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In what area of computer performance is this not true? Are you saying this is unique to iPhones?

Heck, the battery life of my portable drill suffers if I pull too many heavy bolts in succession, but it thrives when I use it to assemble furniture from IKEA.

Newer software is typically heavier for slower processors, so they use more power. Is this a scandal? Rarely, as was the case for me with my 6S, iOS 12 increased performance from the prior version, but maybe that just means iOS 11 was a dog.

(EDIT: Sorry mods. I thought my sarcasm was clear with the “Apple sheep” comment but I got the message)
Yes. All of this is true. Apple is at fault because they offer no solution. They don’t allow downgrading, they oftentimes force some devices to be updated. If you force a one-way ticket to an obliterated version, you’re at fault.

So you either:

-Make updates run as good as original iOS versions in ALL aspects, OR:

-Allow downgrading to any version I want, anytime.

There’s no other valid solution.
 
How does this work? If a battery theoretically holds 60% of what it did as new, how are you getting the same battery life from it?

From 100% charge to 0% you have the same exact on time as you did at 100% battery health? I’ve understood that the “bucket” gets smaller so it can’t possibly hold the same amount as before.
The original iOS versions are so ridiculously efficient that health doesn’t matter. Don’t ask me why. I don’t know. I know this goes against logic. But try it. You will be surprised.
 
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Why'd you only quote the last sentence? I wrote that they "almost always" denying any wrongdoing, not that they always deny wrongdoing.

Your example about Wells Fargo admitting wrongdoing shows that I am correct that they don't always deny wrongdoing.
if you're going to quote yourself, quote the whole part: "almost always include a statement about denying any wrongdoing."

your post surrounds the inclusion of the statement of no wrong doing. you seem to now want to effectively say "almost always deny any wrongdoing."

regardless, your new direction you're taking this argument makes your original response practically moot. had they fought a better case, they would have nailed Apple to admit wrongdoing without a much of a haircut to the final settlement amount. it seems to me that Apple had a good chance to win the case but the ongoing bad PR made Apple want to settle to make it all go away.
 
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There’s no comparison between a (late) feature addition, and the constant aspect that has plagued iOS since the beginning: update far enough and battery life and performance suffer tremendously.

I couldn’t care less whether this worsening is intentional. Maybe it isn’t. But I don’t care, what I care about is that it happens. iOS updates obliterate devices eventually.
I just gave my sister my old iPad 5, after it served for years as my dad’s iPad when I got my mini.

You either don’t understand what you’re talking about on a technical level and rely on the also technically illiterate press, or you’re purposely misunderstanding battery chemistry and degradation.

🤷‍♂️
 
The Xs. Battery life on iOS 17 is significantly worse than on iOS 12. The 5s on iOS 12 is significantly worse in both aspects when compared to iOS 7. Undeniable.
??? iPhone 5s came out in 2013. iOS 12 came out in 2018. So you're talking about an SoC that is five years older than the OS. New versions of the OS are made to showcase the latest SoC not SoCs from five years ago. That's no different than new PC video games showcasing the latest GPUs instead of GPUs from five years ago. That's the way it works.

That said, I'm noticing you're not providing any specific information about what "significantly worse" is supposed to be. Basically, all you're doing is indulging in the fantasy that software is supposed to work exactly the same with older hardware as it does with newer hardware...which has never been a thing in computing.
 
I just gave my sister my old iPad 5, after it served for years as my dad’s iPad when I got my mini.

You either don’t understand what you’re talking about on a technical level and rely on the also technically illiterate press, or you’re purposely misunderstanding battery chemistry and degradation.

🤷‍♂️
The fact that they may tolerate it doesn’t mean it’s good.

I know people using the iPad Mini 1 on iOS 9, doesn’t mean it’s good.
 
??? iPhone 5s came out in 2013. iOS 12 came out in 2018. So you're talking about an SoC that is five years older than the OS. New versions of the OS are made to showcase the latest SoC not SoCs from five years ago. That's no different than new PC video games showcasing the latest GPUs instead of GPUs from five years ago. That's the way it works.

That said, I'm noticing you're not providing any specific information about what "significantly worse" is supposed to be. Basically, all you're doing is indulging in the fantasy that software is supposed to work exactly the same with older hardware as it does with newer hardware...which has never been a thing in computing.
Now you’re understanding. If you can’t make iOS 12 run as good as iOS 7, allow downgrading. Otherwise, you’re forcing malware onto your devices. (You being Apple, of course).

Significantly worse: keyboard lag, dropped frames, General OS slowness, abhorrent battery life (50% worse on the iPhone SE on iOS 15 when compared to iOS 9 with a new battery, unusable when degraded).
 
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Yes. All of this is true. Apple is at fault because they offer no solution. They don’t allow downgrading, they oftentimes force some devices to be updated. If you force a one-way ticket to an obliterated version, you’re at fault.

So you either:

-Make updates run as good as original iOS versions in ALL aspects, OR:

-Allow downgrading to any version I want, anytime.

There’s no other valid solution.

"-Allow downgrading to any version I want, anytime."

And if those previous versions have security/privacy-related exploits that are fixed in subsequent versions, you'd still be OK with downgrading to those security/privacy flawed versions and taking personal responsibility for any adverse consequences?
 
Now you’re understanding. If you can’t make iOS 12 run as good as iOS 7, allow downgrading. Otherwise, you’re forcing malware onto your devices. (You being Apple, of course).

Significantly worse: keyboard lag, dropped frames, General OS slowness, abhorrent battery life (50% worse on the iPhone SE on iOS 15 when compared to iOS 9 with a new battery, unusable when degraded).
It's exactly the opposite: downgrades wouldn't have the latest security updates.

Per iPhone SE, here's a video that compares all three generations battery life running iOS 15. All three phones have brand new batteries. Gen 1 (2016) runs for 5:01, Gen 2 (2020) runs for 5:26 and Gen 3 (2022) runs for 7:48.

In general, gaming apps drain the Gen 1 at a faster rate than other types of usage vs other generations. But there's surprisingly little difference ultimately between Gen 1/2 running iOS 15.

 
"-Allow downgrading to any version I want, anytime."

And if those previous versions have security/privacy-related exploits that are fixed in subsequent versions, you'd still be OK with downgrading to those security/privacy flawed versions and taking personal responsibility for any adverse consequences?
I don’t update anything already. Absolutely. Give me a disclaimer if you like. Make me sign a digital agreement. Whatever you like. But let me downgrade.
 
It's exactly the opposite: downgrades wouldn't have the latest security updates.

Per iPhone SE, here's a video that compares all three generations battery life running iOS 15. All three phones have brand new batteries. Gen 1 (2016) runs for 5:01, Gen 2 (2020) runs for 5:26 and Gen 3 (2022) runs for 7:48.

In general, gaming apps drain the Gen 1 at a faster rate than other types of usage vs other generations. But there's surprisingly little difference ultimately between Gen 1/2 running iOS 15.

Sure, iOS 9 on the SE was almost at the level of the 6s Plus. Far worse (with normal usage, I don’t care about benchmarks). Also, batteries that aren’t at 100% suffer a lot on iOS 15.
 
Also it's pretty ironical Apple pushes Qi2 upgrade to iPhone 12, yet limits 80% charging limit and battery cycle count to iPhone 15

You can get the cycle count with 3rd-party software such as coconutBattery.
 
I don’t update anything already. Absolutely. Give me a disclaimer if you like. Make me sign a digital agreement. Whatever you like. But let me downgrade.

I think that would be fine for people who have a tech background and could truly weigh the pro/cons of suffering future adverse security/privacy consequences.

But Apple's user base is not predominately made up of tech-savvy people. Rather, they're ordinary working people (librarians, police officers, grocery store clerks, musicians, retail store workers, real estate agents, teachers, etc, etc) who do not have the expertise to make that call.

Apple has a duty to not let inexperienced people suffer security/privacy harms as a result of reloading a flawed downgraded OS. Imagine the enormous public outcries if tens of thousands of Apple customers suffered such harm.
 
I think that would be fine for people who have a tech background and could truly weigh the pro/cons of suffering future adverse security/privacy consequences.

But Apple's user base is not predominately made up of tech-savvy people. Rather, they're ordinary working people (librarians, police officers, grocery store clerks, musicians, retail store workers, real estate agents, teachers, etc, etc) who do not have the expertise to make that call.

Apple has a duty to not let inexperienced people suffer security/privacy harms as a result of reloading a flawed downgraded OS.
“Ordinary people”, like you say, wouldn’t know how to download an IPSW. Problem is already solved.

Apple just needs to sign the damn IPSW so that iTunes doesn’t error out. No other changes required.
 
“Ordinary people”, like you say, wouldn’t know how to download an IPSW. Problem is already solved.

Apple just needs to sign the damn IPSW so that iTunes doesn’t error out. No other changes required.
And that is where me and you disagree.
Downgrade to an older version? Sure.
If you want to run 15.8.2 on the iPhone 13, you should absolutely be able to.
15.0? Known exploits and vulnerabilities, bugs and issues? Absolutely not.
 
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