iOS 11 Now Installed on 76% of iOS Devices, While Android 8 is Installed on 4.6% of Android Devices

[mib1800]

How do you know the underlying software functions without issue as opposed to functions? Quite the difference there.

Don't take the chicken way out by using strawman argument like you always do. You are the who said/supported that android has CAUSED issues without timely updates. So you show us how WeChat is not functioning or people are losing massive amount due to fraud as a result of untimely updates.

Okay. You must be oblivious to those who like ios 11. The overall forum noise in ios 11 is no different than any other ios release. As far as "slowing down your phone", rather have that than the phone shutting off as other android models, like the Nexus are purported to do. You are too much of a fanatic of an android fan to admit how prone android really is sensitivities in the configuration.

See how easy it is to rebut a pejorative straw-man argument using the original material.
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I expected you to gulliblely and blindly accept apple version of the story. Let me just ask you this. Why is it that older models always has issues (with battery or performance degradation) corresponding to yearly update?
And apple did lie that they didn't slow phone down before they were caught.

 

[TheSkywalker77]

The Android dissing fest has officially begun!!

 

[1098474]

You call Android a "family"? ROFL! The only apt analogy I can think of, off the top of my head, is that the vendors of Android devices are teenagers, and the OS is "irrelevant" to them, in the way that doing the washing up after a meal is "irrelevant" to a teenager who's anxious to go out and play with his friends; it still HAS to be done, it's still HIS JOB, but he'll avoid it at all costs, unless severely reprimanded for not helping out and being responsible for clearing up a mess he helped to make whilst being sustained by what he was fed - for free - by his parents. There are more analogies to be made here about illegitimate parents, children who are stepchildren from different parents who abandoned them... etc.

iOS devices are a morally upright child, brought up well, to be respectful and polite to those around them, making their bed properly every morning, cleaning and tidying their room, holding the door open for women, being considerate of others, making sure their loved ones are treated fairly, NOT interrupting one another in conversations and allowing one another to speak in turn, listening to what they have to say and acting lovingly by reciprocation, keeping everyone they love up to date with what's happening in their life - NOT having secrets that cause them heartache and woes later in life (sleeping around could be seen as similar to Google "giving it away for free" as regards Android, as promiscuous teenagers do, sadly)

I could probably continue this story for a while. Suffice it to say, Android is a "family" from a VERY negelected, broken home full of people who've inherited terribly damaging habits, and whom are lazy to the extreme; Android.

First off, worked for Apple (retail) 5+ years, the customers have no idea what goes on there (yourself included) the products are not superior as claimed by Apple. Don't believe me, take a trip down to Apple and sit in there for a bit, second ain't gonna argue with any Apple user, if I wanted to argue I would have stayed at Apple

Lastly if you wanna pay premium price for something you can get cheaper that runs better be my guest, hell while your at it I know a coffee place that sells $30 coffees (iCoffees) go get one they are far superior than the $3 coffees bru
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Sentences are quite complete. Seems like any "misunderstanding" might lie elsewhere.

He is not worth arguing with bro

 

[I7guy]

Don't take the chicken way out by using strawman argument like you always do. You are the who said/supported that android has CAUSED issues without timely updates. So you show us how WeChat is not functioning or people are losing massive amount due to fraud as a result of untimely updates.

You don't know if there is no fraud at all. Now do you? So your first and second "arguments" are just straw-men.

I expected you to gulliblely and blindly accept apple version of the story. Let me just ask you this. Why is it that older models always has issues (with battery or performance degradation) corresponding to yearly update?
And apple did lie that they didn't slow phone down before they were caught.

How can anything be taken seriously from a poster, who presents straw-man arguments to prove a point? Whether you believe apple lied or not, does not affect my perception of apple in the least. You can blindly accept android mobile systems were never hacked, but it's tough when one has those infamous rose colored glasses on.

 

[mib1800]

You don't know if there is no fraud at all. Now do you? So your first and second "arguments" are just straw-men.

You don't know there are frauds either. Since you are the one said (or supported) android is unsafe due to untimely updates, you are the mother of all strawmen since you stir the nest first.

How can anything be taken seriously from a poster, who presents straw-man arguments to prove a point? Whether you believe apple lied or not, does not affect my perception of apple in the least. You can blindly accept android mobile systems were never hacked, but it's tough when one has those infamous rose colored glasses on.

What you trying to say? iPhone never got hacked because it got timely updates? How to take you seriously?

Btw: I never said "hacked". I just said android without timely updates is still fit for work.

You are the one who are are doing all the fear mongering

 

[I7guy]

You don't know there are frauds either. Since you are the one said (or supported) android is unsafe due to untimely updates, you are the mother of all strawmen since you stir the nest first.

Unfortunate another Straw man deflection. You brought wechat.

What you trying to say? iPhone never got hacked because it got timely updates? How to take you seriously?

Btw: I never said "hacked". I just said android without timely updates is still fit for work.

You are the one who are are doing all the fear mongering

Sure in that vein windows me is also fit to work. Additionally Apple “lying” (your words) has no bearing on iOS. Your the one claiming android is bullet proof with your straw man about wechat. And started this with an insult to the quoted poster.

 

[Altis]

You don't know if there is no fraud at all. Now do you? So your first and second "arguments" are just straw-men.


How can anything be taken seriously from a poster, who presents straw-man arguments to prove a point? Whether you believe apple lied or not, does not affect my perception of apple in the least. You can blindly accept android mobile systems were never hacked, but it's tough when one has those infamous rose colored glasses on.

Bottom line, both iOS and Android users can be adequately safe without being on the latest release of the OS.

Heck, iOS 11 may as well be a virus to my iPhone 6 considering it permanently ruins the device for me. Even iOS 10 runs poorly on it... I'd go back to 9 if I could.

 

[mib1800]

Unfortunate another Straw man deflection. You brought wechat.


Sure in that vein windows me is also fit to work. Additionally Apple “lying” (your words) has no bearing on iOS. Your the one claiming android is bullet proof with your straw man about wechat. And started this with an insult to the quoted poster.

Wrong! You are the one who are spreading FUD that android untimely updates is doomsday scenario with users info and money compromised.

My point is that even with untimely updates we have not seen any of your FUD happening with android.

 

[I7guy]

Wrong! You are the one who are spreading FUD that android untimely updates is doomsday scenario with users info and money compromised.

My point is that even with untimely updates we have not seen any of your FUD happening with android.

Wrong. You started with the garbage about android bring safe (workable) based on a straw man about not being able to prove fraud (and ad-Homs as well.) It was a straw man because you can’t prove it and in fact can’t cite any sources to prove it. Doesn’t mean fraud isn’t happening on a large unreported scale.

 

[mib1800]

Wrong. You started with the garbage about android bring safe (workable) based on a straw man about not being able to prove fraud (and ad-Homs as well.) It was a straw man because you can’t prove it and in fact can’t cite any sources to prove it. Doesn’t mean fraud isn’t happening on a large unreported scale.

Wrong and delusional!! If fraud is happening on large scale like you said, why didn't we hear anything about? Even apple (with the means and resources to conceal) has been caught out with its cheating.

You are grasping at straws. Maybe you want to grasp more straws and say iPhone is totally safe because it has timely updates.

 

[I7guy]

Wrong and delusional!! If fraud is happening on large scale like you said, why didn't we hear anything about? Even apple (with the means and resources to conceal) has been caught out with its cheating.

You are grasping at straws. Maybe you want to grasp more straws and say iPhone is totally safe because it has timely updates.

You still cannot backup what you say so still a straw man. Cite sources as per forum rules. And stop the ad-Homs they don’t make your point valid in the least and get you unwanted attention.

The point about iPhone is a deflection. Ad-Homs, straw man and deflections are all you got. But now back to adoption rates vs wechat.
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Bottom line, both iOS and Android users can be adequately safe without being on the latest release of the OS.

Heck, iOS 11 may as well be a virus to my iPhone 6 considering it permanently ruins the device for me. Even iOS 10 runs poorly on it... I'd go back to 9 if I could.

And here it was claimed by some that iOS 10 was the pinnacle of perfection.

 

[chagla]

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Article Link: iOS 11 Now Installed on 76% of iOS Devices, While Android 8 is Installed on 4.6% of Android Devices

So?

 

[Altis]

You still cannot backup what you say so still a straw man. Cite sources as per forum rules. And stop the ad-Homs they don’t make your point valid in the least and get you unwanted attention.

The point about iPhone is a deflection. Ad-Homs, straw man and deflections are all you got. But now back to adoption rates vs wechat.

Neither of you are backing anything up, but if I gather correctly:
One is saying that the lack of timely updates makes Android a serious security hazard
Other is saying that there's no evidence to give cause for concern of Android security

Is that how it is? The general rule is those who make an assertion must back it up. However, saying you aren't aware of any evidence of something can't really be sourced -- you can't require someone to disprove your unproven assertion.

So, is there evidence that the lack of timely updates are causing a serious security hazard for Android? It's no guarantee that a lack of known issues means there is none, but it's certainly the most reasonable assumption until we know otherwise.

And here it was claimed by some that iOS 10 was the pinnacle of perfection.

Perhaps it is for other devices. Certainly not my iPhone 6. Granted, iOS 10 is at least tolerable -- iOS 11 is unforgivable on it.

 

[I7guy]

Neither of you are backing anything up, but if I gather correctly:
One is saying that the lack of timely updates makes Android a serious security hazard
Other is saying that there's no evidence to give cause for concern of Android security

Is that how it is? The general rule is those who make an assertion must back it up. However, saying you aren't aware of any evidence of something can't really be sourced -- you can't require someone to disprove your unproven assertion.

So, is there evidence that the lack of timely updates are causing a serious security hazard for Android? It's no guarantee that a lack of known issues means there is none, but it's certainly the most reasonable assumption until we know otherwise.



Perhaps it is for other devices. Certainly not my iPhone 6. Granted, iOS 10 is at least tolerable -- iOS 11 is unforgivable on it.

I'm not backing anything up nor am I claiming anything. I'm responding to this.

Maybe you are just utterly obsessed with updates that have little tangible benefits to the overall scheme of things. Security? Many of the world's largest mobile payment systems (majority running on android) still function with no issue.

Most android users go on doing their things with whatever version of Android they are on. iPhone users on the other hand divert much of their useful time to troubleshoot why (forced) updates caused their phone to slow down or become unstable.

This is called a straw man. No facts were cited, only some opinion. I asked for some citations regarding this "fact" (and this is a reportable forum rule). The citations were related to wechat and the straw man was related to the statement regarding iphones. All in all, all the original poster did was deflect on this.

As far as the iphone 6, mine is gone, but I have a 5s, 6s, 6s+, 7 and 7+ all in 11.3. They all work fine. Sorry you are not happy with the performance of your iphone 6 on ios 11.

 

[Altis]

As far as the iphone 6, mine is gone, but I have a 5s, 6s, 6s+, 7 and 7+ all in 11.3. They all work fine. Sorry you are not happy with the performance of your iphone 6 on ios 11.

Perhaps we have different standards of what constitutes "fine".

If you mean they boot and can do things, yes it's functional. However the performance and stability it does so is well below what I consider acceptable.

How is it that a modern phone that Apple only recently stopped selling can't input letters into a message without lag? It can take up to 4-5 seconds to change tracks in Music. Early iPhones could do these things with no lag... so how is a modern phone struggling with it? What could they have possibly changed in iOS to make those basic functions behave so poorly?

Thus, the world of forced/nearly-forced and permanent updates isn't always what it's cracked up to be. As others have pointed out, the adoption rate is certainly no indication of what people would choose to run if they had the choice.

 

[I7guy]

Perhaps we have different standards of what constitutes "fine".

If you mean they boot and can do things, yes it's functional. However the performance and stability it does so is well below what I consider acceptable.

How is it that a modern phone that Apple only recently stopped selling can't input letters into a message without lag? It can take up to 4-5 seconds to change tracks in Music. Early iPhones could do these things with no lag... so how is a modern phone struggling with it? What could they have possibly changed in iOS to make those basic functions behave so poorly?

Thus, the world of forced/nearly-forced and permanent updates isn't always what it's cracked up to be. As others have pointed out, the adoption rate is certainly no indication of what people would choose to run if they had the choice.

Clearly everybody has different standards.

I rarely listen to apple music so I can't comment. I have SiriusXM, which I use pretty exclusively. (although I have thought about getting apple music).

As far as imessage. No issues on any phone. Performance overall is what I would expect (and this is not due to lowering the bar as you have suggested). My buddy at work has a 6+ on ios 11.3. I have asked to him to try out his phone to see the performance, he doesn't have apple music either. I sent myself an imessage and the performance was fine without lag. Reading these threads over the years, everybody has a different experience.

 

[Altis]

Clearly everybody has different standards.

I rarely listen to apple music so I can't comment. I have SiriusXM, which I use pretty exclusively. (although I have thought about getting apple music).

As far as imessage. No issues on any phone. Performance overall is what I would expect (and this is not due to lowering the bar as you have suggested). My buddy at work has a 6+ on ios 11.3. I have asked to him to try out his phone to see the performance, he doesn't have apple music either. I sent myself an imessage and the performance was fine without lag. Reading these threads over the years, everybody has a different experience.

Sorry, but by Music I mean locally-stored. I don't have Apple Music either. The delay varies from nearly instant to 5 seconds, so it's not always obvious what's happening.

The keyboard lag seems to be mostly in QuickReply for me. It still happens from time to time in Messages, usually when autocorrect is trying to figure something out.

 

[TAJones99]

There's really is no point to analyze this, there are some many low end Android devices for people that can afford the high end. All the high end devices that are compared to iPhone all have 8.0, and that is what truly matters, if Apple did the same with their it would be the same kind of out come.

 

[mib1800]

I'm not backing anything up nor am I claiming anything. I'm responding to this.

This is called a straw man. No facts were cited, only some opinion. I asked for some citations regarding this "fact" (and this is a reportable forum rule). The citations were related to wechat and the straw man was related to the statement regarding iphones. All in all, all the original poster did was deflect on this.

As far as the iphone 6, mine is gone, but I have a 5s, 6s, 6s+, 7 and 7+ all in 11.3. They all work fine. Sorry you are not happy with the performance of your iphone 6 on ios 11.

You don't read or what?

Did you hear or read of major frauds on android due untimely updates? No. That's my evidence in itself.

But you are disagreeing, arent you? Stop being strawman by going in circles, you should show us evidence how untimely updates in android have caused major frauds.

 

[I7guy]

You don't read or what?

Did you hear or read of major frauds on android due untimely updates? No. That's my evidence in itself.

But you are disagreeing, arent you? Stop being strawman by going in circles, you should show us evidence how untimely updates in android have caused major frauds.

I've already asked for citations. You can't provide any, because what you are spouting is a straw man argument coupled with deflections.

See how the smiley face makes it nice and friendly.

 

[mib1800]

I've already asked for citations. You can't provide any, because what you are spouting is a straw man argument coupled with deflections.

See how the smiley face makes it nice and friendly.

Trying to deflect again

There are no citations since no major frauds had happened due to untimely updates.

Since you advocate the contrary which means major frauds had happened due to untimely updates on android, so there should be many citations for you to quote. Therefore stop being a strawman and show us some of the evidences

 

[BvizioN]

As if there isn't Apple bashing here? And remember, it's an APPLE site.

4% of the devices having the newest OS on Android is the PERFECT stat for one of the biggest problems with Android. It's not bashing...it's true.

Bashing is saying Tim Cook sucks, the notch notch notch, and Apple is doomed.

Had to log ON just to upvote you.

 

[I7guy]

Trying to deflect again

There are no citations since no major frauds had happened due to untimely updates.

Since you advocate the contrary which means major frauds had happened due to untimely updates on android, so there should be many citations for you to quote. Therefore stop being a strawman and show us some of the evidences

Still waiting for a citation from the original post, so far all that has been posted is deflections and many straw men. You can’t give one because you can’t prove the statement.

Now about those pathetic android stats...

 

[Ottozer0]

"but adoption has been markedly slower than iOS 10"...

wonder if the reason is...apple purposely slows things down..and people want fast phones..

but yup.. Android is really fragemented still..

 

[RicD]

Not what any of that was about at all.

Oyabrochi,
“...to a teenager who's anxious to go out and play with his friends...”. The correct word is eager not anxious. Think anxious as in anxiety, fear, dread, distraught. Anxious comes from Latin, Angere, to choke or strangle. Eager means one is looking forward to something. In English grammar using anxious for eager is a common mistake. Nothing wrong with using anxious, however in your sentence the correct English word would be eager.

Hope that helps you