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iOS 16.4.1, iPadOS 16.4.1, and macOS 13.3.1 Fix Actively Exploited Vulnerabilities

doboy said:
god, irritating as hell. They couldn't hold off on the 16.4 release to incorporate this security update into it? :mad:
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It's possible that the security update was written by a separate team, and the issue was not known in time for integration into the .4 update. It's not easy, writing software as complex as an operating system. Plus there's the idea that 'programming is easy', and it *can* be, but all jokes aside, it's pretty complicated to 'just throw that update into the already shipping update'.

And, heck, I remember Microsoft 'patching NT4', and reintroducing their customers to previously squashed bugs. THAT was a lot of fun there... Yippee...
 
Technerd108 said:
I thought this kind of thing only happened in Android phones? iPhones are more secure is something that has been drilled into my head a billion times as why I should not get an Android phone. That and Android is more buggy.

I am glad they are releasing an update and fix but having the exploit active in the wild and issuing the update after the fact isn't a good look for Apple.
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No one should be thinking iOS is bug-free or 100% secure when nearly every update includes bug fixes and security patches. No software is perfect.
 
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doboy said:
Don't know how much time is wasted updating 7-8 devices then update them again a week later due to incompetency. Plus wasting time to make sure that the update didn't screw up my privacy and security settings.
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Not even Apple can fix everything at the same time or know every vulnerability. We’re all in the same boat as you, doboy, so oh boy, just calm down and carry on updating. What else ya gonna do, stick with a 2007 original iPhone because updating is just too hard? Oh woe is me, doe is me, do is boy, a doboyo.

Also if you want to know how much time is wasted updating, turn on the stopwatch and tell us, it will be a useful stat from you other than this moaning and woe-ning.

I started all the updates about an hour ago, then went to have shower, and now it’s all done. Do the same and you’ll go from doboy to doneboy.
 
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Paddle1 said:
No one should be thinking iOS is bug-free or 100% secure when nearly every update includes bug fixes and security patches. No software is perfect.
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Maybe people on here should be a little more mindful of that when they trash other platforms?
 
Technerd108 said:
I don't know any major Android OEM that doesn't update their products for less than two years. Most current OEM'S give 4 OS upgrades and 5 years of security patches.

After 5 years most people who own Android phones will upgrade and even more are likely to do it at the 3-4 year mark.

In terms of data harvesting at least you know where you stand with Alphabet. The software is open source and audited by many 3rd parties to see what it actually does.

With Apple, like Microsoft you have no idea what the software is doing behind the scenes because it is proprietary and can't be audited by 3rd parties so you have to take Apple's word. Apple has been looking to expand there profit center's beyond hardware for years now and is developing alternative revenue streams besides just selling hardware. Look at all the services they sell. Your Safari browser uses Google search by default so all of your data through searches is already going to Alphabet or Google anyway.

The whole notion that Apple is more private and more secure is just marketing. While to a certain degree Apple is more private and sometimes more secure it is not the wide margin it used to be.

I am not saying iOS is bad or fundamentally insecure. I think iOS is great but we are at the mercy of Apple, Alphabet and the active work they do in an ongoing battle to compromise our devices. It is true because of market share that Android has a larger attack surface than iOS and at the moment at least you can side load apps only on Android but that last part may change.

Bugs happen on both platforms as do zero day vulnerability.

Gone are the days where one could say which is absolutely more secure.

I am not trying to disrespect Apple as I have and love several of their products but a trillion dollar company should be able to afford to be in front of these security threats and not behind them, specially as their marketing has for years claimed superiority in terms of security.
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The core OS for Alphabet is OS, not all of the software. Each phone company, ATT, Verizon, whatever, add their own software to the OS that may or may not be secure. Quite often that software can not be deleted from the phone without a jailbreak and that software is quite likely not going to be getting security updates.
 
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RalfTheDog said:
The core OS for Alphabet is OS, not all of the software. Each phone company, ATT, Verizon, whatever, add their own software to the OS that may or may not be secure. Quite often that software can not be deleted from the phone without a jailbreak and that software is quite likely not going to be getting security updates.
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Apps that cellular vendors ad are sandboxed unless they are on the system partition.

People should buy unlocked phones anyway. All the crap all the cell providers ad is garbage anyway and generally a user can uninstall it.

Of course you can use adb bridge and uninstall system apps too including Samsung apps or Google apps you don't want. Can't do that on iOS without jailbreak.

And I believe you are referring to AOSP not Alphabet OS.
 
Since iOS 16.4 and now 16.4.1 my 14 Pro has never had so many bugs! Just doesn’t seem to be running as smooth as it did before. Plus I have an alarm set for 6am, and for some reason it’s just gone off at 4:55am! And I don’t have an alarm set for that time 🤦‍♂️
 
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Technerd108 said:
Apps that cellular vendors ad are sandboxed unless they are on the system partition.

People should buy unlocked phones anyway. All the crap all the cell providers ad is garbage anyway and generally a user can uninstall it.

Of course you can use adb bridge and uninstall system apps too including Samsung apps or Google apps you don't want. Can't do that on iOS without jailbreak.

And I believe you are referring to AOSP not Alphabet OS.
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You can remove any application from an iPhone. You can even remove the one used to make calls.
 
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Technerd108 said:
Typical attitude.

Might as well include FreeBSD and Linux too while you are at it. If it isn't what I use then it sucks. Lol
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Who said I didn’t use Android or Windows? I use them under protest as part of my job, but I use them very competently, tyvm. All personal stuff is Apple though, has been for years. Ya gotta be careful makin’ assumptions there Technerd108, could come back to bite ya in the butt. I use Android and Windows and yeah, they suck. The various flavors of Linux I’ve used… some with Parallels Desktop 18 as virtual machines, others well before that… they suck too. When one’s first computer was in the late 70s, as mine was, you get to know a few things, almost always from pure experience. But you go on and make assumptions, nerds who don’t RTFM tend to do that, although in your specific case I have no idea and won’t make any assumptions, you’re a nerd among billions and thus your experience could be anything. I will reiterate though that Android AND Windows continue to be disappointing operating environments. Macs and iPhones aren’t perfect but for me, they’re vastly more enjoyable to use than Androids and Windows devices.
 
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19callum93 said:
Since iOS 16.4 and now 16.4.1 my 14 Pro has never had so many bugs! Just doesn’t seem to be running as smooth as it did before. Plus I have an alarm set for 6am, and for some reason it’s just gone off at 4:55am! And I don’t have an alarm set for that time 🤦‍♂️
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Could be the ghost of Scott Forstall? Luckily I’ve never had an alarm ghost. Most bugs I’ve encountered have either been during the beta process, or outside. Hopefully your experience is isolated and will be fixed by a restart, but if not, 16.4.2 and the eventual 16.5 awaits, before iOS 17 takes us for a ride in the Apple Buggy once more! :)
 
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segfaultdotorg said:
I refuse to pay for an iPhone until they include the classic Cingular ringtone as the default, since they chose Cingular as their preferred carrier.
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Why don’t you just get a ringtone maker - or something like iMazing that I think includes one, and just create it yourself? Cingular has been singularly relegated to the dustbin of history, you’ve got as much chance of that ringtone ever coming to iPhone as iOS legally running on a Samsung.
 
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alexonline said:
Who said I didn’t use Android or Windows? I use them under protest as part of my job, but I use them very competently, tyvm. All personal stuff is Apple though, has been for years. Ya gotta be careful makin’ assumptions there Technerd108, could come back to bite ya in the butt. I use Android and Windows and yeah, they suck. The various flavors of Linux I’ve used… some with Parallels Desktop 18 as virtual machines, others well before that… they suck too. When one’s first computer was in the late 70s, as mine was, you get to know a few things, almost always from pure experience. But you go on and make assumptions, nerds who don’t RTFM tend to do that, although in your specific case I have no idea and won’t make any assumptions, you’re just another nerd among billions and thus your experience could be anything. I will reiterate though that Android AND Windows continue to be disappointing operating environments.
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Actually you proved my point again. You don't use it personally and say you use it under protest. I guess I should have been more specific and said instead of what you use, what you prefer to use. My assumption that you are projecting your personal opinion and saying something sucks because it isn't what you prefer to use is very correct but I will agree I could have explained or worded that better. I was just trying to get to the point.

You do know that Apple used a lot of BSD for a while in their micro architecture and that Darwin which was an open source project was used for a long time as a part of the OS and is still a part of the source code? So I guess you think MacOS sucks too? Or am I making assumptions again?

I never questioned your competence , just your opinion. I can understand where you are coming from. I have not always been a fan of any computing environment and tend to be rather agnostic towards them all because they are all flawed just like human beings. I don't choose one side just because it is more polished. I don't mind text editors or a lack of gui. I use what works best for me at the moment in time it works best and use multiple platforms like you at the same time. I may prefer a Mac as a main computer or an Android phone as my main phone or use whatever old computing system my work wants to use. But I am too old to cheer for one side and jeer at another because at the end of the day their is no environment that sucks or is great. They are mixed. There are strengths and weaknesses to MACoS, Windows, Linux, iOS and Android. It just depends what you are doing.
 
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