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iOS 16.4.1, iPadOS 16.4.1, and macOS 13.3.1 Fix Actively Exploited Vulnerabilities

carlob said:
Where is Safari 16.4.1? I'm still on 16.4 after the update to Ventura 13.3.1
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Same here. But the update works differently on Ventura, vs. Monterey and Big Sur. On Ventura, the update is to the underlying WebKit itself. On the older systems the Safari 16.4.1 comes in, with no restart required.

Edit: On Ventura 13.3.1 the Safari build number went up a bit, though the version didn't. Again, the real difference is in WebKit.
 
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Bad news. Does NOT address the “break” in phone functionality I experienced with programmed string of numbers immediately when updating from 16.3.1 to 16.4. I’m curious how widely this is being observed. (I get different results on different phones - 12 Pro Max has this issue. Standard 12 does not.)

Knowing it is not universal, I guess I get to scrub a device and revert to a previous backup/OS (And hope Apple identifies/resolves the issue in the near future.)

Test: program a “to be dialed” phone number such as a zoom contact number (ex: 564.217.2000) Previous to 16.4, I could then put a “wait” break (“;”) followed by a series of numbers and then the requested # key (For testing, I have dropped the # key and all remaining digits/actions.) After the wait break, I put in the following series of numbers and then just wait for the input to be read back to me. “01234567890123” The read back (after a moment) with 16.4 90112233. Post update, I am getting varying results - 0112233 or 112233 -always seems to be the trailing end, and for the most part, (not always) double occurrences of all digits even though entered only once.

Open to other ideas to restore functionality. This is something I use multiple times daily so definitely impacts my experience. (And again…. “Phone” - it’s right there in the name!, if there is ONE thing that should work…)
 
I thought this kind of thing only happened in Android phones? iPhones are more secure is something that has been drilled into my head a billion times as why I should not get an Android phone. That and Android is more buggy.

I am glad they are releasing an update and fix but having the exploit active in the wild and issuing the update after the fact isn't a good look for Apple.
 
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Daedalus65 said:
Bad news. Does NOT address the “break” in phone functionality I experienced with programmed string of numbers immediately when updating from 16.3.1 to 16.4. I’m curious how widely this is being observed. (I get different results on different phones - 12 Pro Max has this issue. Standard 12 does not.)

Knowing it is not universal, I guess I get to scrub a device and revert to a previous backup/OS (And hope Apple identifies/resolves the issue in the near future.)

Test: program a “to be dialed” phone number such as a zoom contact number (ex: 564.217.2000) Previous to 16.4, I could then put a “wait” break (“;”) followed by a series of numbers and then the requested # key (For testing, I have dropped the # key and all remaining digits/actions.) After the wait break, I put in the following series of numbers and then just wait for the input to be read back to me. “01234567890123” The read back (after a moment) with 16.4 90112233. Post update, I am getting varying results - 0112233 or 112233 -always seems to be the trailing end, and for the most part, (not always) double occurrences of all digits even though entered only once.

Open to other ideas to restore functionality. This is something I use multiple times daily so definitely impacts my experience. (And again…. “Phone” - it’s right there in the name!, if there is ONE thing that should work…)
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Can you use a 2-second soft pause (",") instead? I have a number that uses soft pauses and that's still working for me. I think you can use multiple commas if 2 seconds isn't long enough.
 
doboy said:
god, irritating as hell. They couldn't hold off on the 16.4 release to incorporate this security update into it? 😡
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You want them to hold back on a security update when there are currently exploits in the wild? "We are sorry that your data was encrypted by Russian hackers but, Doboy wanted us to hold off a few days on the security patch.
neliason said:
Not me, but for most people it is, unfortunately, just a regular day.
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Where I work, top executives and ownership are working. Everyone else gets the day off. We are fairly generous about days off. We have a policy of having at minimum, one paid day off per month. If anyone needs more, they just need to ask. This has done very good things for our productivity.
 
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Technerd108 said:
I thought this kind of thing only happened in Android phones? iPhones are more secure is something that has been drilled into my head a billion times as why I should not get an Android phone. That and Android is more buggy.

I am glad they are releasing an update and fix but having the exploit active in the wild and issuing the update after the fact isn't a good look for Apple.
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The primary difference is, Apple supports their devices far longer than Android phones tend to be supported. With an Android, you may or may not get an update six months later. It's up to the manufacturer. The other big factor is, Apple is a bit more restrictive as to who they allow into their app store. Are they perfect? No. They are however better than Alphabet. One other major factor. Apple makes it's money selling devices and content. Alphabet makes it's money selling user data. This is why I will never touch a Google device if I can help it.
 
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Gator5000e said:
First update I can remember where after I tapped download and install the update installed without making me tap install now again.
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They need an option that says, "Download the software, install it, then shut the system down." I hate waiting around for all of my computers and devices to finish the installation. I usually do it at the end of the day when everyone else has shut down.
 
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RalfTheDog said:
The primary difference is, Apple supports their devices far longer than Android phones tend to be supported. With an Android, you may or may not get an update six months later. It's up to the manufacturer. The other big factor is, Apple is a bit more restrictive as to who they allow into their app store. Are they perfect? No. They are however better than Alphabet. One other major factor. Apple makes it's money selling devices and content. Alphabet makes it's money selling user data. This is why I will never touch a Google device if I can help it.
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I don't know any major Android OEM that doesn't update their products for less than two years. Most current OEM'S give 4 OS upgrades and 5 years of security patches.

After 5 years most people who own Android phones will upgrade and even more are likely to do it at the 3-4 year mark.

In terms of data harvesting at least you know where you stand with Alphabet. The software is open source and audited by many 3rd parties to see what it actually does.

With Apple, like Microsoft you have no idea what the software is doing behind the scenes because it is proprietary and can't be audited by 3rd parties so you have to take Apple's word. Apple has been looking to expand there profit center's beyond hardware for years now and is developing alternative revenue streams besides just selling hardware. Look at all the services they sell. Your Safari browser uses Google search by default so all of your data through searches is already going to Alphabet or Google anyway.

The whole notion that Apple is more private and more secure is just marketing. While to a certain degree Apple is more private and sometimes more secure it is not the wide margin it used to be.

I am not saying iOS is bad or fundamentally insecure. I think iOS is great but we are at the mercy of Apple, Alphabet and the active work they do in an ongoing battle to compromise our devices. It is true because of market share that Android has a larger attack surface than iOS and at the moment at least you can side load apps only on Android but that last part may change.

Bugs happen on both platforms as do zero day vulnerability.

Gone are the days where one could say which is absolutely more secure.

I am not trying to disrespect Apple as I have and love several of their products but a trillion dollar company should be able to afford to be in front of these security threats and not behind them, specially as their marketing has for years claimed superiority in terms of security.
 
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Technerd108 said:
I thought this kind of thing only happened in Android phones? iPhones are more secure is something that has been drilled into my head a billion times as why I should not get an Android phone. That and Android is more buggy.

I am glad they are releasing an update and fix but having the exploit active in the wild and issuing the update after the fact isn't a good look for Apple.
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Ah...you're expecting 100.0% perfection 100.0% of the time with respect to OS software developed by humans.

Best to switch to Android devices where that goal is surely met.
 
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citysnaps said:
Ah...you're expecting 100.0% perfection 100.0% of the time with respect to OS software developed by humans.

Best to switch to Android devices where that goal is surely met.
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You sarcasticly made my point.

All I was saying is that nothing is 100% secure.

Use what you like because you like it not because of a false sense of security.
 
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