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Did anyone else find this part a bit concerning " one study found that 67 percent of over 2,300 teachers surveyed believe that the number of students who are negatively distracted by gadgets in the classroom is growing"

Why are these "gadgets" in the classroom anyways? If its a distraction, make the students keep them in their locker. If schools can have dress codes, surely they can have a smart-device code as well.
 
I think at some level, Apple should get involved. Built in controls from with Family Sharing may be a good place to start. Maybe have timers regarding daily usage, do not disturb remotely administered, etc. It ultimately needs to fall on the shoulders of the parents, but Apple can provide tools to help. I do see it as a major problem though as kids are already failing with social skills on a number of levels.
 
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There's a simple concept to remedy all of this that few people like to accept: personal responsibility.

And if you're a parent, set times for your child to be on their phone. Like TV, video games, etc...

Their idea that Apple needs to do something about this seems a bit silly.
 
I urge parents to do more to protect children from smartphone addiction. Why do people rely on everyone else to make sure that their kids turn out alright?
 
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Simple solution: parents doing their job.

My daughter will use her device all day if we didn’t set limits. So she has limits and her time is occupied with reading and other enriching activities.
 
Go to any kids playground or park and look at the parents heads buried into their smartphones and not playing with their children or pets. Wonder why we have a problem of human to human communication.
I never understood that. Kids are the perfect excuse to get a second chance to be a kid again yourself. I’ve been an evil sorceress, a firefighter, a dragon tamer and a talking pony princess to name but a few characters I got to play. I learned that at age 45 I could still climb up a tube slide and do all of my old flips on monkey bars. Once we even dragged giant stuffed dolphins we bought at IKEA to the park and played out a story based on an episode of The Backyardigans.

One of the moms and I once built a huge snow fort together. It was hilarious, likenan I Love Lucy episode. Our kids are all teenagers now and still drag us into their mischief from time to time. I’m very lucky to know some very engaged parents.

Though I’m not a perfect example myself. My health took a turn and I’m on this forum way more often than I should be.
 
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Those of us who are concerned about overuse of the devices are already managing their use. There are no consortiums or tools that could do any good if parents and guardians don’t use them.

I suppose there might come out of this some tools that will work on kids who sneak usage behind their parent or guardians’ backs. But that’s a different issue right there that no manufacturer can fix.

Honestly the biggest problem I have right now is our middle school requires the kids and parents be connected 24x7. We were all shocked when the administrator was sending out important notifications at 4:00 am fully expecting we would see them before leaving for school. I never used to check school notifications in the morning because the elementary school didn’t send any.

During the holidays the kids were required to answer notifications and check in to take further instruction on holiday homework and report their progress. Ski trips and family gatherings were definitely marred by this. Even my husband’s office largely left us alone.

It’s not an addiction it’s a nightmare. The kids’ favorite feature on their iPhones is the switch that silences the ringer and the Do Not Disturb setting.

I suppose I should be grateful to their school for associating connectivity with homework and endless nagging and surveillance from authority.

At the present time none of them want any part of Snapchat, FB or Instagram. They do like to read comics and ebooks and FaceTime friends, and there’s a group iMessage they check in on to arrange actual face to face gatherings. I actually have to remind everyone to keep track of charging their phones.

Yes... what in the world is up with holiday homework??? And weekend homework??? My husband and I have been really annoyed by this with our daughter. The boys are older and somehow missed this new phenomenon. Seems like it just sprung up last year. Kids are out of school on weekends and on holidays. They do not need homework. It's nice when they have the internet to communicate, but not during time off. My daughter will often have stuff due by midnight on a Friday or midnight on a Sunday. What is that nonsense?

She used to have FB with all messages and emails sent to an email address that I could monitor in case someone sent her weird messenger messages (she didn't use messenger and I was worried about people she did not know, not her friends, because they used text). She has Instagram and her first account was like that. She even showed me her finsta, and by that point, I was cool with it, too. She follows me with both, but she very rarely uses hers... she just likes to browse other people's photos and so forth. She was once active on Pinterest, but she mostly reads it for ideas now, too.

Her main thing is texting with friends, really. I think that being actively involved with your kids is the way to fix this problem. Also, she cannot purchase apps without approval from us. At all. So, the one thing she asked for in the past was Snapchat and that was a flat no. She wasn't happy about it at first, because all her friends had it, but Snapchat had tried to recruit my husband for a director slot a few years ago, and we were not at all happy with the company or their platform, so she wound up respecting our opinion on that app. She's had friends who had real issues using it and I think she's glad now not to have the pressure of having it.

This issue of use isn't an Apple issue. It's a parenting and choice of apps issue.
 
It's not only children. I know plenty of adults that are addicted to their phones. However, I don't think this is Apple's problem. For children, I would say it should be the parents that try to help/prevent it. For adults, put your damn phone down when your having dinner or watching tv with family.

Now what Apple REALLY needs to do is more to prevent people from recording video vertically. I'm all for sending out an electric shock, but I would also be OK with simply disabling video recording unless the phone is held in landscape.
 
Too much of anything is bad. In moderation, phones are not even close to the worst thing in the world.

BTW, "investors" that talk about this kind of stuff are generally not even a blip on the radar and their initiatives will never happen. $2B in AAPL shares is not enough to get anything done, even though it's a lot of money...it's 0.2% of outstanding shares.
 
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Did anyone else find this part a bit concerning " one study found that 67 percent of over 2,300 teachers surveyed believe that the number of students who are negatively distracted by gadgets in the classroom is growing"

Why are these "gadgets" in the classroom anyways? If its a distraction, make the students keep them in their locker. If schools can have dress codes, surely they can have a smart-device code as well.

Because they have made it almost impossible to enforce, and they do not employ the technology to enforce it. There are definitely systems out there that will track every radio emitting device in the building, our children's school has a policy, if a teacher sees them, they are confiscated and returned at the end of the school day, if they see them twice, they are confiscated and a parent has to come retrieve them from the school. And yes parent do get very up in arms about that, not that their kid violated the policy, that the faculty enforced it on their kid. See it is not just parenting, it is a multitude of factors, of which this move by apple is a step, not a fix, not a substitute for parenting, just a step. we are learning how to parent in a digital world by success and failure, life lessons, none of us will get it perfect any more than any parenting challenge. But it is the passive air or harmlessness people attribute to these things that make them dangerous. Coupled with the little to no control over what your child is exposed to unless you lock them in a room and home school them. There is no fix other than generations learning what to do more of and less of just like any new hot thing all the kids want. But the problem is different that take the keys, or unplug the phone, it is too accessible, and too accessible. As a father of three, I can tell you with some kids it is easy, and with some next to impossible, so you cannot "parent it away" with some children either. Any tool is at least one more to use when trying to do the right thing while parenting *that* child....
 
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IMO, there's nothing going on here that hasn't been occurring for a number of years now. Technology always carries with it the capacity to improve relationships and personal growth, or hamper it. I've seen parents play video games with their kids and interact in wonderfully healthy ways. I've also seen Xbox, Playstation, etc. used as virtual babysitters because parents don't want to be 'bothered'. Same thing with videos in the car/minivan. I've seen some parents that throw on a video the second the car starts so that kids don't fuss. As someone who has put a lot of miles in cross country trips over the years, there is definitely a benefit to having something entertaining for the kids when you are 6 or 7 hours into a trip. At the same time, I'm never going to allow some movies to replace some great interaction like singing together, playing 'road games', 20 questions, etc.

This is ultimately on the parents, as they have ALL of the control. The very fact that people would expect Apple to address this just confirms that too many people have forgotten or abdicated their parental obligation. AND, in many cases, if you watch the parents, they are probably just as 'addicted' to their phones/tablets as their kids.
 
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For a company that has such a small share of the total mobile device market and is constantly being reported as being a failure, it is amazing how often the word "Apple" appears in the title of click bait articles. Guess there is no point in asking Samsung or Android to take any action. Then again, maybe the authors of these articles know that only Apple users have the intelligence to read and understand the article.
 
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And what are the parents supposed to do ? Just sit over there and look at the TV casually all day ? If you cannot take the responsibility of raising a kid then stop having a kid.
 
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Because they have made it almost impossible to enforce, and they do not employ the technology to enforce it. There are definitely systems out there that will track every radio emitting device in the building, our children's school has a policy, if a teacher sees them, they are confiscated and returned at the end of the school day, if they see them twice, they are confiscated and a parent has to come retrieve them from the school. And yes parent do get very up in arms about that, not that their kid violated the policy, that the faculty enforced it on their kid. See it is not just parenting, it is a multitude of factors, of which this move by apple is a step, not a fix, not a substitute for parenting, just a step. we are learning how to parent in a digital world by success and failure, life lessons, none of us will get it perfect any more than any parenting challenge. But it is the passive air or harmlessness people attribute to these things that make them dangerous. Coupled with the little to no control over what your child is exposed to unless you lock them in a room and home school them. There is no fix other than generations learning what to do more of and less of just like any new hot thing all the kids want. But the problem is different that take the keys, or unplug the phone, it is too accessible, and too accessible. As a father of three, I can tell you with some kids it is easy, and with some next to impossible, so you cannot "parent it away" with some children either. Any tool is at least one more to use when trying to do the right thing while parenting *that* child....

Well, the reason teachers aren't doing more is that they also want kids to be using phones for schoolwork. At least this is true in high school now.

My daughter also has to haul her laptop to school every day. It's ridiculous. I've never been told I HAD to bring a laptop to a class and I've been working on a PhD for a little while now, so it's not like I've not been to a college class recently.
 
Not Apple's responsibility to raise anyones kids. Besides, does anyone really want to relinquish your parenting responsibilities to a tech company that cant even manufacture quality goods? If you do, you deserve what you get. Besides, i think Timmy-boy already has his hands full with all the fake news.
 
Ultimately, parents responsibility, however tech companies can provide the functionality to help out.



Holiday / weekend home work isn't new. I had this years ago.... but yes, its PITA.

Weird. My sons never really had any and they're 27 and 20. Maybe it's the courses my daughter is taking, but it's weird. I cannot figure out why anyone thinks this is okay. I do not typically have weekend or holiday work that is required for my JOB. Not to say I've never done any work on a weekend or holiday for a project or campaign I'm with, but it's not the norm.
 
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For a company that has such a small share of the total mobile device market and is constantly being reported as being a failure, it is amazing how often the word "Apple" appears in the title of click bait articles. Guess there is no point in asking Samsung or Android to take any action. Then again, maybe the authors of these articles know that only Apple users have the intelligence to read and understand the article.
Certain agencies/groups/people look to Apple as their "surrogate mother" and expect their "surrogate mother" to protect them from things they should be protecting themselves from.
 
Well, the reason teachers aren't doing more is that they also want kids to be using phones for schoolwork. At least this is true in high school now.

My daughter also has to haul her laptop to school every day. It's ridiculous. I've never been told I HAD to bring a laptop to a class and I've been working on a PhD for a little while now, so it's not like I've not been to a college class recently.

Well in college most of the work is done outside of class, so that would make sense. They also generally aren't there to hold your hand, which teachers kind of are in high school. We just went to the computer lab for those kinds of days in high school, but I could see how laptops could make it easier.

I'm curious about your statement saying teachers want kids to use phones though. That makes no sense since you can easily cheat with a phone.
 
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