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Download the Documents app by Readdle. It's free and is the file directory / finder iOS is missing. It's integration with share sheets kicks ass. I love using its built in browser with video downloader webpages to collect youtube videos and store them on my ipad for the kids.

And to OP, I think these proposed features are too complicated. Three finger drag down to get to a shelf thats basically a multi-clipboard is awkward and leads to shelf-rot - hundreds of ****** clips sitting on the shelf... then we get shelf search in iOS12? Eww. And drag drop is interesting, but not that much different than the copy paste between apps that is already implemented.

Requiring all apps to support landscape mode would be where I would start. It's super frustrating to rotate the screen to realize the app doesn't support it - and just lazy by developers these days.

Context aware and conversational siri would be number two for me. She doesn't understand what I'm saying half the time and is very limited in what she can do. Sometimes I want her to read the email I have on screen (read this email) or help me get to my content faster (find the email from Bob about Cancun) or (show me the last email from Andy) or (add Bob, Liz, and Sam to this email). I feel like Siri is missing thousands of canned actions. This is especially annoying when the text on screen shows that she understands you, but that action has not been defined in her "brain". I'm always surprised by what she can't do, and rarely suprised by what she can.

Split screen improvement would be my third. I should be able to keep pulling splits from the right side. I should also be able to pull a split from the top or bottom of the screen, or an already split panel. I should also be able to rotate a split pane to any angle I want. Mini icons on the split pane to change the split app being viewed would be really cool too. The split view app switcher is super awkward right now.

I agree with this video on the denser icons and multiple audio streams. Often I want to be listening to music in the background while I'm watching a tutorial in split screen.
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I feel like a broken record, but the Documents app by Readdle does all this.

OK I'm going to have to grab this, thanks!!
 
Ageist much? At 67 I often explain to 20-30 year olds how to use their iOS devices.

Not at all. I'm merely reporting a sentiment that is typical of the elders I know, and a common experience for the aging. Realize that you are an outlier. I've watched my parents succumb to dementia. We tried to stimulate their minds with iPads—encouraging them to listen to podcasts, order iBooks, watch Netflix, play simple games or puzzles, or research interests. We tried to increase our interaction with them using FaceTime. Ultimately, they had no interest in solitary activities. They found text messaging and email impersonal. FaceTime was amusing to them at first glance, but made them shy and unconversational.

We expect our tech toys to satisfy, or assist with, every human yearning. Now futurists want to augment our reality and evetually create virtual realities for us to live in. No thanks. I'd rather physically visit an actual location, experience real events, and have real sex. That's why old timers, including myself, aren't as enthused about tech.
 
Download the Documents app by Readdle. It's free and is the file directory / finder iOS is missing. It's integration with share sheets kicks ass. I love using its built in browser with video downloader webpages to collect youtube videos and store them on my ipad for the kids.

And to OP, I think these proposed features are too complicated. Three finger drag down to get to a shelf thats basically a multi-clipboard is awkward and leads to shelf-rot - hundreds of ****** clips sitting on the shelf... then we get shelf search in iOS12? Eww. And drag drop is interesting, but not that much different than the copy paste between apps that is already implemented.

Requiring all apps to support landscape mode would be where I would start. It's super frustrating to rotate the screen to realize the app doesn't support it - and just lazy by developers these days.

Context aware and conversational siri would be number two for me. She doesn't understand what I'm saying half the time and is very limited in what she can do. Sometimes I want her to read the email I have on screen (read this email) or help me get to my content faster (find the email from Bob about Cancun) or (show me the last email from Andy) or (add Bob, Liz, and Sam to this email). I feel like Siri is missing thousands of canned actions. This is especially annoying when the text on screen shows that she understands you, but that action has not been defined in her "brain". I'm always surprised by what she can't do, and rarely suprised by what she can.

Split screen improvement would be my third. I should be able to keep pulling splits from the right side. I should also be able to pull a split from the top or bottom of the screen, or an already split panel. I should also be able to rotate a split pane to any angle I want. Mini icons on the split pane to change the split app being viewed would be really cool too. The split view app switcher is super awkward right now.

I agree with this video on the denser icons and multiple audio streams. Often I want to be listening to music in the background while I'm watching a tutorial in split screen.
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I feel like a broken record, but the Documents app by Readdle does all this.

Thank u :)
 
Here's a rumour. iOS 11 will be just like any other iOS in the past few years. Unnecessary upgrades and "improvements", something Siri, something share to your friends, something much more performance-efficient, something emoji. Oh and cringey WWDC as always. But as always, we will be overly excited for it then be awfully disappointed once we just get another absolutely pointless iOS upgrade.

The best way they could make it not-pointless would be to add a good UI, simplicity, consistency, and usability back into iOS. One of my friends who has also worked in the computer-industry his entire life but only recently came back to Apple products after a multi-year hiatus (I warned him there was no longer any compelling reason to return) said this: "What the hell happened? All of this used to make perfect sense. Now it's just a bunch of random sh*t you're supposed to memorize!"
 
Download the Documents app by Readdle. It's free and is the file directory / finder iOS is missing. It's integration with share sheets kicks ass. I love using its built in browser with video downloader webpages to collect youtube videos and store them on my ipad for the kids

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I feel like a broken record, but the Documents app by Readdle does all this.
Sorry but no. Documents by Readdle is NOT the directory/finder iOS is missing. Seriously, I wish people would stop overselling what Documents does. It is an app like any other app and has the limitations of sandboxed storage like any other app.
 
I knew a few technicians and programmers that worked at Danger, Inc from the first SideKick to the Sidekick II. solid blokes.

But man ... "In March 2000 Duarte took a role at Danger as the Director of Design where his team won the 2002 Wired 'Industrial Designer' Rave Award[6] for their work in designing the Hiptop/SideKick" LMAO Duarte worked at Danger?! I somehow don't think anything with the design was solely his own efforts. His best work arguably is with Android 3 moreover Android 4/5 ... that took some SERIOUS hard work and vision and to be honest Android is a LOT better off for his efforts and dare I say iOS because of the challenge brought by him on a competition platform force Apple and Ive's to get off his fat aging butt (sire) to really put in work!

I think Jony was getting REALLY bored with art exhibits until iOS 7!
My point was, to point out, he didn't just hired because of some conceptual video/image on the internet. He worked his way to where he is.
 
Sorry but no. Documents by Readdle is NOT the directory/finder iOS is missing. Seriously, I wish people would stop overselling what Documents does. It is an app like any other app and has the limitations of sandboxed storage like any other app.

This is true, but it's also one heck of a way to deal with things like ZIP files and the like.
 
Seems fiddly and annoying. Speaking for myself I'd appreciate the existence of these functions, but doubt I'd ever use them. I don't even use the split screen function. It makes the 2 apps too small. I'm happy with full screen apps for mainly consumption on the iPad, and moving to a Mac for everything else.
 
Sorry but no. Documents by Readdle is NOT the directory/finder iOS is missing. Seriously, I wish people would stop overselling what Documents does. It is an app like any other app and has the limitations of sandboxed storage like any other app.

fair enough, but it's the best we got right now I think you would agree. It has helped my productivity a lot on my ipad.

The sandboxed storage is not nearly as limiting as it normally feels because they have done such a good job with share sheets. You can push and pull documents and files between most apps really easily. On top of that the very good FTP support, Dropbox support, One Drive support, etc, makes the sandbox feel like it has very weak walls. But you're correct, data is getting duplicated.
 
I've always felt the iPad is a computer without any extra abilities over the iPhone. I really want to see some more computer like functions and extras that don't exist on iPhone. Sure having a universal experience is great but with all that extra space most things seem redundant that work well on iPhones. Having a proper file browser is high on the list along with some USBc ports and a mouse pointer if used with a keyboard and mouse, usbc could let you use HDMI and an external monitor. App home page customisation and widgets should be there too, with so much space having spaced out apps and nothing else is such a waste. More options in control centre and notifications, better multitasking and more is needed. Not having things like a timer when the iPhone does seems weird too, there are many reasons to buy an iPad but currently none of them are in iOS for the iPad right now, it's like apple is purposefully handicapping it.
 
Whaha - it says they prioritize empty pizza box space over unused screen space
Design "professionalism" - only at Apple...

You are talking about priorities now, but your original point was about prevention rather than priorities. You claimed that Apple's current projects, such as the development of pizza boxes, are preventing them from altering app grid spacing on the iPad. As I mentioned previously, that claim has no validity.
 
Not at all. I'm merely reporting a sentiment that is typical of the elders I know, and a common experience for the aging. Realize that you are an outlier. I've watched my parents succumb to dementia. We tried to stimulate their minds with iPads—encouraging them to listen to podcasts, order iBooks, watch Netflix, play simple games or puzzles, or research interests. We tried to increase our interaction with them using FaceTime. Ultimately, they had no interest in solitary activities. They found text messaging and email impersonal. FaceTime was amusing to them at first glance, but made them shy and unconversational.

We expect our tech toys to satisfy, or assist with, every human yearning. Now futurists want to augment our reality and evetually create virtual realities for us to live in. No thanks. I'd rather physically visit an actual location, experience real events, and have real sex. That's why old timers, including myself, aren't as enthused about tech.

In your first sentence you deny being ageist. Your second sentence is the very essence of group prejudice.

Don't generalize your experience with your parents as representing the entire population of aging people. Which you did when you wrote 'the aging mind...' without qualifying with something like 'in some cases'.
 
You are talking about priorities now, but your original point was about prevention rather than priorities. You claimed that Apple's current projects, such as the development of pizza boxes, are preventing them from altering app grid spacing on the iPad. As I mentioned previously, that claim has no validity.
Indeed, wrong priorities prevented it to happen. Stow them away in a pizza box.
Happy hiking.
 
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What I'd like to see in an iOS update is when you double-click the home button,
instead of all the open apps apearing as Cover Flow, they all appear
at about the size of a square made up of four app icons,
four or five app images per row. "Expose for iPad Method" let's call it.

Apps that haven't been used in months are all the way to the left,
and using the "Cover Flow Method", you have to swipe through.
Each. And every. Open. App. One. At. A time ....
It takes takes a long time to get to an earlier opened app.

Using the "Expose for iPad Method", you just quickly
flick down to the bottom of the "list" four or five apps at a time.
 
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What's the point of this? We're only 3 weeks away, iOS 11 is conceptually already finalized.

Fine. Change the name of the video to iOS 12 concept then. It's still a good video and what Apple should be working towards. Copy and pate on the iPad is so clunky. It doesn't even work right on this very website often grabbing things you don't want. You have to fight it to get it to do what you want. A user should not have to fight an OS to get things accomplished. It should "just work". Drag and drop of photos would be nice too. This stuff could all work so easier if Apple would just put the time and effort into doing so.
 
Indeed, wrong priorities prevented it to happen. Stow them away in a pizza box.
Happy hiking.

The rationale that the development of a pizza box represents a priority, which has prevented Apple from altering app grid spacing on the iPad, doesn't add up. Here are just a couple of reasons why.

Firstly, pizza box engineers are unlikely to be working on iPad grid spacing. The skills necessary for hardware engineering and software engineering are different. So the trade-off between the development of pizza boxes and iOS software development that you are putting forward is a false one. A team of hardware engineers did not decide to prioritise the development of pizza boxes over software development on the iPad.

Secondly, just because the grid spacing of apps hasn't yet been changed on the iPad, doesn't mean that Apple's software team isn't actively working on it. The pizza box coming first doesn't imply that its development has come at the cost of Apple being prevented from working on iPad grid spacing. Instead, it may just be the case that while Apple's hardware team have had success in the development of a pizza box, Apple's software team have not yet found a good solution with regards to refining app grid spacing on the iPad.

Another possibility is that Apple's software team didn't think that iPad app grid spacing needed to be altered in the first place and, accordingly, haven't been working on doing so.

Whichever way one looks at it, there is one fact that remains constant: the development of a pizza box has not prevented Apple from working on iPad app grid spacing.
 
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The rationale that the development of a pizza box represents a priority, which has prevented Apple from altering app grid spacing on the iPad, doesn't add up. Here are just a couple of reasons why.
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You seem to forget that it all comes together at SVP Sir J. Ive who is responsible for all design activity and assorted priorities.
Given his dept.'s output over the last 3,4 years, he clearly is less focused/motivated on Apple products but merely on Christmas trees, offices, doorknobs, packaging, round pizza boxes. No one dares to instruct him, realign him, or either ask him to consider a transfer to the food/furniture industry as these side-activities continue to go at cost of Apple product & UI design. So I am afraid we must mentally prepare ourselves on even more idiosyncrasies (round toiletpaper sheets...?) before iPad software optimalisation will even be considered.

Pizza boxes...its just as ludicrous as embarassing how inflated Apple industrial design has become.
 
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Nah, what I really wish Apple would let me do is separate the app icons from the app list. I want to have a cleared out Springboard with just a few icons and an app list i can sort by A-Z, most-recently used, most-recently updated, etc... You know like on Windows & Android. I don't need drag & drop nonsense.
 
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Here's a rumour. iOS 11 will be just like any other iOS in the past few years. Unnecessary upgrades and "improvements", something Siri, something share to your friends, something much more performance-efficient, something emoji. Oh and cringey WWDC as always. But as always, we will be overly excited for it then be awfully disappointed once we just get another absolutely pointless iOS upgrade.

Well, I hope you permanently stay out of the rumor business because split view drag and drop and the new Files app have leaked.
 
Here's a rumour. iOS 11 will be just like any other iOS in the past few years. Unnecessary upgrades and "improvements", something Siri, something share to your friends, something much more performance-efficient, something emoji. Oh and cringey WWDC as always. But as always, we will be overly excited for it then be awfully disappointed once we just get another absolutely pointless iOS upgrade.

Keynote over. Your rumor is a big smoking pile of FAIL.
Drop and drag. Files app with third-party integration (including drop and drag). Easily-accessible split screen with saved desktops. Amazing. Revolutionary.
Please refrain from posting rumors for the next... ten years or so, OK? ;)
 
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Keynote over. Your rumor is a big smoking pile of FAIL.
Drop and drag. Files app with third-party integration (including drop and drag). Easily-accessible split screen with saved desktops. Amazing. Revolutionary.
Please refrain from posting rumors for the next... ten years or so, OK? ;)

yet Apple still couldn't figure out an app list after 10 years.
 
yet Apple still couldn't figure out an app list after 10 years.

You know with certainty that there will be a way to do this in iOS 11 when it's released? Cite your source.

Also, since the App Store has only been around for 9 years, how could you possibly score this as a "deficiency" for 10 years? SMH. ;)
 
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