satisfaction, we will buy a majority of shares and bounce you out with a hostile takeover attempt'.

Are you aware of AAPL's current market cap? Anyone devising any hostile takeover better have some deeeeep pockets.
 
I hope that's essentially what Tim Cook tells him. It does feel like Icahn is giving unsolicited and overbearing 'advice'.

That's what has me worried! We don't know Tim's "bullyability" factor yet. We all know You couldn't make Steve do a DAMN he didn't want to. I hope Tim walks that same line.
 
True, but you should Apple decide the amount of buyback shares, not go have a dinner with the CEO to place an amount to suit your needs. After all, the Board is also compromised of Investors other than Icahn.

Apple ultimately is the one that will decide the size of the buyback. I don't have a problem with Apple getting input from its shareholders. I just disagree with the premise that a 0.2% interest in a company buys you enough influence to strong arm them into doing something that they don't want to do.
 
Buy shares, ask the CEO to raise the price, sell shares. Hmm...
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You realize, I hope, that Icahn is speaking publicly like this to try to force Apple to increase the buyback.

He is not a friend to Apple. Icahn has purchased a billion dollars worth of Apple stock. He wants the value of that stock to increase by some significant percentage (20%, 50%) very quickly, so he can sell it and make a buck. If things don't go his way, he'll do anything to Apple to force the issue. That's how he operates. He's not about creating long-term value or companies that are healthy over the long term.

By publicly creating the hope and expectation of a bigger buyback, he increases pressure on Apple to make a bigger buyback, whether or not that's fundamentally good for the company. Icahn creates the possibility of shareholder discontent in the absence of an increased buyback.
Nothing good can come of this.
Exactly. There's a reason he's renowned as being controversial.

There must be SEC limitations in place here. Shareholders shouldn't have manipulation ability to change stock price in a volatile sense such as this.

Too bad any limitations won't matter.

If the SEC did their job Madoff would never have run a 50 billion dollar ponzi scheme, for over a decade, after being warned repeatedly about it.

The SEC is a joke on wall-street.

Etc etc. You all get the point.

Stock and market manipulation at it's finest.

He wants Apple to increase the buyback so his stake in Apple is worth more. Then he can sell and make more money. Doing this at huge levels like he wants should be illegal.
 
Carl Icahn just tweeted.
He made enough money out of the market and finally he realized money is not everything at his age and he wants live out of this materialist world so he turned himself into a monk :confused:

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Etc etc. You all get the point.

Stock and market manipulation at it's finest.

He wants Apple to increase the buyback so his stake in Apple is worth more. Then he can sell and make more money. Doing this at huge levels like he wants should be illegal.

Once again, the gall of this man, or anyone, trying to profit from an investment!!!

And in your opinion, is 0.2% huge?
 
You realize, I hope, that Icahn is speaking publicly like this to try to force Apple to increase the buyback.

He is not a friend to Apple. Icahn has purchased a billion dollars worth of Apple stock. He wants the value of that stock to increase by some significant percentage (20%, 50%) very quickly, so he can sell it and make a buck. If things don't go his way, he'll do anything to Apple to force the issue. That's how he operates. He's not about creating long-term value or companies that are healthy over the long term.

By publicly creating the hope and expectation of a bigger buyback, he increases pressure on Apple to make a bigger buyback, whether or not that's fundamentally good for the company. Icahn creates the possibility of shareholder discontent in the absence of an increased buyback.

Tim Cook is a disaster waiting to happen, a COO who should have NEVER become a CEO. Now he sits with a single "investor" in order to define a valuation strategy for the company? Pathetic.

I wonder if Mr Icahn (and what a ridiculous surname, dare I say) would have the same chance with SJ - you are right; he wouldn't.
 
It has nothing to do with supply and demand. Reducing the number of shares outstanding raises the EPS.

A 0.5% holding in AAPL may get you dinner with Tim Cook, but it doesn't give you any leverage.

When people buy shares, the share price goes up. When a company buys its own shares, same thing, the share price goes up.
 
Not if you do it right. I suspect that's what happened with Microsoft when a bunch of investors suddenly went wild over it and its doomed-to-fail Surface tablet then all dumped it later on.

What? Investors buy on hopes and sell on fears. That's the way the markets function, fundamentally. If you're going to get your knickers all twisted up over that, then you should stay far, far away from the stock markets.
 
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