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This is incorrect.
The phone could always do 15 W through MagSafe since the day it was released.
Outside of that, it could do 7.5 W for regular wireless chargers that didn’t have magnetic alignment.
Qi2 adds magnetic alignment to the QI standard, therefore now more third-party chargers can do 15 W charging.
QI2 products only started shipping last quarter.
It’s not the magnetic alignment that makes it capable of 15W charging, it was an artificial limit because MagSafe IS Qi charging but the only difference is that it had magnets, also other Android phones are capable of 7.5W+ charging with Qi standard so…
 
it was an artificial limitation, i wasn’t expecting Apple to remove it but i’m also not going to praise them for doing so
Honest question, did the Qi2 standard of 15w charging exist when the 12 was released?
 
Honest question, did the Qi2 standard of 15w charging exist when the 12 was released?
Don’t know, and don’t care. If a device is capable, a new feature should be implemented in IOS updates for that device as well as for newer ones.
 
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Honest question, did the Qi2 standard of 15w charging exist when the 12 was released?
It wasn’t, but other Android phones were capable of high speed charging with the first Qi standard at the time so it’s clearly not a standard limitation but an arbitrary one set by Apple
 
That’s where 15.8.3 comes in… But obviously eventually 15 will stop being supported.
And what do you think Apple should do then? Because if you say “just stop signing iOS 15 altogether”, then we are at the exact same spot we are now, bar some extra time.

Say, an iPhone 7. iOS 10 is no longer supported. What do you think? Should Apple allow iOS 10.3.4 on the 7 series?
 
Don’t know, and don’t care. If a device is capable, a new feature should be implemented

terrible take.

it was an artificial limitation

not by choice, no.

iPhone 12 came out years before Qi2 was finalized. apple can't simply turn it on in code and call it a day. apple has to go through a recertification process to enable old devices to work full speed with Qi2. once Qi2 is happy, they'll certify the phone and then apple can push out an update after. apple paid engineers to redo the certification for Qi2 at no cost to you. they could have said screw it, we never promised 15W qi2 charging and instead make them buy a newer iPhone but they decided to recertify iPhone 12.

customers are so ungrateful these days...
 
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It’s not the magnetic alignment that makes it capable of 15W charging, it was an artificial limit because MagSafe IS Qi charging but the only difference is that it had magnets, also other Android phones are capable of 7.5W+ charging with Qi standard so…
Incorrect, magSafe also has special NFC chips to actually make it work properly.
The MagSafe chargers also run firmware, which is why they receive firmware updates.
Apple didn’t allow 15W over regular QI1 charging because, compared to 7.5 W and compared to magnetic alignment, it is extremely inefficient.
Even the slightest off-center matchup between the coils and you’re not getting the full 15 W.
Android manufacturers might not care, but Apple certainly does.
 
And what do you think Apple should do then? Because if you say “just stop signing iOS 15 altogether”, then we are at the exact same spot we are now, bar some extra time.

Say, an iPhone 7. iOS 10 is no longer supported. What do you think? Should Apple allow iOS 10.3.4 on the 7 series?
I don’t think Apple should sign versions of iOS with known vulnerabilities.

So, 16.7.7.
 
A video about this topic was actually posted today, comparing an iPhone XS running iOS 12.1.2 to an iPhone XS running 17.4.1
Results were pretty much inconclusive, but at best 17.4.1 ran faster at times, and at worst, the slowdown was anywhere from 1.5% to 9%.
Certainly not as catastrophic as people are trying to make it sound.
 
A video about this topic was actually posted today, comparing an iPhone XS running iOS 12.1.2 to an iPhone XS running 17.4.1
Results were pretty much inconclusive, but at best 17.4.1 ran faster at times, and at worst, the slowdown was anywhere from 1.5% to 9%.
Certainly not as catastrophic as people are trying to make it sound.
Keyboard lag, occasional glitches. The main issue is battery life today. But still, use it long enough, and those little issues start to appear. Apps aren’t as smooth, occasional lag, etc.

Comparing launch times is like comparing constant keyboard speed. It may lag occasionally, but most of the time it will run well. It’s not the best test.

Extensive use will show way more differences. Differences in battery life mainly, and differences in constant performance otherwise. A 4-minute comparison comparing app launch times and scrolling response hasn’t been relevant since Apple obliterated the iPhone 4 on iOS 7, or the 4s on iOS 9.
 
All of the devices that support 16 of course.
Obviously, eventually, iOS 15 will get dropped., you can only support something for so long before it becomes more costly than it’s worth.
But you said this: “And that is where me and you disagree.
Downgrade to an older version? Sure.
If you want to run 15.8.2 on the iPhone 13, you should absolutely be able to.
15.0? Known exploits and vulnerabilities, bugs and issues? Absolutely not.”

Now you’re saying that Apple’s current approach is okay...

Also keep in mind that I don’t care at all about support. Support the final version of every iOS version with the most recent “””“security”””” updates, currently supported or otherwise.

I don’t ask Apple to support any iOS version ad infinitum. I don’t care. I want Apple to sign the IPSW. Whether that’s iOS 15.7.7 or iOS 15.0, I don’t care. Sign something.
 
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