iOS 17 Compatible With iPhone XS and Newer, Available in Beta Today

[TVreporter]

Guessing this is the last MacOS update for an Intel Mac. Laughably Apple offers me $220 for my 2019 27-inch 512GB iMac. Thanks Tim with your generosity!

Make a new one and maybe we’ll talk!

 

[Student of Life]

No more love for my iPhone 8 Plus 256. It still has plenty of power left.

If it still works and the battery is ok, no need to replace it unless you want a new phone or the new features. It's not going to magically stop working.

 

[JonathanX64]

It obviously is not about hw capabilites. It's about planned obsolescence. They gotta to make some money from people upgrading.

But honestly 6 years worth of upgrades and support is pretty good score.

As much as I dislike Apple Incorporated, this simply isn't true. A12 was a huge leap in performance compared to A11. Nothing surprising here. Like A9 back in the day.

And I believe XS / XS Max will get iOS 18 as well.

 

[3530025]

As much as I dislike Apple Incorporated, this simply isn't true. A12 was a huge leap in performance compared to A11. Nothing surprising here. Like A9 back in the day.

And I believe XS / XS Max will get iOS 18 as well.

Well the new features of the iOS 17 definitely do not justify the need for much more powerful CPU or GPU... From the technical standpoint there is not any feature that would justify such need. The only explanation apart from planned obsolescence would be inefficiency of the new OS if it really requires better HW with such minor feature upgrades.

Also Apple could disable certain new OS features if it would really like to support order HW in case more powerful CPU is truly needed to run smoothly.

Disclaimer: as I wrote before - I really think 6 years of support plus additional year(s) of security updates is great score and I don't blame them for ending the support for iPhone X right there.

 

[SBlue1]

Are we going to get people crying their 6 year old iphone doesn't get a free update?

It’s not „free“, people paid upfront quite a lot of money, they can expect upgrades for some years.

 

[saudor]

still going to keep my 8+. it’s more than enough for what I do and none of the features jump out. will likely continue to stay on big sur and ios15 on all my devices.

 

[chickeneaster]

so, they should drop the prices...

Absolutely! But they probably won't because money 😜

 

[technole]

The thumbs-down fest two months ago when most of us said iPhone 8/X was done. Pepperidge farm remembers. Yet Macrumors wanted to believe a single poster over tried-and-true sources and iOS developers. The follow-up XS will get a few more years, if not several because the A12 jump, probably won't see anymore left out for awhile.

 

[practicein2021]

And I believe XS / XS Max will get iOS 18 as well.

Based on what? Just because they have A12? What features in iOS 17 you saw in the presentation really needed more power than what A11 could provide? Maybe only VoiceMail-to-Text - but they could easily limit that one feature to more powerful devices and give the new update to all iPhones running iOS16.

I really think they are cutting support for major updates after 5 years. Maybe there are some exceptions in rare cases but I expect iOS17 be the last major update for iPhone XR, XS and XS Max.

 

[winxmac]

I admit that I got iPadOS 17 supported devices wrong but I was right that iOS 17 will be for A12 Bionic devices and newer...

 

[TigerNike23]

There’s no way iOS 15 will still get updates after 17 is released, right?

My point being your iPhone or iPad is likely to stop getting security updates in roughly a year under this setup.

 

[JonathanX64]

Well the new features of the iOS 17 definitely do not justify the need for much more powerful CPU or GPU... From the technical standpoint there is not any feature that would justify such need. The only explanation apart from planned obsolescence would be inefficiency of the new OS if it really requires better HW with such minor feature upgrades.

Also Apple could disable certain new OS features if it would really like to support order HW in case more powerful CPU is truly needed to run smoothly.

Disclaimer: as I wrote before - I really think 6 years of support plus additional year(s) of security updates is great score and I don't blame them for ending the support for iPhone X right there.

They could be laying groundwork for future development here. They could be improving security (more virtualisation / isolation, etc). Also tons of new APIs, and tons of stuff that relies on ML like offering HomePod transfer when you usually do that and such.

A lot of iOS 16 features was disabled on iPhone X, by the way, like text recognition, object recognition and such.

For some reason, people usually downplay specs in Apple devices («it just works» ******** and all that), but I believe that specs is the most important thing to look out for in iPhone. And if people want to have really long-lasting iPhones, they should buy the ones with drastically improved processors compared to predecessor. Like iPhone 6s back in the day, or iPhone Xs. iPhone 12 was also a decent improvement.

A17 Bionic on that new TSMC 3nm node is going to be quite something, probably.

 

[I7guy]

It's great the max gets one more year. Maybe hold out for the iphone 16.

 

[winxmac]

There’s no way iOS 15 will still get updates after 17 is released, right?

My point being your iPhone or iPad is likely to stop getting security updates in roughly a year under this setup.

iOS 12 still got updated even when iOS 16 was released...

23 Jan 2023 - iOS 12.5.7
18 May 2023 - iOS 15.7.6 and iPadOS 15.7.6

Source

 

[svish]

Sad to see iPhone X not getting the update. Still a wonderful iPhone!!

 

[Juanj]

Now the dev portal is online. OTA is not working for MacOS

I can only download restore images, how to install a restore image on Mac OS?
The MacOS 14 file, is also an ipsw file.

OTA does work for iOS 17, but it appeared just a few minutes ago

 

[DeepIn2U]

Yes, to be fair, the iPhone 8 has been an exceptional device. Only 5 updates and not the best battery life, but rock solid performance until the last moment.

Now my only hope is that Assistive Access arrives to iPhone 8 because it will make it a great device for an older person.

Agreed. I loved the iPhone 8 the 2yrs I owned one - to me it spiritually gave the camera design that leaked in a deep-matte-blue iPhone 7 that never was.

Also felt better in the hand when the X debuted with it and FaceID was much too slow on its original version.

 

[_Spinn_]

No too surprising to see older devices not make the cut.

 

[gopo]

Well the new features of the iOS 17 definitely do not justify the need for much more powerful CPU or GPU... From the technical standpoint there is not any feature that would justify such need. The only explanation apart from planned obsolescence would be inefficiency of the new OS if it really requires better HW with such minor feature upgrades.

Also Apple could disable certain new OS features if it would really like to support order HW in case more powerful CPU is truly needed to run smoothly.

Disclaimer: as I wrote before - I really think 6 years of support plus additional year(s) of security updates is great score and I don't blame them for ending the support for iPhone X right there.

5 years - A11 bionic... iPad 6th gen - A10 still suported

 

[mat1696]

As much as I dislike Apple Incorporated, this simply isn't true. A12 was a huge leap in performance compared to A11. Nothing surprising here. Like A9 back in the day.

And next year when they’ll drop A12 I bet I’ll see you saying that « A13 was a huge leap in performance compared to A12. Nothing surprising here »… new features on this update are so small that it does not justify the drop of A11 at all… Eventually they could have disabled some machine-learning based features for these phones but they could still easily support iOS 17… when you are in the Apple ecosystem it’s really complicated to have a device on an older iOS version, except if you keep all other devices on the same version. And even worst: if someone bought an Apple Watch Ultra and have an iPhone 8/X they simply won’t be able to upgrade their brand new Apple Watch unless they change their phone.
This choice is just business to encourage people to buy a new phone (and reading comments in here show it seems to work), that’s all. Stop trying to justify what just can’t be justified.

And for the ones comparing with Android, just know that Android updates are not like iOS updates: Google updates apps independently from the OS, as well as Google Plays Services which give improvements to the OS itself and its apis. So yeah 2017 Android phones likely won’t support latest Android version, but they still get updates to have latest apps versions and do not lag behind in the Google ecosystem…

 

[AppleMango]

Grandparents got my iPhone X with a new battery just last year.

So sad to read they won’t get the update. But does that mean we have to change phones? Or will iOS16 still be good and updated and apps working?

It was my first ever apple product. I’m emotionally attached to that phone somehow… just don’t want it to go. And they love it. Using Face ID and Apple Pay… very cute to see.

 

[Juanj]

Now the dev portal is online. OTA is not working for MacOS

I can only download restore images, how to install a restore image on Mac OS?
The MacOS 14 file, is also an ipsw file.

OTA does work for iOS 17, but it appeared just a few minutes ago

Nobody?

 

[bniu]

And next year when they’ll drop A12 I bet I’ll see you saying that « A13 was a huge leap in performance compared to A12. Nothing surprising here »… new features on this update are so small that it does not justify the drop of A11 at all… Eventually they could have disabled some machine-learning based features for these phones but they could still easily support iOS 17… when you are in the Apple ecosystem it’s really complicated to have a device on an older iOS version, except if you keep all other devices on the same version. And even worst: if someone bought an Apple Watch Ultra and have an iPhone 8/X they simply won’t be able to upgrade their brand new Apple Watch unless they change their phone.
This choice is just business to encourage people to buy a new phone (and reading comments in here show it seems to work), that’s all. Stop trying to justify what just can’t be justified.

And for the ones comparing with Android, just know that Android updates are not like iOS updates: Google updates apps independently from the OS, as well as Google Plays Services which give improvements to the OS itself and its apis. So yeah 2017 Android phones likely won’t support latest Android version, but they still get updates to have latest apps versions and do not lag behind in the Google ecosystem…

A11 to A12 was a pretty big jump. The A11’s neural engine was pretty gimped with only 2 cores, didn’t even support 3rd party apps. It was only used for I think Photo facial recognition, Face ID, and those Animojis.

A12’s neural engine was the real deal. It had 8 cores, could run over 8X the speed of the A11’s, and fully supported 3rd party apps.

A13 was an incremental improvement over A12, and even A14 was another incremental improvement over A13.

 

[Juanj]

Never mind, the setting in Software Updates was still on Ventura... would have been nice, if they told us that..

Remains strange that the build on the dev portal, is now an ISPW for Mac..

 

[saber32au]

Sad to see iPhone X not getting the update. Still a wonderful iPhone!!

Agree!!!

Luckily it appears the vast majority of apps (that I’ve downloaded on my phone such as Youtube, Google Maps, Outlook etc) can be run on older iOS versions.

Most common being iOS14 (a few apps stated iOS15).

You also get security updates for a few more years…

So there’s no reason why folks can’t continue running the X or 8 or 8+ for a few more years yet....