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This makes about as much sense as Microsoft automatically setting all the power options in Windows to be the most conservative, least performant, including -- in an absolutely *insane* default -- to automatically turn off Bluetooth after a minute. There was a lot of hair pulled before I figured out this was the problem, because there isn't any scenario in the entire world where I would think this would even have been an option that someone was told to take the time to code, make a UI for, and merge into Windows. The only possible reason would be to save literally ONE PENNY of electricity, at the expense of making Bluetooth... COMPLETELY USELESS. Well done, guys. And now I see the insanity is spreading. It's not enough that we have to go over every device with a fine-toothed comb for security, opting out of spying, and blocking ads. Now we have to go through the options to make sure that they're not "helpfully" being invisibly and silently hobbled against their intended, normal usage by companies who want to report to their investors that they've saved a collective X number of kilowatt hours by their pernicious power settings.
 
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so for example in California, there is the CA ISO and they can provide you to the minute where the power in CA is coming from, they have a public website for that.
Seems like a waste of resources that could be put to improving the grid...
 
It’s quite baffling to see so many hostile reactions towards any step a company makes on reducing their footprint, or when they support customers on doing the same. Totally on board to watch out for greenwashing, but this here is legit.
Apple isn't reducing their own footprint; they're attempting to lessen yours. Which inevitably isn't going to work because most people aren't charging their devices off peak hours. So it's a useless feature.


“I’m not doing anything because an African river is polluted” Any idea how ignorant this sounds? Most likely coming from an inhabitant of the world’s second biggest greenhouse gases emitter.
You know that the planet is greener now than it has ever been since we've been able to see it via satellite imagery? No? Maybe look into it. The more carbon there is in the atmosphere, the healthier and more abundant foliage there is.


I know everything needs to be a culture war these days in the US, but there is something called science that can explain to you what the anthropogenic greenhouse effect is. Not accepting this as fact is as delusional as being a flat earther. You might not agree with how society tries to address these issues, but it doesn’t make the scientific underpinnings less true.
Yes and if you actually paid attention to said science you'd know we're still coming out of the Mini Ice Age and have not reached global equilibrium yet, hence the warming trend. Humans account for, at most, 5-7% of that heating, which isn't detrimental to literally anything, including us. Yes ecosystems will change, but that's always been the case and to say we can stop it is actually denying the science.
 
I still don’t understand how this is supposed to work like how do you even know where your electricity is coming from unless you have your own solar on the roof

Most people in the US get their power from a grid-connected building. There are three grids (east, west, Texas). It’s that easy.

The fact that you buy “green power” from your utility is an accounting trick. US consumers just get the blend of power from one of these three grids. Solar on the roof of a grid connected home goes to the grid, and not to your personal appliances.
 
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Everything is a trade-off in this world. Apple has made it mandatory for Tim to fly private for security and efficiency purposes.

You can debate this, but it’s definitely true Apple stock would tank if something happened to Tim.

What you can’t do is use this as an excuse to not take any action yourself.
there's no debating the math. believing this is actually anything but a drop in the ocean is innumeracy.
 
Apple isn't reducing their own footprint; they're attempting to lessen yours. Which inevitably isn't going to work because most people aren't charging their devices off peak hours. So it's a useless feature.

You know that the planet is greener now than it has ever been since we've been able to see it via satellite imagery? No? Maybe look into it. The more carbon there is in the atmosphere, the healthier and more abundant foliage there is.

Yes and if you actually paid attention to said science you'd know we're still coming out of the Mini Ice Age and have not reached global equilibrium yet, hence the warming trend. Humans account for, at most, 5-7% of that heating, which isn't detrimental to literally anything, including us. Yes ecosystems will change, but that's always been the case and to say we can stop it is actually denying the science.

But that's my entire point: Apple IS reducing their own footprint. They spent 20 minutes on it during their events. That's why it's not virtue signalling. An example would be if Exxon Mobile would come up with this (which they most likely will).

I've worked over a decade as a researcher in the field of ecology, and you're absolutely right the planet is now greener than 20-30 years ago. That has several causes: rise in CO2 is indeed wellknown, but there's also the warmer climate in many regions, the intensified use of nitrogen and very importantly: more intensely managed land including human reforestation efforts and intensive cropping areas in China and India. Also, don't forget that a chopped down forest will most likely still be green on satellite imaging as it's converted to pastures and crops. While having an entire ecological impact. So green is not always green.

Climate scientists are well aware of the mini ice age, as they discovered and explained it. Your statement about the global equilibrium not being reached as an explanation of the current steep rise in global temperatures in incorrect. The anthropogenic greenhouse effect has been established as a well understood scientific fact over a decade ago. Current climate change cannot be explained by natural phenomena alone. Greenhouse gases from human activities are responsible for approximately 1.1°C of warming since 1850-1900. That's far more than the 5-7% you mention.
 
well, I think it is part of excellent grid management, and being transparent about it is even better
It's not, though. They're not switching off power from one source and switching to another. If there are coal or nuclear plants, they keep producing. They don't shut down for you to get "clean" power from the wind farm on the coast. Power is always a blend. All this code does is let them decide when you charge to maximize profits. Much like average billing and allowing your power company to have access to your thermostat on your house.
 
there's no debating the math. believing this is actually anything but a drop in the ocean is innumeracy.
Have you calculated how many power plants we could shut down if we spread our collective energy demand more evenly? I'm definitely interested in the math.
 
You know that the planet is greener now than it has ever been since we've been able to see it via satellite imagery? No? Maybe look into it. The more carbon there is in the atmosphere, the healthier and more abundant foliage there is.

If that were true, then I guess we’d want to go back to the old London when you couldn’t see across the street the smog was so thick. They called it pea soup fog. Treating that - the worst of our pollution through the earliest industrializations of cities and countries, seems to have come to an end right as the first satellite images were available (those were 1959)… so…… what you’re offering here is evidence that runs contrary to the point you’re trying to make.

Or maybe it’s greener because we stopped that. And we also went through massive REforestation efforts.
 
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If that were true, then I guess we’d want to go back to the old London when you couldn’t see across the street the smog was so thick. They called it pea soup fog. Treating that - the worst of our pollution through the earliest industrializations of cities and countries, seems to have come to an end right as the first satellite images were available… so…… what you’re offering here is evidence that runs contrary to the point you’re trying to make.
Carbon dioxide is not visible in the air. You're conflating 2 different things. Particulates in the air from wood or coal fires is not what we're talking about. We're talking about carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere which people seem to think is exceptionally high when it's at one of the lowest levels in over 15,000 years according to the science. Carbon dioxide is what power plants predominately produce, not smoke or particulates.
 
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Have you calculated how many power plants we could shut down if we spread our collective energy demand more evenly? I'm definitely interested in the math.
Are you speaking globally or in the US? There's not much of a way we could spread it globally. The cost in transmission lines and transformer stations alone would bankrupt the planet.
 
Carbon dioxide is not visible in the air. You're conflating 2 different things. Particulates in the air from wood or coal fires is not what we're talking about. We're talking about carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere which people seem to think is exceptionally high when it's at one of the lowest levels in over 15,000 years according to the science. Carbon dioxide is what power plants predominately produce, not smoke or particulates.
When coal is burned… a massive resource in the UK, and the subject of my example and the cause of the fog… it produces… carbon dioxide. The fact it’s dirty is a separate byproduct. 1 pound of coal burnt produces 2.07 pounds of CO2. Continue though. You might be on the verge of an epiphany.

And regarding a different comment about nuclear plants… nuclear is clean. As clean as we can currently get with the highest yields. It’s byproduct is water vapor.
 
When coal is burned… a massive resource in the UK, and the subject of my example and the cause of the fog… it produces… carbon dioxide. The fact it’s dirty is a separate byproduct. 1 pound of coal burnt produces 2.07 pounds of CO2. Continue though. You might be on the verge of an epiphany.

And regarding a different comment about nuclear plants… nuclear is clean. As clean as we can currently get with the highest yields. It’s byproduct is water vapor.
You were talking about wood or coal fires from before satellites were invented. Meaning they weren't clean burning like they are now. Your coal plants are no longer putting out particulates. They only put out steam and CO2. Hence why the smog went away. That's the only change they've made. They're still putting out the same amount of CO2 as they ever have.

Nuclear is clean in that it doesn't consume coal or petro products. It still produces CO2 as a by-product as well as steam.
 
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You were talking about wood or coal fires from before satellites were invented. Meaning they weren't clean burning like they are now. Your coal plants are no longer putting out particulates. They only put out steam and CO2. Hence why the smog went away. That's the only change they've made. They're still putting out the same amount of CO2 as they ever have.

Nuclear is clean in that it doesn't consume coal or petro products. It still produces CO2 as a by-product as well as steam.
Yes. Coal. They used coal to heat their homes. They used coal to power their industry. That has since ended. You said it’s greener now.

And coal plants don’t burn clean now. They remove the sulfer and nitrogen - which caused acid rain. And that’s only since the 90s when GHW Bush made it law. It moves those particulates from one waste stream to another.

It’s quite odd though… that as the use of coal (and hydrocarbons) for electricity has shrunk, that you’re seeing a greener world. Isn’t it? Coal, down to 42% in 1990. Under 20% today.

And nuclear… yeah, nuclear produces zero CO2. It takes water in. The nuclear rods boil it while simultaneously cooling those rods, it makes steam. The steam, water vapor, turns turbines on its way out. It produces water vapor, and only water vapor.
 
…like rationing based on a persons environmental / social credit score.

The only way those who are pushing the “green agenda” will be happy is when the lights are turn out for good for the 99% of us.

This is fear mongering nonsense.
 
Apple isn't reducing their own footprint; they're attempting to lessen yours. Which inevitably isn't going to work because most people aren't charging their devices off peak hours. So it's a useless feature.



You know that the planet is greener now than it has ever been since we've been able to see it via satellite imagery? No? Maybe look into it. The more carbon there is in the atmosphere, the healthier and more abundant foliage there is.

This is not true, maybe don’t get your info from oil funded denialists?




Yes and if you actually paid attention to said science you'd know we're still coming out of the Mini Ice Age and have not reached global equilibrium yet, hence the warming trend. Humans account for, at most, 5-7% of that heating, which isn't detrimental to literally anything, including us. Yes ecosystems will change, but that's always been the case and to say we can stop it is actually denying the science.

You’ve been fooled by oil industry propaganda, there are facts and then there are lies, all they do is lie, the question is, why do people still believe them?

Here’s some facts.


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Carbon dioxide is not visible in the air. You're conflating 2 different things. Particulates in the air from wood or coal fires is not what we're talking about. We're talking about carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere which people seem to think is exceptionally high when it's at one of the lowest levels in over 15,000 years according to the science. Carbon dioxide is what power plants predominately produce, not smoke or particulates.

What?? It’s at the highest it’s ever been in over 800,000 years, and shot up faster than ever since the start of the Industrial Revolution.

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It is interesting how humans think they are so important and can have such an impact on a planet that was around billions of years without them. Earth had mass extinction events before and will again long after all of us are dead no matter what we do or don't do.

I am not a climate change denier or whatever other buzzword someone will call me now, but I am being realistic here. Also you charging your phone only on clean hours is pointless when a celeb takes their private plane on 1 round trip.
 
It is interesting how humans think they are so important and can have such an impact on a planet that was around billions of years without them. Earth had mass extinction events before and will again long after all of us are dead no matter what we do or don't do.

The people who say the exact thing as you just did believe that our government literally controls the weather and has been causing all the apocalyptic flooding across the world this summer.

But now we “don’t have any effect”.

This is a childish view of the world and science, we have been pumping out giga tons of greenhouse gases into our relatively thin atmosphere for almost 200 years now. Where do you think it all goes? There isn’t a carbon fairy who magically makes it all go away.

Anyways, facts about the climate and our contribution to it aren’t hard to come by, some people just choose to deny them due to their politics, which is mostly an American thing.
 
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This is fear mongering nonsense.

“Amid what amounts to a virtually total collapse of its economy, Sri Lanka has introduced strict fuel rationing enforced by a QR code system linked to the national identification database.”

“NDTV reported on July 16 that the government had indeed launched a social credit system to manage fuel supplies as it announced the “National Fuel Pass,” which manages citizens’s weekly fuel quota and is tied to their National Identity Card (NIC) number.”

In the United States “We The People” have been assigned the RealID and all business owners will be required to register with the Corporate Transparency Act (CTA).

FedNOW is being implemented with the Central Bank Digital Currency not far behind.

Cash and coin are on the way out along with the traditional brick and mortar banking system.
 
What?? It’s at the highest it’s ever been in over 800,000 years, and shot up faster than ever since the start of the Industrial Revolution.

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Cool, you got me on that one. Now go back further. The maximum level we've recovered from strata (I think) was over 500 ppm and we had giant plant life during that time. If we drop below 150 ppm, life on the planet collapses and ceases to be. Mathematically humans account for approximately 2 ppm of the total over the last 1000 years' increase. The rest is the planet doing what the planet does.
 
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