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This is not true, maybe don’t get your info from oil funded denialists?
Maybe don't make gross assumptions or you look like a fool? Plant something in a pot and weigh it. Water it and keep it alive over a year and weigh it again. Where did the extra mass come from? Carbon sequestering in the plant's mass. Plants grow by converting CO2 into mass and oxygen. It's basic 7th grade science.

Trees cannot release what they do not contain. That's just dumb. They're not balloons holding onto a gas. Once they take in CO2, it's immediately converted into carbon based mass and oxygen output into the atmosphere.

Here’s some facts.
Let's see, there are better temperatures for growing plants now, there are more plants now, there are more animals eating those plants and growing and exhaling CO2, warmer temperatures means more water in the oceans which means there's an increase in the carbon cycle of the ocean as well. So yeah, there's a sharper increase in the last 100 years of warm climate than the 100 years immediately after the last global minimum. What's the point? We must have carbon in the atmosphere or the planet dies. Period. The fun part is that there's no theoretical ceiling because the planet is really good about keeping the levels optimal for the existing ecosystem. The warmer it gets, the more habitable land exists, the more animals that exist, the greater the CO2 there is, the more plants can grow and re-sequester that carbon. Yes it will be warmer than it is now. Big deal. That just means more of the tundra becomes arable land for producing food and habitation.
 
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Apple is already invested into mapping technology, so they know where power generation is happening. Hydroelectric dams, coal furnaces (yuck!), wind, solar, nuclear. This data is available in a geographic format, so when combined with your location, they can make educated estimations. They are likely working with electrical companies to get data, too.

Our province is all hydro and wind, so it's already "clean", I'm guessing. I wonder how this feature will work for us? No forecasts at all?
You know those turbines don't turn just by wind alone, right? "Clean" is propaganda, just like carbon credits. Also, plants consume carbon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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You know those turbines don't turn just by wind alone, right? "Clean" is propaganda, just like carbon credits. Also, plants consume carbon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wind turbines don’t turn by wind alone? There are leprechauns living in there?

Clean is not propaganda. Every energy source has its advantages and disadvantages. There are metrics to determine these kinds of things. It’s not random people on the internet deciding out of the blue what is clean and not.
 
Is another cryptocurrency Ted Talk about to begin?
“According to a recent report by Money, experts believe that some societies will be cashless in just five years. Of the first 15 countries predicted to become cashless, seven are in Europe. So read on to find out if you’re living in one of them.” — Black Swan Capital July 16 2021

The Digital Currency which is being planned and implemented around the world is unlike the crypto mined in some parents garage using electricity “borrowed” from several neighbors.

ALL Digital Currency transactions will be tracked in real time via instruments such as FedNOW. Unfortunately this real time tracking opens the door to transactions being denied even if the two parties wish to conduct business with each other.
 
The people who say the exact thing as you just did believe that our government literally controls the weather and has been causing all the apocalyptic flooding across the world this summer.

But now we “don’t have any effect”.

This is a childish view of the world and science, we have been pumping out giga tons of greenhouse gases into our relatively thin atmosphere for almost 200 years now. Where do you think it all goes? There isn’t a carbon fairy who magically makes it all go away.

Anyways, facts about the climate and our contribution to it aren’t hard to come by, some people just choose to deny them due to their politics, which is mostly an American thing.
No it’s in Germany and other countries as well.
Maybe don't make gross assumptions or you look like a fool? Plant something in a pot and weigh it. Water it and keep it alive over a year and weigh it again. Where did the extra mass come from? Carbon sequestering in the plant's mass. Plants grow by converting CO2 into mass and oxygen. It's basic 7th grade science.


Trees cannot release what they do not contain. That's just dumb. They're not balloons holding onto a gas. Once they take in CO2, it's immediately converted into carbon based mass and oxygen output into the atmosphere.


Let's see, there are better temperatures for growing plants now, there are more plants now, there are more animals eating those plants and growing and exhaling CO2, warmer temperatures means more water in the oceans which means there's an increase in the carbon cycle of the ocean as well. So yeah, there's a sharper increase in the last 100 years of warm climate than the 100 years immediately after the last global minimum. What's the point? We must have carbon in the atmosphere or the planet dies. Period. The fun part is that there's no theoretical ceiling because the planet is really good about keeping the levels optimal for the existing ecosystem. The warmer it gets, the more habitable land exists, the more animals that exist, the greater the CO2 there is, the more plants can grow and re-sequester that carbon. Yes it will be warmer than it is now. Big deal. That just means more of the tundra becomes arable land for producing food and habitation.
Thats false. CO2 in the atmosphere has a huge impact on our planet. There are several problems but eg the CO2 concentration has a huge impact on our temperatures. Thats because a CO2 molecule can absorb infrared radiation and radiate it again in another direction. H2O is way better in it, but it sets if there is too much of it in the air.

Thats how CO2 can keep infrared radiation at our planet and heat it up.

The second problem is exactly what you‘re talking about. Our Oceans absorb a lot of CO2 by binding it into Carbonic Acid (H2CO3). Thats all fun and games, until this starts to raise the acidity of the oceans and the ocean life starts to get affected by it. Less planctonic life could get a huge problem for us.

Also Plants dont thrive on carbon alone. Eg the rising temperatures are causing deserts to grow. Whole regions dry out. As a plant you cant live with carbon alone, it there is no water left.
 
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Thats false. CO2 in the atmosphere has a huge impact on our planet. There are several problems but eg the CO2 concentration has a huge impact on our temperatures. Thats because a CO2 molecule can absorb infrared radiation and radiate it again in another direction. H2O is way better in it, but it sets if there is too much of it in the air.
I never said it had a minimal impact. I said the planet would warm. As it is. As it would be if we didn't exist. As it does every time it cycles out of an ice age.

The second problem is exactly what you‘re talking about. Our Oceans absorb a lot of CO2 by binding it into Carbonic Acid (H2CO3). Thats all fun and games, until this starts to raise the acidity of the oceans and the ocean life starts to get affected by it. Less planctonic life could get a huge problem for us.
Except if the planet is warming and the ice caps are melting, the increase in water volume will keep the acidity down. This isn't the first time the planet has been through this and there was more life in the ocean the last time it happened than there is now.

Also Plants dont thrive on carbon alone. Eg the rising temperatures are causing deserts to grow. Whole regions dry out. As a plant you cant live with carbon alone, it there is no water left.
I never said they thrived on carbon alone. I said carbon sequestering was where the majority of their mass came from. Yes rising temperatures could cause the deserts to grow. It could also trigger the re-greening of those deserts. The area around Egypt was very green about 5-6000 years ago and very suddenly went desert. There will also be the releasing of the tundra areas for plant growth which nets quite a bit of plant potential over those millions of square miles of untouched land.
 
Cool, you got me on that one. Now go back further. The maximum level we've recovered from strata (I think) was over 500 ppm and we had giant plant life during that time. If we drop below 150 ppm, life on the planet collapses and ceases to be. Mathematically humans account for approximately 2 ppm of the total over the last 1000 years' increase. The rest is the planet doing what the planet does.

You seem to believe that if plants can exist then so can humans. You are emotionally bound to this issue because it’s been made into a political one, that’s why you’re so wrong about this. At one time, your political party actually believed in climate change and actually wanted to do something about it.

Facts don’t care about your feelings right? Well they don’t care about your opinions, or your politics.

The facts prove we have caused a huge spike in a short time of greenhouse gasses and the Earth is warming and has already reached a tipping point. I trust the vast majority (like virtually all of them) of scientists who have proven these things over the propaganda that comes out of oil funded pr firms.
 
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Maybe don't make gross assumptions or you look like a fool? Plant something in a pot and weigh it. Water it and keep it alive over a year and weigh it again. Where did the extra mass come from? Carbon sequestering in the plant's mass. Plants grow by converting CO2 into mass and oxygen. It's basic 7th grade science.

I’m not making assumptions you’re literally copy/pasting from the denialist handbook. Always deflecting and talking about how more co2 is good for plants, stuff like that, when it’s a half truth designed to minimize the reality of the situation.


Trees cannot release what they do not contain. That's just dumb. They're not balloons holding onto a gas. Once they take in CO2, it's immediately converted into carbon based mass and oxygen output into the atmosphere.

You are mis-informed.


Let's see, there are better temperatures for growing plants now, there are more plants now, there are more animals eating those plants and growing and exhaling CO2, warmer temperatures means more water in the oceans which means there's an increase in the carbon cycle of the ocean as well. So yeah, there's a sharper increase in the last 100 years of warm climate than the 100 years immediately after the last global minimum. What's the point? We must have carbon in the atmosphere or the planet dies. Period. The fun part is that there's no theoretical ceiling because the planet is really good about keeping the levels optimal for the existing ecosystem. The warmer it gets, the more habitable land exists, the more animals that exist, the greater the CO2 there is, the more plants can grow and re-sequester that carbon. Yes it will be warmer than it is now. Big deal. That just means more of the tundra becomes arable land for producing food and habitation.

This is incredibly false, and un-scientific. We are already causing insect life, ocean life, and land based life forms to die off. If one wants to partake in this debate they should at least be knowledgeable of basic facts, science, and world events.


“Big deal” you say as humanity goes extinct.

 
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You seem to believe that if plants can exist then so can humans. You are emotionally bound to this issue because it’s been made into a political one, that’s why you’re so wrong about this. At one time, your political party actually believed in climate change and actually wanted to do something about it.

Facts don’t care about your feelings right? Well they don’t care about your opinions, or your politics.

The facts prove we have caused a huge spike in a short time of greenhouse gasses and the Earth is warming and has already reached a tipping point. I trust the vast majority (like virtually all of them) of scientists who have proven these things over the propaganda that comes out of oil funded pr firms.
I love your propensity for assumptions. It just proves who you are.

If we've reached the tipping point, then none of this matters, we're finished. That's what reaching the tipping point means. But we've reached the next tipping point about every ten years since the 50s and haven't actually tipped. In fact, I believe next year we reach AOC's tipping point that she first predicted and we've passed every tipping point that Al Gore has ever put forth.

What I seem to believe, what the science actually shows, if you care to actually read, which you don't seem to be able to actually do, is that the climate is going to do what it's going to do, with or without us, and we do not and cannot dramatically alter it. Not by mere gas emissions. What I believe, and the science shows, is that we're expending vast amounts of effort and money trying to get the climate to stop doing what it's going to inevitably do. We're coming out of an ice age and we've not reached global equilibrium yet as far as climate and atmospherics are concerned.

My political party? Sir you have no idea what my politics are and my politics only touch on climate when someone wants to take my money and pocket it while spouting some excuse about carbon footprints. The only one denying climate change is the one who thinks they can keep it from doing so. Which isn't me.

The facts prove that we've only attributed between 5 and 7% of the current spike in greenhouse gases. The rest are from the planet itself warming and releasing its own sink as it does so. Both in the increase in plant and animal life and the warming of the water that causes it to release it's CO2 and dissolve limestone deposits which release more. What you aren't taking into consideration is that the more plant and water sources there are, the more in-take and sequestering of carbon happens as well. Your article below even says that. It also doesn't mention anything about trees releasing CO2 when they die. As I said.

To your final comment on your other reply, isn't human extinction what you want? That's the only actual answer your side provides. Everything else is a stop-gap until we remove population.
 
Mathematically humans account for approximately 2 ppm of the total over the last 1000 years' increase.
The facts prove that we've only attributed between 5 and 7% of the current spike in greenhouse gases.
Your facts seem to be whatever number that you make up in an individual post. For reference, the last ice age ended around 10,000 years ago.

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Your facts seem to be whatever number that you make up in an individual post. For reference, the last ice age ended around 10,000 years ago.

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And yet an ice age isn't considered ended until temperatures return to average normal, which we've not achieved yet. The end of the last ice started approximately 10,000-13,000 years ago, but we are still in the tail end of that ending.

Oh look, a graph that shows the CO2 levels past a million years. Oh look again, the levels were considerably higher than they are now.

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And yet an ice age isn't considered ended until temperatures return to average normal, which we've not achieved yet. The end of the last ice started approximately 10,000-13,000 years ago, but we are still in the tail end of that ending.

Oh look, a graph that shows the CO2 levels past a million years. Oh look again, the levels were considerably higher than they are now.

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So you changed the topic. And provided a graph that doesn't actually show what you say it shows.
 
I love your propensity for assumptions. It just proves who you are.

If we've reached the tipping point, then none of this matters, we're finished. That's what reaching the tipping point means. But we've reached the next tipping point about every ten years since the 50s and haven't actually tipped. In fact, I believe next year we reach AOC's tipping point that she first predicted and we've passed every tipping point that Al Gore has ever put forth.


I don’t have to “assume” anything, you’ve made it clear that you don’t believe in the science and instead believe in political rhetoric, as shown by your statements, and bringing up AOC and Al Gore.

What I seem to believe, what the science actually shows, if you care to actually read, which you don't seem to be able to actually do, is that the climate is going to do what it's going to do, with or without us, and we do not and cannot dramatically alter it.

Nice, so not only have you made it clear that the only “science” that you are aware of is corporate funded junk science, you think others who are well versed in these matters can’t read or comprehend things.

Its a fact that humans have drastically altered the Earth in the last few hundred years, and that we’ve drastically increased the levels of atmospheric greenhouse gasses. These are irrefutable facts, the greenhouse effect is as real as gravity, when you cause a huge spike in greenhouse gasses in a short timeframe it causes warming of the Earth. We have countless examples of this all around the world, the oceans and our lands are getting hotter and hotter every year. You are simply wrong, mis-informed, and spreading false information. Your politics won’t save you or anyone else, denial won’t stop deadly heat waves, crop losses, deforestation, etc.


Not by mere gas emissions. What I believe, and the science shows, is that we're expending vast amounts of effort and money trying to get the climate to stop doing what it's going to inevitably do. We're coming out of an ice age and we've not reached global equilibrium yet as far as climate and atmospherics are concerned.

We’re barely doing anything at all, don’t mistake corporate greenwashing for governments actually doing what needs to be done. The oceans are becoming dead zones for sea life, right now, the ice caps are melting at a staggering rate, right now, animal life is going extinct, right now, deadly heat is happening, right now.



My political party? Sir you have no idea what my politics are and my politics only touch on climate when someone wants to take my money and pocket it while spouting some excuse about carbon footprints. The only one denying climate change is the one who thinks they can keep it from doing so. Which isn't me.

You’re mistaking greenwashing for real and meaningful action. Corporations, especially the oil companies, have spent a lot of money to make it seem like we can solve the problem if we all just recycle and buy Teslas. Of course there’s nothing wrong with individuals doing things like that, it’s just that a planet on the verge of runaway heating needs drastic, global efforts by governments and corporations. If there is time left, nothing you and me do at home is going to save us, we will need to drastically cut back emissions and sequester co2 and methane from the atmosphere.

The facts prove that we've only attributed between 5 and 7% of the current spike in greenhouse gases. The rest are from the planet itself warming and releasing its own sink as it does so. Both in the increase in plant and animal life and the warming of the water that causes it to release it's CO2 and dissolve limestone deposits which release more.

No.

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What you aren't taking into consideration is that the more plant and water sources there are, the more in-take and sequestering of carbon happens as well. Your article below even says that. It also doesn't mention anything about trees releasing CO2 when they die. As I said.

Plants and the ocean have a limit, and ocean water warms slowly and cools slowly, where are you getting these added plant and water sources from? The higher ocean temps are doing things like releasing methane from the sea floor which is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.


To your final comment on your other reply, isn't human extinction what you want? That's the only actual answer your side provides. Everything else is a stop-gap until we remove population.


I don’t know what wacky conspiracies you’re pushing here, but it isn’t “my side” that is lying about scientific facts which will eventually cause the human race to go extinct. My side, whatever that is, is the side that’s trying to save humanity. You haven’t seen anything yet, you think covid was the last pandemic? Tropical diseases are spreading northwards, and hotter temps make it easier for animal diseases like those seen in bats to spillover into humans. Between disease, and famine from crop failures, it’s bad times ahead and not only are we doing little to avert it, we have to fight through a tsunami of mis-information spread by the petro-chemical industry with their army of lobbyists, pr firms, politicians, and hoodwinked citizens that parrot their lies.
 
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And yet an ice age isn't considered ended until temperatures return to average normal, which we've not achieved yet. The end of the last ice started approximately 10,000-13,000 years ago, but we are still in the tail end of that ending.

Oh look, a graph that shows the CO2 levels past a million years. Oh look again, the levels were considerably higher than they are now.

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Let me ask you this, where do you think all the emissions from cars/planes/powerplants go?
 
So you changed the topic. And provided a graph that doesn't actually show what you say it shows.
I ignored an idiotic pseudo-point and addressed the other point you brought up. I mean do none of you who keep using that graph stop to wonder why it stops where it does?
 
I ignored an idiotic pseudo-point and addressed the other point you brought up.
The "idiotic pseudo-point" where you made up completely different numbers in two different posts?

I mean do none of you who keep using that graph stop to wonder why it stops where it does?
Did you ever consider that your graph is focused on a time frame when humans didn't even exist? It has nothing at all to do with our conversation. It's nothing but a distraction.
 
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