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I do but I haven’t taken mine into work since the day I started working here

Try getting back into the office when there is a fire alarm test and security ask you for you id.

I my office we have to wear our photo id's all the time.
 
So can we get NFC speaker connect next please?

Wave and linked. Easy.

But until HomePods have it I guess they wont add it. And that's fairly unlikely. Rather their own chips/methods. Oh well... ;(

You can buy NFC tags and program them yourself.

Nokia had then years ago. Check on Amazon.
 
This needs to be on the Apple Watch and not so much on a drop potential, glass shatter device as the iPhone.
The vast majority of iPhone owners don't also own an Apple Watch. Fine to have it available on both devices, but limiting to the Watch means excluding a lot of people.
 
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So innovative! A feature that is 5 years behind!

Thanks apple for catching up!
 
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We use these amazing little devices, called metal keys... they're VERY cheap, use an extremely well established and tested technology called mechanical levers, and are immensely difficult to pick or bypass. Furthermore, they require NO electricity to operate, and do not require the use of a smartphone (which is handy if your battery is dead).

Let's face it - if someone wants to get in badly enough they WILL smash your door off its hinges, simple as, and your fancy schamncy NFC locks ain't gonna resist a sledgehammer! :D:D

Here's some stupid to keep you occupied:
https://readwrite.com/2017/08/16/latest-smart-lock-faso-dl1/
 
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Completely possible, but if so I'm not sure why Apple Pay would have been implemented so much sooner.
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The point of this is to reduce the number of items we carry. On the assumption that most people now have a smart phone, it's one more task an existing object can take over from separate objects (like carrying a separate phone and key card).

In some cases people will appreciate the environmental benefit that comes from eliminating millions of plastic key cards. Others will prize the reduced clutter in their pockets/thinner wallets, or the fact that they won't have an ID lanyard hanging off their necks or belts.

If you don't already have a smart phone or smart watch, this isn't likely to be the reason you finally go out and buy one. By all means, wait for the inconspicuous wearable you desire. Who knows, soon enough these things may be totally hidden subcutaneous implants that make theft/loss that much less likely. (Amidst our current craze for body piercings and tattoos, botox injections and hair implants, at least this would have a utilitarian purpose.)

Even better reason: Imagine being able to open your door by just waving your wrist at the door's NFC plate while still carrying a bunch of groceries in your hands. None of that "let me put this stuff down so I can get my keys (or phone) out of my pocket".

FYI, it has already been done, there is/was a cafe/bar in the Netherlands where people paid their drinks by touching a terminal, they had implants.
 
Uh... you have a work ID don't you?

Where I am our ID is our keycard. Heck we use the same swipes as the one in the particle picture.
Keep my work ID with my license, in my wallet. I want this feature really bad, and work already has HID readers that activate with Apple Pay
 
Money on this only being available on 2017 iPhones and newer?

At the very least, iPhone 7 or later I'd figure. iPhone 7 is needed for the Libre Freestyle app to read NFC sensors.
[doublepost=1527539147][/doublepost]In the US, from a payment point of view, if it is anything like they've done in Canada, it is restricted to the Costco aligned credit card of choice, Mastercard only. Additionally, banks will likely place a $100 limit on NFC transactions, so... good luck on a shopping trip.

I like the idea of tapping my wallet or phone on a spot for card verification, but really, there will always be staff at the front of the store ensuring people shopping together present a card. I'm stuck waiting at a line to check out, so really, getting the card out of my pocket that I presented earlier isn't that big of a thing.

Will be.
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Not all Apple employees are engineering nerds. Among the staffs you will find gardeners, HR folk, secretaries, janitors, finance folk, logistics pros, etc.

Among this large employee population there are more than enough to do fairly accurate early tests.
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Many folks are eagerly waiting for Costco to turn on its NFC POS checkout and gas pump readers.

Two to three years ago Costco began replacing its old checkout POS terminals wit NFC units. Around the same time, Costco began retrofitting it’s gas pumps with an NFC payment panel. I assume that, but don’t know if, by now that all locations have been so upgraded.

It is known that NFC POS has been in daily use at the Costco HQ store in Issaquah, WA and the “Apple HQ” Costco store in Sunnyvale, CA (also reports out of San Jose, CA).

The above are believed to be test sites for both Apple and Costco employees for instore payments but not for entry/exit control or payments at the pump.

Costco’s big challenge is how to replace entry and POS today via Costco Membership Cards and Costco VISA cards with membership info and pic on it.

By allowing a Costco card in the Apple Wallet (or less likely) a link from the Costco App to NFC, members could verify themselves on entry and simultaneously verify and pay at checkout or pump.

(As I write this, I think of the difference between TouchID and FaceID, where with TouchID multiple fingerprints from different people can be used for verification, but with FaceID only a single face can be used for verification. To my mind, it could be that such functionality may be limited to iPhone X unless Apple institutes a single “preferred” fingerprint for NFC access control.)

It could be that Apple’s opening up NFC for access control will be what is necessary for Costco to finally activate Apple Pay across its store network.

I’m looking forward to what is revealed on this topic next week.
 
We use these amazing little devices, called metal keys... they're VERY cheap, use an extremely well established and tested technology called mechanical levers, and are immensely difficult to pick or bypass. Furthermore, they require NO electricity to operate, and do not require the use of a smartphone (which is handy if your battery is dead).

Let's face it - if someone wants to get in badly enough they WILL smash your door off its hinges, simple as, and your fancy schamncy NFC locks ain't gonna resist a sledgehammer! :D:D

Here's some stupid to keep you occupied:
https://readwrite.com/2017/08/16/latest-smart-lock-faso-dl1/
By this logic, why do you drive a car when you have feet? They don't require gas or electricity to run, which is handy when your car's battery dies or if it runs out of gas. And do you have an electric garage door and opener? Most home owners do, so those of us that live in our own homes, already use a very similar technology. Did you ever contemplate that?

BTW, I have no keys. No keys for my car or my house. They aren't needed. It's old tech.
 
Disney MagicBands and RFID cards seem to be 13.56MHz - the iPhone and Watch should support them. Would be nice to not have to bring that to Disney since they already take Apple Pay as well.

I don't know if Disney would be willing to use them, though - since MagicBands also use 2.4GHz and they track you literally everywhere you go.
 
Will be.
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Not all Apple employees are engineering nerds. Among the staffs you will find gardeners, HR folk, secretaries, janitors, finance folk, logistics pros, etc.

Among this large employee population there are more than enough to do fairly accurate early tests.
[doublepost=1527468816][/doublepost]

Many folks are eagerly waiting for Costco to turn on its NFC POS checkout and gas pump readers.

Two to three years ago Costco began replacing its old checkout POS terminals wit NFC units. Around the same time, Costco began retrofitting it’s gas pumps with an NFC payment panel. I assume that, but don’t know if, by now that all locations have been so upgraded.

It is known that NFC POS has been in daily use at the Costco HQ store in Issaquah, WA and the “Apple HQ” Costco store in Sunnyvale, CA (also reports out of San Jose, CA).

The above are believed to be test sites for both Apple and Costco employees for instore payments but not for entry/exit control or payments at the pump.

Costco’s big challenge is how to replace entry and POS today via Costco Membership Cards and Costco VISA cards with membership info and pic on it.

By allowing a Costco card in the Apple Wallet (or less likely) a link from the Costco App to NFC, members could verify themselves on entry and simultaneously verify and pay at checkout or pump.

(As I write this, I think of the difference between TouchID and FaceID, where with TouchID multiple fingerprints from different people can be used for verification, but with FaceID only a single face can be used for verification. To my mind, it could be that such functionality may be limited to iPhone X unless Apple institutes a single “preferred” fingerprint for NFC access control.)

It could be that Apple’s opening up NFC for access control will be what is necessary for Costco to finally activate Apple Pay across its store network.

I’m looking forward to what is revealed on this topic next week.
Until Costco also allows mobile membership cards, Apple Pay at Costco won’t get much use.

The reason why Costco is resisting mobile membership is membership sharing. There’s nothing stopping someone from loading their membership card on their friend’s phone.
 
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Apple already uses NFC for transit in Japan, China, Russia and US and UK. I use it everyday for transit.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207154
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207958
That’s Apple Pay, to be fair. After all the nonsense about NFC being ignored and then held back by Apple, it’s frustrating to see the inevitable happening so late in the game and for consumers to have missed out on so many years’ progress. Pity those who bought existing HomePods and smart locks, and those who have been kept waiting so long for this fundamental feature.
 
Most people in the US don’t identify with this problem. We don’t enter our houses via the front door.

I assume you're suggesting everyone just comes into their house from their garage entryway? I think you have a slightly skewed idea how many people live in a house with an attached garage. Also you're assuming there's room in the garage for all vehicles. I live in a house with an attached garage but 90% of the time it's someone else parked in it and I'm parking in the driveway and entering via the front door.
 
We use these amazing little devices, called metal keys... they're VERY cheap, use an extremely well established and tested technology called mechanical levers, and are immensely difficult to pick or bypass. Furthermore, they require NO electricity to operate, and do not require the use of a smartphone (which is handy if your battery is dead).

While there are many use cases for metal keys, in an environment where you have tens, hundreds or potentially thousands of people using a door and you want to maintain a certain level of security metal keys are not feasible. Do you re-core the locks and re-key everyone everytime someone loses a key or leaves the company?

The HID solution in the photo already allows Bluetooth LE entry using a mobile credential on iOS - this rumor sounds like it would expand to allow NFC which I would expect to be a faster experience for the user as there is a slight delay in using BLE when you hold your phone up to the reader.
 
I assume you're suggesting everyone just comes into their house from their garage entryway? I think you have a slightly skewed idea how many people live in a house with an attached garage. Also you're assuming there's room in the garage for all vehicles. I live in a house with an attached garage but 90% of the time it's someone else parked in it and I'm parking in the driveway and entering via the front door.
I don’t know about that theory. I still enter through the garage door after parking in the driveway by use of a PIN pad on the door. Hell, even if I’m using the train and bus that day I enter through the garage door.
 
I don’t know about that theory. I still enter through the garage door after parking in the driveway by use of a PIN pad on the door. Hell, even if I’m using the train and bus that day I enter through the garage door.

So you run a large motorized door to enter your house rather then just opening your front door with you own arm? Wow. No comment on that one. o_O

My point is simply a large swath of the population in our country lives in dwellings besides houses with attached garages, yet you make it sound like having to use the front door is some completely foreign concept to Americans.
 
So you run a large motorized door to enter your house rather then just opening your front door with you own arm? Wow. No comment on that one. o_O

My point is simply a large swath of the population in our country lives in dwellings besides houses with attached garages, yet you make it sound like having to use the front door is some completely foreign concept to Americans.
Yes we do. And now we have the MyQ garage door opener, it’s even better to run the door from the phone when entering the house. Even when I took the train to work.

Most people on my street do the same thing, using the garage door as their main door. Even letting guests in through there instead of a front door. In fact I don’t even remember the last time I’ve used the front door. Probably 2 years ago.
 
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