iOS 10.3 Beta Says 32-Bit Legacy Apps Will Not Work With Future Versions of iOS

[smacrumon]

Agreed on this and your prior related points. This reminds me of programs that display ( for example ) warning messages when a button is clicked indicating that an option isn't available. The right design would be to disable the button( in whatever scenario makes that button click wrong ) so the user can't select it thus avoiding the error message. ( i.e. you don't allow the user to choose an unavailable option )
Apple cut off the developers by removing 32-bit on iOS. I'm not saying that move is wrong but Apple clearly has choices ( for example macOS still supports 32-bit Mac apps almost 10 years after they started recommending Cocoa and 64-bit - they had a choice there too )

Their approach to notifying users about 32-bit apps is inelegant, and as smacrumon noted, takes users to a place where some will be unsure how( or if ) to react.

Thank you! You absolutely get it! +100.
I agree, Apple does have choices here. There's a really great text called 'About Face: The Essentials of Interaction Design'. Worth borrowing from a library sometime if you haven't come across it before. It covers the good and ugly of interfaces exactly as the example you describe.
Have a great weekend, friend!

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If all you've got is your impressions about what he thought about some other things and those lead you to believe he would feel a certain way about this issue, that's still your opinion, not the dead guy's opinion, and you should let it go.

"Based on SPJ patterns of work, Windows-like prompts with a single "OK" button would have been culled at the first alpha."

"It's ugly thoughtless design that gets the user thinking about maintaining their device."

Oh, ok. Thanks for that. I didn't understand that that was your opinion from the other times you already said that.


P.S.: I'm pretty sure this warning dialog is from a Jobs-approved era, when he was alive and could have his own opinions. OK.

So my comment on this is that it's an awkward message, although it seems to be presumably an essential message for device/disk safety. There have been improvements though, in more recent versions of MacOS, this is now a notification, below. The notification reads better, isn't as intrusive and uses the button wording "Close" which makes more sense.

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I do suppose it is important to eject disks properly, BUT, ideally the operating system should be ready at anytime to handle the user removing any "disks" and for it to result in no damage to device or disk. That's where we want to head with the user experience. A lot of the thinking behind some user interactions and experiences are carryovers from the pioneering but outdated methods from the past.
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I bought an app that is not even on the app store anymore. Nevertheless it does what it is supposed to do and I don't care when it's not touched by the developer for the next 10 years if it was done properly when it came out. On the contrary, I really dislike very frequent app updates and constant changes no one asked for.

About the reason why 64 bit windows is able to run 32 bit apps, I think you are completely wrong. In an ecosystem with many more professional tools from third parties than in the Apple ecosystem, the OS vendor cannot afford to behave like a tyrant.

That's interesting. I was under the assumption that all purchased software could be re downloaded anytime from the purchased list in iTunes or in the App Store.

 

[applezulu]

Thank you! You absolutely get it! +100.
I agree, Apple does have choices here. There's a really great text called 'About Face: The Essentials of Interaction Design'. Worth borrowing from a library sometime if you haven't come across it before. It covers the good and ugly of interfaces exactly as the example you describe.
Have a great weekend, friend!

[doublepost=1486131797][/doublepost]
So my comment on this is that it's an awkward message, although it seems to be presumably an essential message for device/disk safety. There have been improvements though, in more recent versions of MacOS, this is now a notification, below. The notification reads better, isn't as intrusive and uses the button wording "Close" which makes more sense.

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I do suppose it is important to eject disks properly, BUT, ideally the operating system should be ready at anytime to handle the user removing any "disks" and for it to result in no damage to device or disk. That's where we want to head with the user experience. A lot of the thinking behind some user interactions and experiences are carryovers from the pioneering but outdated methods from the past.
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That's interesting. I was under the assumption that all purchased software could be re downloaded anytime from the purchased list in iTunes or in the App Store.

Good lord. You asserted (repeatedly) that the currently-dead Steve Jobs agrees with your opinion, and wouldn't have approved of a warning that makes the user think about system maintenance only to then click "ok." I then demonstrated that you are absolutely and totally wrong about that, as the alive-at-the-time Steve Jobs let through a system warning that does exactly what you said he'd never approve. You chose to ignore all that and (again!) repeated your opinion about the issue, though you (probably to avoid the shattering cognitive dissonance) left Steve out of it this time. Enough said.

 

[smacrumon]

Good lord. You asserted (repeatedly) that the currently-dead Steve Jobs agrees with your opinion, and wouldn't have approved of a warning that makes the user think about system maintenance only to then click "ok." I then demonstrated that you are absolutely and totally wrong about that, as the alive-at-the-time Steve Jobs let through a system warning that does exactly what you said he'd never approve. You chose to ignore all that and (again!) repeated your opinion about the issue, though you (probably to avoid the shattering cognitive dissonance) left Steve out of it this time. Enough said.

Steve knew good software and good hardware, and changed direction when something better was presented. I don't think you read my posts properly or have missed the essence of the point I was making. Or maybe I didn't communicate it as eloquently as I should have. Borrow the book 'About Face: The Essentials of Interaction Design', you'll find it eye opening and informative on the possibilities of software design.

 

[C DM]

Steve knew good software and good hardware, and changed direction when something better was presented. I don't think you read my posts properly or have missed the essence of the point I was making. Or maybe I didn't communicate it as eloquently as I should have. Borrow the book 'About Face: The Essentials of Interaction Design', you'll find it eye opening and informative on the possibilities of software design.

And apparently still had something that did exactly what he supposedly wouldn't have never hard.

 

[applezulu]

Steve knew good software and good hardware, and changed direction when something better was presented. I don't think you read my posts properly or have missed the essence of the point I was making. Or maybe I didn't communicate it as eloquently as I should have. Borrow the book 'About Face: The Essentials of Interaction Design', you'll find it eye opening and informative on the possibilities of software design.

My reading comprehension skills are just fine. I understood your opinion the first time you offered it, as did probably most of the people who read it. I chose to take issue when you decided that repeating that opinion wasn't enough, but that it would be necessary to assert an endorsement from a dead person. I offered evidence that, at least when he was still alive, the dead person signed off on the very thing you claimed he would abhor. My reading comprehension skills are actually so good that I can tell you're still not even willing to admit your error in claiming the deceased's endorsement.

So I'll offer it up this way: Picture your originally stated opinion on this issue as a dialog popping up on people's screens, with buttons for "respond" and "ok". No matter which of the two someone chooses, you still pop up a new dialog with the same thing in it. After people click either option a few times, repeating the identical process, the wording in the box starts adding "But Steve Jobs!" to the original language. One time, I clicked "respond" and typed in "nope, not Steve Jobs," and the box kept popping up, first without Steve Jobs, but then sneakily adding back in "but Steve Jobs eventually, if he had a chance to really think about it."

In my experience, when stuck in an endless loop, there should be no more expectations of something different happening, and sometimes you just have to go ahead and mash down that power key and wait for a re-boot.

 

[smacrumon]

And apparently still had something that did exactly what he supposedly wouldn't have never hard.

Sorry, CDM. It's often difficult to understand your replies. Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm.
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My reading comprehension skills are just fine. I understood your opinion the first time you offered it, as did probably most of the people who read it. I chose to take issue when you decided that repeating that opinion wasn't enough, but that it would be necessary to assert an endorsement from a dead person. I offered evidence that, at least when he was still alive, the dead person signed off on the very thing you claimed he would abhor. My reading comprehension skills are actually so good that I can tell you're still not even willing to admit your error in claiming the deceased's endorsement.

So I'll offer it up this way: Picture your originally stated opinion on this issue as a dialog popping up on people's screens, with buttons for "respond" and "ok". No matter which of the two someone chooses, you still pop up a new dialog with the same thing in it. After people click either option a few times, repeating the identical process, the wording in the box starts adding "But Steve Jobs!" to the original language. One time, I clicked "respond" and typed in "nope, not Steve Jobs," and the box kept popping up, first without Steve Jobs, but then sneakily adding back in "but Steve Jobs eventually, if he had a chance to really think about it."

In my experience, when stuck in an endless loop, there should be no more expectations of something different happening, and sometimes you just have to go ahead and mash down that power key and wait for a re-boot.

Or just press the stop button, fix the problem, press play again. No need for a reboot. I addressed the issue in my follow up reply earlier.

 

[C DM]

Sorry, CDM. It's often difficult to understand your replies. Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm.
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Or just press the stop button, fix the problem, press play again. No need for a reboot. I addressed the issue in my follow up reply earlier.

Seems like most don't have any issues understanding my posts. In the occasional cases when that does happen there's often something more to it on someone else's side. But that's alright, such is reality.

 

[smacrumon]

Seems like most don't have any issues understanding my posts. In the occasional cases when that does happen there's often something more to it on someone else's side. But that's alright, such is reality.

No, in this case there's nothing more to it. Seriously though, check out that book at a library near you. You'll form a completely different outlook on user interactions and understand there are much better ways of doing things. Alternatively, stare at the screen and take it all in without questioning anything. Ironic how things switch place.

 

[C DM]

No, in this case there's nothing more to it. Seriously though, check out that book at a library near you. You'll form a completely different outlook on user interactions and understand there are much better ways of doing things. Alternatively, stare at the screen and take it all in without questioning anything. Ironic how things switch place.

Still going in the same circles about what has already been addressed.

 

[smacrumon]

Still going in the same circles and that have already been addressed.

> Shutdown

 

[applezulu]

> Shutdown

...and we have a winner!

 

[Abazigal]

You can't usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current world order.

I am all for any move which keeps app developers on their toes and incentivized to constantly update their apps with the latest features and APIs.

 

[manhattanboy]

That will probably take years. They mentioned in a developer keynote that the dock is written in swift, and it's around 200 000 lines of code.

Of course 100,000 of those is something like:
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I'm joking of course, but Swift seems much stricter in error tolerance and generally that is a good thing for security and keeping programs from crashing. I still would prefer a release of OS X with no new features added and the underlying architecture cleaned up from bugs over a new release with yet more features and random color changes.

If Apple sends out another buggy release with more useless features and touch gestures, the one gesture I will be tempted to use involves my middle finger

 

[crashoverride77]

Of course 100,000 of those is something like:
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I'm joking of course, but Swift seems much stricter in error tolerance and generally that is a good thing for security and keeping programs from crashing. I still would prefer a release of OS X with no new features added and the underlying architecture cleaned up from bugs over a new release with yet more features and random color changes.

If Apple sends out another buggy release with more useless features and touch gestures, the one gesture I will be tempted to use involves my middle finger

Yeah I wouldn't mind a full on OSX cleanup as well, its not going to happen tho. Who knows what happens with the Apple file system, I having been hearing positive things from the iOS 10.3 beta.

 

[Kastellen]

Then don't update.

That's my thought. I will be evaluating which apps I still want/need that will become unusable and then decide if I'm going to update or (probably) not. And then decide if I really need to update to the latest iPhone (no I don't), if it requires iOS 11, or whichever version dumped 32-bit.

I don't think that's what Apple wants, though, a bunch of users deciding to stop updating completely. Or buying new phones. Yet that's what happens with ultimatums. (Although I doubt "a bunch" will ever be enough for them to care.)
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You think not updating is also worth the lack of updated security that comes with it also?

Yes.
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Those apps haven't been updated since Feb 1, 2015. I'm totally fine with them going away.

And yet it's not all about you.

 

[2010mini]

That's my thought. I will be evaluating which apps I still want/need that will become unusable and then decide if I'm going to update or (probably) not. And then decide if I really need to update to the latest iPhone (no I don't), if it requires iOS 11, or whichever version dumped 32-bit.

I don't think that's what Apple wants, though, a bunch of users deciding to stop updating completely. Or buying new phones. Yet that's what happens with ultimatums. (Although I doubt "a bunch" will ever be enough for them to care.)
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Yes.
[doublepost=1487002875][/doublepost]

And yet it's not all about you.

Wish you the best of luck with your outdated security.

 

[Kastellen]

Wish you the best of luck with your outdated security.

Thanks, because SO MANY iOS devices have been compromised. Oh, wait, no they haven't.

 

[2010mini]

Thanks, because SO MANY iOS devices have been compromised. Oh, wait, no they haven't.

Uh, yes their have been compromised iOS devices before. Apple has sent out updates to address those issues. iOS is not invulnerable to hacking.

 

[Kastellen]

Uh, yes their have been compromised iOS devices before. Apple has sent out updates to address those issues. iOS is not invulnerable to hacking.

I didn't say there were none, I said there weren't a lot of them. I'll take my chances, given that they are considerably less that the odds of getting struck by lightning in your lifetime.

 

[pacorob]

Interesting research by app analytic company Sensor Tower which said that: 'Apple could kill almost 200,000 apps (8% of apps in App Store) with iOS 11' might possiblity no longer worker when you update your iDevices to iOS11 which is covered in this Mashable news post.

I did notice that Apple did warn the developer 30 days before they would remove an app to update their app back in September/October 2016.