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I would expect further refinements to StageManager in the same way that SlideOver, SplitScreen, and the Multitasking view were iterated until they were pretty great in iPadOS-15.
 
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all because people wanted to sideload their apps to download Goldeneye 64 rom illegally to play on their iPhone.
1% loud minority ruins the experience for the 99%.
I agree with your sentiment 100%, however I don't think it's the users' fault this time, rather the confused EU policy on policies (pardon for the repetition but it gets the idea across).
No matter what, the EU seems to be in love with the theme of globalization, no matter the area in which they operate.
One megastate without borders, one legal system, one coordinated police monitoring system, one cable (USB-C), one global agricolture policy, one shared policy on drug use and now all OS' to allow sideloading.
Basically less difference between all things.
They also don't know what side to take on...on one side they do some half-decent privacy laws with regards to data, on the other hand they're constantly trying to outlaw end-to-end encryption for messaging apps.

Of course my comment is a bit satirical and it looks like I'm against EU, while in fact I'm still glad to live within the union.
It's just that sometimes they seem a bit too overzealous when it comes to unifying everything into one system, and discouraging diversity (paradoxically).
I mean EU, let iOS be iOS...we don't need any Android features.

Also not dissing Android itself, I find it very cool there are 2 different OSs with 2 radically different phylosophies.
If I were a tinkerer (I'm not), I'd 100% get a Pixel 7.
But let Android be Android and iOS be iOS.
 
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Follow the rules, get approved in 24 hours. Not hard.

I get that and for 99% of developers it is that way. But what about the original Google Voice app Apple blocked at the request of AT&T? The recent stories of how Twitter has constantly had to fight for approval because every other week some app reviewer realizes it can be used to find ”inappropriate content.”?

My point is that as sole creator and arbiter of the rules, Apple can technically do whatever it wants and nobody can stop it, and they have used app review as a weapon in the past.

I understand that it’s their platform and they own it, but AT&T made the same argument about the telephone system and I think we can all agree it’s better that AT&T is not the sole arbiter of that.
 
Is this iPhoneOS 17 or iPadOS 17? They should really just call them both iOS so we don't get these confusing headlines.

Yeah blame Apple for that. They are the same thing. It was a bad idea to change the names. I think Apple did that to indicate that they were going to accelerate iPad development. That obviously did not happen.
 
Strange, with the whiner and complainer crowd, I am running developer betas of all OS's and don't see any bugs. so where are all these bugs that are supposedly so prevalent? it is a mystery
For real. Im a regular user and i dont see what these bugs people on this website are complaining about. Not saying they dont exist but havent come accross any.
 
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iOS 17 should be the year of fixing and improving autocorrect and Siri. far more useful and important than anything else they can add and easily the weakest bits of the software.
 
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here's how it's going to happen

- alternate app stores for EU happen
- 1 year passes by, but no major developer makes a serious effort
- pro-sideloaders look at that and say "see! all those who were against it have nothing to worry about, Microsoft/Google/Adobe/Activision aren't leaving the stores, you guys worried about nothing"

- then US passes the law too, alternate app stores happen in USA
- Microsoft/Google/Adobe/Activision pull their apps to force users to download their stores
- These stores offer a poor UX (no automated iCloud backups, separate notification background services = battery hog, uses up too much memory, etc...)

all because people wanted to sideload their apps to download Goldeneye 64 rom illegally to play on their iPhone.

1% loud minority ruins the experience for the 99%.
Dude. But how sick would Goldeneye on my phone be??

I do 100% agree with your points though.
 
I really hope they focus on Siri and more QoL updates, it's so bad I don't use it. I don't notice any bugs or performance issues.
 
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here's how it's going to happen

- alternate app stores for EU happen
- 1 year passes by, but no major developer makes a serious effort
- pro-sideloaders look at that and say "see! all those who were against it have nothing to worry about, Microsoft/Google/Adobe/Activision aren't leaving the stores, you guys worried about nothing"

- then US passes the law too, alternate app stores happen in USA
- Microsoft/Google/Adobe/Activision pull their apps to force users to download their stores
- These stores offer a poor UX (no automated iCloud backups, separate notification background services = battery hog, uses up too much memory, etc...)

all because people wanted to sideload their apps to download Goldeneye 64 rom illegally to play on their iPhone.

1% loud minority ruins the experience for the 99%.
And CS on alternates will be garbage. You will have to call and go through the seven circles of hell scripts to possibly even cancel.
 
What to expect? I expect Safari to open the link I tap on the first time, not needing to go back to another app to tap a link again. I expect iCloud to actually sync up in a timely fashion, let alone at all. I expect the Music app to get the promised Classical Music integration.

Things work fine, but should work better. And if Apple’s promising features, I expect them.
 
Oh man the wait is gonna be painful. Over ten years I waited for alternative app stores/sideloading. It's about damn time.
I don't think Apple's version of alternative stores is what you'd expect, tho. As in, there will not be sideloading or switching around, just different walled gardens to comply with country/region-specific legal requirements.
 
I recently installed Acrobat Reader on my Mac. Downloaded it directly from Adobe and "sideloaded" it. What utter crap! It installed tons of stuff, including autostarted processes. And there is no uninstall option. I had to spend an hour to clean up the mess. Stuff that won't happen on iOS and the App store.
I'm curious what "tons of stuff" it installed? I've installed Acrobat Reader as well and the only thing I got was...Acrobat Reader and a single startup item (presumably some applet that phones home, checks for updates, etc).

Normally I avoid installing stuff on my Mac from corporations. They often have motives that don't align with mine. For example I would never ever install Zoom on my Mac, but I have it installed on my iPad since I trust the rules in the App store. I would never ever install Zoom (or anything) from any alternative App store on the iPad or iPhone.
Personally I feel sorry for people who get so bent out of shape over what some app installs. This intense obsession with privacy is unhealthy, especially considering that privacy is a total illusion in the digital age. Your ISP, your phone company, just about every website your visit...they're all tracking you, collecting data, etc. I've been online since the 80s and I have yet to personally experience any ill effects from all this data tracking. I don't like it. It rubs me the wrong way, but, in the end, it has no impact on my life.

If Apple allows alternative app stores, I hope that Apple takes the opportunity to purge 90% of the apps and only include apps that Apple themselves like. With alternative app stores, developers have alternatives and are not entitled to the Apple store. A benefit for customers with a better quality store. Bad for developers though; they will have to try harder.
When Apple allows alternative app stores... It's coming, for sure in the EU and soon after everywhere else. I'm fine with Apple maintaining a strictly curated App Store. If developers don't want to meet Apple's requirements, they can use other stores or sell direct. The consumer can decide if they want to buy those apps or not. This is how a free(-ish) market works.

In my opinion, the Apple App Store is full of garbage. Despite Apple's drumbeat of privacy, privacy, privacy, tons of App Store apps tract everything you do, sell your data, etc. Apple doesn't inspect the code or have a clue what any of these apps are doing. It's all smoke and mirrors.
 
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I get that and for 99% of developers it is that way. But what about the original Google Voice app Apple blocked at the request of AT&T?

Gruber updated that article saying it was purely Apple's decision.

The recent stories of how Twitter has constantly had to fight for approval because every other week some app reviewer realizes it can be used to find ”inappropriate content.”?

Largely unconfirmed and/or missing details. Rules specifically state for social media apps requiring moderation which is subjective. That could be the reason.

My point is that as sole creator and arbiter of the rules, Apple can technically do whatever it wants and nobody can stop it, and they have used app review as a weapon in the past.

There's a reason why Apple can't charge 50%/50% right now. Plenty of developers will leave in masses. The market is speaking and so far 15-30% + Apple's rules are fine.
 
Strange, with the whiner and complainer crowd, I am running developer betas of all OS's and don't see any bugs. so where are all these bugs that are supposedly so prevalent? it is a mystery

Ventura is atrocious with bugs and "features" which just don't work. The only mystery to me is how people use this OS all day long.
 
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