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But it still in the Android family tho, so your good ;)

You call Android a "family"? ROFL! The only apt analogy I can think of, off the top of my head, is that the vendors of Android devices are teenagers, and the OS is "irrelevant" to them, in the way that doing the washing up after a meal is "irrelevant" to a teenager who's anxious to go out and play with his friends; it still HAS to be done, it's still HIS JOB, but he'll avoid it at all costs, unless severely reprimanded for not helping out and being responsible for clearing up a mess he helped to make whilst being sustained by what he was fed - for free - by his parents. There are more analogies to be made here about illegitimate parents, children who are stepchildren from different parents who abandoned them... etc.

iOS devices are a morally upright child, brought up well, to be respectful and polite to those around them, making their bed properly every morning, cleaning and tidying their room, holding the door open for women, being considerate of others, making sure their loved ones are treated fairly, NOT interrupting one another in conversations and allowing one another to speak in turn, listening to what they have to say and acting lovingly by reciprocation, keeping everyone they love up to date with what's happening in their life - NOT having secrets that cause them heartache and woes later in life (sleeping around could be seen as similar to Google "giving it away for free" as regards Android, as promiscuous teenagers do, sadly)

I could probably continue this story for a while. Suffice it to say, Android is a "family" from a VERY negelected, broken home full of people who've inherited terribly damaging habits, and whom are lazy to the extreme; Android.
 
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You call Android a "family"? ROFL! The only apt analogy I can think of, off the top of my head, is that the vendors of Android devices are teenagers, and the OS is "irrelevant" to them, in the way that doing the washing up after a meal is "irrelevant" to a teenager who's anxious to go out and play with his friends; it still HAS to be done, it's still HIS JOB, but he'll avoid it at all costs, unless severely reprimanded for not helping out and being responsible for clearing up a mess he helped to make whilst being sustained by what he was fed - for free - by his parents.
Not what any of that was about at all.
 
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Okay, so could you just clarify what you meant instead of being intentionally argumentative? Thanks.
Is that what you were trying to ask there with that roundabout passively-aggressively toned reply? A simple straightforward "what do you mean?"

If so, what I meant by what I said is that the reference to family in an earlier post was simply in the sense of someone being part of the Android userbase (beyond just a Pixel one that someone was talking about earlier).
 
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Too many OEMs selling new devices on old versions. Google needs to step in at some point and mandate that you cant be making and selling new devices with old versions of Android. Make a grace period of a few months but after that, it needs to be on the new version, if they don't want to update it then it needs to be taken off the market. Hopefully Treble helps with this since its the post to make Android easier to port from device to device.

As an Android user I want Google to have less control, not more.
 
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iOS devices are a morally upright child, brought up well, to be respectful and polite to those around them, making their bed properly every morning, cleaning and tidying their room, holding the door open for women, being considerate of others, making sure their loved ones are treated fairly, NOT interrupting one another in conversations and allowing one another to speak in turn, listening to what they have to say and acting lovingly by reciprocation, keeping everyone they love up to date with what's happening in their life - NOT having secrets that cause them heartache and woes later in life (sleeping around could be seen as similar to Google "giving it away for free" as regards Android, as promiscuous teenagers do, sadly)

Quite the delusions you've come up with regarding phones, here. o_O

"NOT interrupting one another in conversations and allowing one another to speak in turn"
> Except when iOS interrupts you mid-gesture to harass you to update, several times per day

"cleaning and tidying their room"
> Except when iOS repeatedly downloads and keeps iOS updates no matter how many times you delete it and say no

"listening to what they have to say and acting lovingly by reciprocation"
> Except when the notorious input-blocking blocks almost every follow-up input, making even the calculator app return false results if you didn't happen to notice your input blocked

"NOT having secrets that cause them heartache and woes later in life"
> Except for secretly throttling CPU based on "battery health" (even when the battery reports as "healthy" by Apple's techs) and not telling anyone, leading to slowdowns 'later in life' (though some under a year old and under warranty)

iOS is more like a kid who whines endlessly to get their way, insists everything be done their way ("icons must go at the top of each page!!!"), and despite a huge number of obvious flaws and faults, thinks they're the greatest gift to bless the world. :rolleyes:
 
So why did Google only give all it's more recent Nexus devices and the first Pixel just 2 years of O/S updates? This was, to all intents and purposes, their 'hardware' (albeit built by differing manufacturers). Even the Pixel 2 only gets 3 years (compare to Apple's current 5 years).

Because they have no desire to support their devices like Apple. Why? Maybe hardware and software isn't as important to them given their diverse business. Or they just don't care. Either works fo me.
 
Glad to be in the minority on my 6S. Sticking with 10 for the long haul...iOS 11 won't do it any favors. Could do without the giant f*cking prompts to update constantly. Apple - stop trying to upsell me and just let me live!

I wish Apple would stand down and let me click a once and for all button.. not upgrading my current devices to iOS11. I'm way beyond sick of them insisting.

You can permanently disable iOS updates by telling your iPhone to use a tvOS update site (where it won't find any iOS updates). It will never download iOS 11 again.

https://www.unlockboot.com/completely-disable-ota-updates-on-iphone-ipad/

Pretty amazing that 19% of users have chosen to live with the daily nags to install iOS 11. What does that tell you Apple?
 
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I just joined the upgraded group. The reason I delayed so long was because of concerns about app compatibility. If the apps I use won't work on the new OS I don't upgrade the OS. This is why I have not upgraded our MacBook Pros to High Sierra too. Apple really needs to improve backward compatibility. The upgrade rate would be far higher.
 
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I just joined the upgraded group. The reason I delayed so long was because of concerns about app compatibility. If the apps I use won't work on the new OS I don't upgrade the OS. This is why I have not upgraded our MacBook Pros to High Sierra too. Apple really needs to improve backward compatibility. The upgrade rate would be far higher.
The developers decide which iOS versions their apps support often based on what new functionalities a later version can provide.
 
Proud member of the 19%.

At least Apple have stopped pestering me every second day to install iOS 11 now.

Just wait... I thought so do at one stage, but nope,,, it literately snuck up on me when i wasan't looking.
 
One of the big reasons I left Android. What a complete and utter joke Android adoption is.

Maybe you are just utterly obsessed with updates that have little tangible benefits to the overall scheme of things. Security? Many of the world's largest mobile payment systems (majority running on android) still function with no issue.

Most android users go on doing their things with whatever version of Android they are on. iPhone users on the other hand divert much of their useful time to troubleshoot why (forced) updates caused their phone to slow down or become unstable.
 
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Maybe you are just utterly obsessed with updates that have little tangible benefits to the overall scheme of things. Security? Many of the world's largest mobile payment systems (majority running on android) still function with no issue.
This is a very audacious strawman comment. Well done. Got a citation for the bolded "fact", or is it just your opinion. (And I'm sure business and individuals whose systems got penetrated due to lax security updates where patches were later made available would disagree also)

Most android users go on doing their things with whatever version of Android they are on. iPhone users on the other hand divert much of their useful time to troubleshoot why (forced) updates caused their phone to slow down or become unstable.
Two other strawman comments. Android users "doing" their things, doesn't mean they are doing it, without slowdowns, battery drain, etc. Just like your belief (forced) updates slow phones down. Obviously you haven't used ios 11 on any phone. Other than the usual outliers that get reported in online forums, 11.3 is pretty darn good on every model starting from the 5s. The slowdowns were putting new o/s on 7 year old hardware, same problem android has. However 64 bit architectures seem to mitigate that as my two 5s is running very well on ios 11.
 
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This is a very audacious strawman comment. Well done. Got a citation for the bolded "fact", or is it just your opinion.

Look at WeChat in China. The value of transactions going through it probably is many folds what goes through apple pay. Nearly 9 in 10 of users in china are using android. You go figure :p

Two other strawman comments. Android users "doing" their things, doesn't mean they are doing it, without slowdowns, battery drain, etc. Just like your belief (forced) updates slow phones down. Obviously you haven't used ios 11 on any phone. Other than the usual outliers that get reported in online forums, 11.3 is pretty darn good on every model starting from the 5s. The slowdowns were putting new o/s on 7 year old hardware, same problem android has. However 64 bit architectures seem to mitigate that as my two 5s is running very well on ios 11.

Obviously you are oblivious to all the issues reported in here with iOS 11. It is now known fact apple purposely slow down your older phones with every new updates. Of course you are too fanatic of a fan to admit to that and gulliblely believe apple reason for doing it (after they got caught red handed :p )
 
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Look at WeChat in China. The value of transactions going through it probably is many folds what goes through apple pay. Nearly 9 in 10 of users in china are using android. You go figure :p
How do you know the underlying software functions without issue as opposed to functions? :p Quite the difference there.

Obviously you are oblivious to all the issues reported in here with iOS 11. It is now known fact apple purposely slow down your older phones with every new updates. Of course you are too fanatic of a fan to admit to that and gulliblely believe apple reason for doing it (after they got caught red handed :p )
Okay. You must be oblivious to those who like ios 11. The overall forum noise in ios 11 is no different than any other ios release. As far as "slowing down your phone", rather have that than the phone shutting off as other android models, like the Nexus are purported to do. You are too much of a fanatic of an android fan to admit how prone android really is sensitivities in the configuration.:p

See how easy it is to rebut a pejorative straw-man argument using the original material.:p
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Obviously you are oblivious to all the issues reported in here with iOS 11. It is now known fact apple purposely slow down your older phones with every new updates. Of course you are too fanatic of a fan to admit to that and gulliblely believe apple reason for doing it (after they got caught red handed :p )
Purposely? With every new update? Fact? Any links for that?
 
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You iPhone kids, do you not understand that iOS is too silly to even discuss ?
In the 90s it would have been a thing, today it's just an outdated toy .
 
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