iOS 11 Now Installed on 76% of iOS Devices, While Android 8 is Installed on 4.6% of Android Devices

[C DM]

Oyabrochi,
“...to a teenager who's anxious to go out and play with his friends...”. The correct word is eager not anxious. Think anxious as in anxiety, fear, dread, distraught. Anxious comes from Latin, Angere, to choke or strangle. Eager means one is looking forward to something. In English grammar using anxious for eager is a common mistake. Nothing wrong with using anxious, however in your sentence the correct English word would be eager.

Hope that helps you

Not quite sure what that has to do with my post.

 

[Keirasplace]

"but adoption has been markedly slower than iOS 10"...

wonder if the reason is...apple purposely slows things down..and people want fast phones..

but yup.. Android is really fragemented still..

Except Apple does no such things; slowing them down purposefully.
When the court cases will come up, the people saying this will have to actually prove their point instead of just going on innuendo.

Early versions of major upgrades though are not tuned to older devices for sure, this has more to do with QA and the huge amount of testing you need to do get older device working well in all their configurations (basically regression testing).

That's true especially .0-0.1 so I would always recommend more than a year old device (say 5s, 6 and 6s when the X, 8 were released) to wait until 0.2 at least to update. This fall, I'd recommend people on 7 to wait to upgrade until 12.2 unless reviews come out fantastic for earlier versions.

I can fault them for pushing so many changes in one update, something they've been trying to move away from. Cause when you try integrating many pieces of software together at the same time. It's a lot harder to make sure there won't be issues.

They've somewhat gone in that direction by rolling software with only software dependencies (or which depend on the same type of hardware) throughout the year instead of pushing it all to the major upgrades (that's what they did to introduce apfs).

But, when new hardware requires reworking major OS subsystems, like authentification for Face ID, adding AR capabilities and the ability to merge images from many lens, modifying the bluetooth subsystem to enable routing (available in BT 5.0) (which has a lot of new security implications)), etc - You can't do that.

 

[rpe33]

Fragmentation?
It only matters if you buy a carrier locked device.
Stick to an unlocked device with a manufacturer that actively updates.

Now if you want to argue build quality, etc.
That's different.

Yes, FRAGMENTATION. You do know what that means, don't you? Look it up.

 

[spinedoc77]

Maybe you are just utterly obsessed with updates that have little tangible benefits to the overall scheme of things. Security? Many of the world's largest mobile payment systems (majority running on android) still function with no issue.

Most android users go on doing their things with whatever version of Android they are on. iPhone users on the other hand divert much of their useful time to troubleshoot why (forced) updates caused their phone to slow down or become unstable.

There are updates that I would like to have and feel they would have tangible benefits. With every android update they streamline the OS and make it faster, more efficient, etc. Google themselves tout is as booting up 2x faster for example. The big one for me was picture in picture mode, which I've been waiting for. Just to name a few. I do appreciate that Google has made some strides into fragmentation by releasing most of their apps as standalone versions that can be updated outside of the OS, but it's not enough. 8-9 months to get an OS update is pitiful. I just read that the G6 got Oreo update this week, that phone has been out OVER a year if I'm not mistaken and it's still last gen, not 2 or 3 generations displaced, so it's not like LG is doing any older phones any favors.

Anyhoo, I understand that many users could care less about updates. But for me having new features and a new OS version is very important. I use an iPhone now for many other reasons besides this, but the utterly pitiful fragmentation and slow OS updates is certainly one of the main reasons. Sure the iPhone has seen a decline in software stability without a doubt, but I don't think it's accurate to say that users divert their time to troubleshoot updates. Overall the iPhone still "just works", although with hiccups and issues that remind me of Samsung phones 3 or 4 years ago. I still think that iOS11 has MANY more features that are worth the trouble, and at least Apple acknowledges that they didn't do a great job and are delaying iOS12 to work on it.

I would think security would be an issue as well. Sure Android gets regularly updated with security updates, but there was a recent article about phone manufacturers saying a phone was updated with security when it wasn't. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/12/17228510/android-phone-manufacturers-missed-security-updates-lie I would assume that a new OS version would have all the prior security updates, but I'm not sure if that's how it works.

At the end of the day, apologist or not, you have to admit the rate of adoption is completely pitiful, just downright awful. There is no reason for it either, other than Google lacking the cojones to make it happen. Yeah I blame Google primarily, even though Android is open source Google still has many ways to apply pressure to oems, who in turn have the ability to pressure the carriers.

 

[mib1800]

There are updates that I would like to have and feel they would have tangible benefits. With every android update they streamline the OS and make it faster, more efficient, etc. Google themselves tout is as booting up 2x faster for example. The big one for me was picture in picture mode, which I've been waiting for. Just to name a few. I do appreciate that Google has made some strides into fragmentation by releasing most of their apps as standalone versions that can be updated outside of the OS, but it's not enough. 8-9 months to get an OS update is pitiful. I just read that the G6 got Oreo update this week, that phone has been out OVER a year if I'm not mistaken and it's still last gen, not 2 or 3 generations displaced, so it's not like LG is doing any older phones any favors.

Anyhoo, I understand that many users could care less about updates. But for me having new features and a new OS version is very important. I use an iPhone now for many other reasons besides this, but the utterly pitiful fragmentation and slow OS updates is certainly one of the main reasons. Sure the iPhone has seen a decline in software stability without a doubt, but I don't think it's accurate to say that users divert their time to troubleshoot updates. Overall the iPhone still "just works", although with hiccups and issues that remind me of Samsung phones 3 or 4 years ago. I still think that iOS11 has MANY more features that are worth the trouble, and at least Apple acknowledges that they didn't do a great job and are delaying iOS12 to work on it.

I think "faster" doesnt make as much a difference (for many people) anymore since a few years back. I still have my note 4 (os v5.x) and it doesnt differ much in speed when using most apps compared to my s8+ wih oreo. I don't know about other manufacturers but Galaxy already have pip (aka floating window) since way back.

Like you said, android app updates have been decoupled from the OS. This is very (if not the most) important factor. My Note 4 can run latest version of most apps without issue. And that's more important to users than some academic discussions about merit of timely OS updates. However it is mostly the opposite for iphone users. You dont update iOS, then your phone is really outdated and sometimes not fit for work. All your core apps are outdated and you can't even update/install 3rd party apps in app store (once those 3rd party dev updated their apps to latest os version)

Another point is unlike iOS where you have one-size-fit-all firmware, most android updates are programmed/customized to one specific hardware. THis ensures it runs without problems on the device it is intended for. Most probably this is the reason why os updates take so long. Another way to look at it is that you dont have to worry that updates break your phone...unlike every major iOS updates always cause issues for older devices.

I can't speak for devices from other manufacturers. From a Galaxy user perspective, updating my S8+ to oreo has little real benefits from usage point of view. All the new stuff in oreo, I already have them in Galaxy before update. The only difference I can tell is the slightly better battery life...that's all.

If you dont update from iOS v11 you do lose out a lot more in functionalities (including those "functionalities" brought about by bugs and incompatibilities ). Plus you will be nagged to insanity

I would think security would be an issue as well. Sure Android gets regularly updated with security updates, but there was a recent article about phone manufacturers saying a phone was updated with security when it wasn't. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/12/17228510/android-phone-manufacturers-missed-security-updates-lie I would assume that a new OS version would have all the prior security updates, but I'm not sure if that's how it works.

At the end of the day, apologist or not, you have to admit the rate of adoption is completely pitiful, just downright awful. There is no reason for it either, other than Google lacking the cojones to make it happen. Yeah I blame Google primarily, even though Android is open source Google still has many ways to apply pressure to oems, who in turn have the ability to pressure the carriers.

Security factor is much wider than you think. Like I said in my previous post, most of your info resides in the cloud/servers not on phone. You use an app then your info goes somewhere outside your phone. So your info is as secure as those who handle/keep your info. In this aspect security is the same whether on iphone or android as we are all using the same 3rd party services/apps. Case in point is the Facebook leak.

Second point is many 3rd party apps implement their own security system (e.g. your banking apps or major apps). Therefore it is crucial to have the latest apps. In this aspect, android is AHEAD since apps are decoupled from o/s updates. You can update to the latest apps even if the o/s is not the latest. Contrast this on iphone. If you are still on ios 8, all your apps are most probably outdated (and cannot be updated as well). And I think this poses a more imminent security risk than some unpatched security holes in the underlying o/s which in most cases require complicated and non-trivial steps to exploit.

Third point is security is as good as the user. I think both ios and android are safe enough as long as you stay within the perimeter of the eco-system (i.e. you dont jailbreak or root or sideload cracked apps or easily trust any apps with your info)

 

[I7guy]

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Second point is many 3rd party apps implement their own security system (e.g. your banking apps or major apps). Therefore it is crucial to have the latest apps. In this aspect, android is AHEAD since apps are decoupled from o/s updates

Correct. If you actually can get the updates to your phone. Else, I'll take IOS updates any day of the week. I don't care if I have to download 1mb or 200mb as long as I get an update. WIFI is free anyway.

 

[mib1800]

Correct. If you actually can get the updates to your phone. Else, I'll take IOS updates any day of the week. I don't care if I have to download 1mb or 200mb as long as I get an update. WIFI is free anyway.

Why not?? You just turn-on auto-update in google. You can get app updates on android much easier than iOS even for very old o/s version. I have an old android tv box running android 4.x without google services and I just update by side loading apps. On iOS, your old devices are as good as paper weight if the hardware is no longer supported by apple. And for supported devices, you must take the trouble to upgrade to latest o/s version first (even nasty version like ios11) before your (latest version) apps can be updated.

 

[I7guy]

Why not?? You just turn-on auto-update in google. You can get app updates on android much easier than iOS even for very old o/s version. I have an old android tv box running android 4.x without google services and I just update by side loading apps. On iOS, your old devices are as good as paper weight if the hardware is no longer supported by apple. And for supported devices, you must take the trouble to upgrade to latest o/s version first (even nasty version like ios11) before your (latest version) apps can be updated.

Easy peasy to update on android. That’s why android 8 adoption is paltry. Those numbers should tell you something, but they don’t. Btw, iOS is guaranteed for 5 years. I’ll take it over androids hit or miss approach to updates. (Or maybe android 8 is crap like you claim iOS 11 is)

 

[benjo765]

As if there isn't Apple bashing here? And remember, it's an APPLE site.

4% of the devices having the newest OS on Android is the PERFECT stat for one of the biggest problems with Android. It's not bashing...it's true.

Bashing is saying Tim Cook sucks, the notch notch notch, and Apple is doomed.

Disliking design choices is one thing, and by all means subject to debate, but describing the near-monopolistically profitable market leader in portable consumer technology as doomed? Thats just stupid.

 

[rcappo]

I finally am getting around to upgrading from 10.2 to 11.3.1 on my iPhone 6 Plus. There are one or two apps that haven't updated to 64-bits, and I have backed up all of my photos and such. This iPhone has been acting weird in the past few months by forgetting the Safari tabs I had open, having to rebuild the podcast and Photos library, taking a few corrupted pictures, forgetting that I have logged into apps, and the like. I also believe that I should have a lot more free space than shows up on the device. At least iTunes shows a different amount.

 

[Ottozer0]

Except Apple does no such things; slowing them down purposefully.
When the court cases will come up, the people saying this will have to actually prove their point instead of just going on innuendo.

Early versions of major upgrades though are not tuned to older devices for sure, this has more to do with QA and the huge amount of testing you need to do get older device working well in all their configurations (basically regression testing).

That's true especially .0-0.1 so I would always recommend more than a year old device (say 5s, 6 and 6s when the X, 8 were released) to wait until 0.2 at least to update. This fall, I'd recommend people on 7 to wait to upgrade until 12.2 unless reviews come out fantastic for earlier versions.

I can fault them for pushing so many changes in one update, something they've been trying to move away from. Cause when you try integrating many pieces of software together at the same time. It's a lot harder to make sure there won't be issues.

They've somewhat gone in that direction by rolling software with only software dependencies (or which depend on the same type of hardware) throughout the year instead of pushing it all to the major upgrades (that's what they did to introduce apfs).

But, when new hardware requires reworking major OS subsystems, like authentification for Face ID, adding AR capabilities and the ability to merge images from many lens, modifying the bluetooth subsystem to enable routing (available in BT 5.0) (which has a lot of new security implications)), etc - You can't do that.

Hi

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ls-smartphone-speed-ios-updates-a8121906.html

"Apple has admitted to intentionally slowing down iPhones as they get older, without notifying customers."


Just saying ;-)

Not a fanboy of any, but user of all :-D

 

[Baymowe335]

Hi

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ls-smartphone-speed-ios-updates-a8121906.html

"Apple has admitted to intentionally slowing down iPhones as they get older, without notifying customers."


Just saying ;-)

Not a fanboy of any, but user of all :-D

The headline doesn't really capture the whole story. They slowed down some small number of phones in certain situations to avoid shutting down without notice. The amount of "slow down" is still in question because benchmarks purposely tax the system in an unrealistic way, not necessarily what would be considered normal use.

The headline makes it sound like Apple slows down all phones because they are older. In reality, it's only some phones with compromised batteries and only in some situations.

 

[FeliApple]

Exactly 0 of my own devices and 0 of my family's devices run iOS 11. (5 of which are compatible). 2 devices run iOS 10 (compatible with iOS 11). 2 on iOS 9 (compatible with iOS 11). And 1 on iOS 8 (compatible with iOS 11).
All of them are on their original version and working flawlessly so... No thanks Apple.