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Better yet maybe they'll discontinue that abomination of remote and come up with something more practical. I place the ATV4 remote in the same low regard as the iMac Puck mouse. Both were built for the "cool factor" more than usability. What I hate more than anything is you pick up ATV4 remote to put it away and the slightest touch at the bottom turns on the TV. Not good design.
It's unintelligent design. You'd think a team of designers at Apple would be intelligent enough to design with ergonomics in mind, but nope.

This is how it should be:

#1 Design to the ergonomics
#2 Design to optimal aesthetic given the set ergonomics from rule #1
 
Apple PR strikes again. "Leak" some details and ideas to a publication to prep the masses. Maybe some of it is true, maybe some of it is not. Either way, since we're talking about it they did their job.
 
Yeah! Gestures that rely on access to the very edge of the screen never have issues when using a case. #YouCan'tGoHomeAgain
Well, they don't on any iPhone I've used.

Also, from my understanding you will never need to be near the edge of the display to go home. You swipe up the bar at the bottom of the device according to Bloomberg report.
 
Well that's still clunkier than what there is currently (or what there was before) with a physical button. I find that home button fine but it isn't great.

Clunky in what way? It literally isn't there unless you hard press and then it takes you home. Nothing is visible on screen, I can't imagine it being less clunky.
 
I’m so excited about this, but worried at the same time. Who else can never get Control Center to come up reliably? The phone often seems to confuse it with button input or accidental touches. I have to drag my finger quite high up and slowly/deliberately. I don’t want to have to do that every time I close an app.

That will not be the case since in your case all screen is completely asigned to the app you are using. In the described case there is a slim "software" bar below; so when you star sliding from it, you guarantee a specific gesture is performed.
 
It won't be so hard when you don't have the button :) But seriously, I share your pain.

Lately, though, the home button has become a bit of an annoyance anyway - my wife and I have gotten into the habit of occasionally using the phone when we can't sleep. Both of us are light sleepers and that darn button click (we still have an iPhone 6 with its completely physical home button) has a tendency to wake the other person up!

Which begs the question: how will face recognition work in the dark? Just put in your pin instead?

I'll miss the home button. I reach into my pocket and my phone is on before it's even in front of me. These feel like extra steps to the same end.
 
Which begs the question: how will face recognition work in the dark? Just put in your pin instead?

I'll miss the home button. I reach into my pocket and my phone is on before it's even in front of me. These feel like extra steps to the same end.
IR sensors will work in the dark. A bit like Nintendo’s New 3DS, but much better and more accurate.
 
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I can see why Apple is embracing the notch. It appears that app developers choose the color behind the status bar. Maybe some apps will fill it with black.

While on the home screen, the wallpaper goes behind the status bar. If you want the notch to disappear, you can use a wallpaper that has a black bar at the top.

One thing that hasn't been addressed that I'm curious about is how these changes will affect the accessibility of the phone. Apple has rather strongly pushed the whole visual, hearing etc stuff. Losing the physical home button could be a downgrade on that front. So how are they going to keep the phone just as usable for the visually impaired

Swipe from bottom all the way up should still be fine for the visually impaired. With the normal iPhone 7 with bezel, you don't know where the "bottom" of the screen really was without looking, but because the iPhone 8 has no bezel, the bottom of the phone IS the bottom of the screen.
 
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oh jeez, they might be going all in. They are gonna super buzz us up with fancy words at the conference. blah blah after 10 years time for a major paradigm shift in UI etc.

#takeMyMoney

I know, right? They're going to give basic android features these really cool marketing buzz words.
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I absolutely hate this about the Android phones without home buttons and I have never gotten used to it.

I like Pixel phones with a fingerprint reader on the back. Your finger falls intuitively on the sensor and the screen comes on. Drag your finger down from the sensor and your notification screen appears. Apple with figure out something similar and as easy.
 
Im guessing Apple knows what they are doing when it comes to software and their OS so Im not worried. But Im still not getting this phone unless they have made the camera flush again. If not, Ill just stick with the SE-

what bothers you about the camera bulge? is it just an aesthetics thing? I'm seriously asking because not once has that bothered me, I rarely ever look at the back of my phone, its not that huge a bulge that it makes holding/carrying the phone any different. I guess laying it on a table but why would one care unless you are physically rocking your phone with your hands rather than it just laying there..... and on top of that most cases will even it out... I'm not trying to be a jerk just genuinely asking because I'm curious.
 
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The embrace of the notch is fine. People losing their minds because Apple isn't going to black out parts of a screen to make it look uniform are being a tad ridiculous IMO.

Now the white notch looks horrendous, and makes the user focus on the bright white bezel of what is supposed to be an almost bezel-less phone
 
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The embrace of the notch is fine. People losing their minds because Apple isn't going to black out parts of a screen to make it look uniform are being a tad ridiculous IMO.

Now the white notch looks horrendous, and makes the user focus on the bright white bezel of what is supposed to be an almost bezel-less phone
What about this:
 
Another gesture that probably isn't going to work with VoiceOver/Accessibility (some people forget/don't know that the home button has other functions besides getting to the home screen and Siri). Welcome to the world of the inaccessible iPhone.
 
So much for "easy enough for mom to use". One swipe gesture will have essentially 3 functions now: Unlocking, app switching, control center. If they market this as iPhone Pro or Edition, thats fine.

At the $1000 price point I guess most moms wont be buying it anyway.
 
We all know no one is going for the white one, the "cut out" looks like someone put 4 holes there. Imagine having the phone turned off? Ha scary! & ugly!

Im going for the black one, anyone knows if it will be like the jet black one? Ima have to buy a case then..
 
what bothers you about the camera bulge? is it just an aesthetics thing? I'm seriously asking because not once has that bothered me, I rarely ever look at the back of my phone, its not that huge a bulge that it makes holding/carrying the phone any different. I guess laying it on a table but why would one care unless you are physically rocking your phone with your hands rather than it just laying there..... and on top of that most cases will even it out... I'm not trying to be a jerk just genuinely asking because I'm curious.

People gotta moan about something..

If the camera was thin enough to sit flush, it would be vastly inferior and people would moan. If they fleshed the rest of the phone out to the thickness of the camera and filled it with battery people would moan that the phone is too fat and heavy.

People just gotta moan, even if it's the tiniest detail that won't affect them, they'll moan anyway.
 
Ok. Fair enough. But what about when iOS is on, the phone is being used, and iOS is ALL white?
I much rather prefer a white on white surface when I am actually USING my phone than how it looks when the screen is off.

We all know no one is going for the white one, the "cut out" looks like someone put 4 holes there. Imagine having the phone turned off? Ha scary! & ugly!

Im going for the black one, anyone knows if it will be like the jet black one? Ima have to buy a case then..
 
This is looking to be one heck of a great 10th anniversary phone hope the next two weeks fly by I have upgrade ready for a Gold 256GB with a large OLED screen.
 
So the iPhone will basically work the same way as WebOS did originally nearly 9 years ago
WebOs was well ahead of it's time:

Its really too bad the build quality on them was s***. I had a pixi for four years and had to replace the back shell every few minths until i put a case on it.

I powered it up the other day and its UX is still preferable to ios.
 
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