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iOS 17 and iPadOS 17 will drop support for the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone X, first-generation 9.7-inch and 12.9-inch iPad Pro, and fifth-generation iPad,
Wasn't the first-generation iPad Pro 11-inch? 🤔 What's the 9.7-inch?
 
X runs so well though. I guess Apple has been adding too many emojis as major new feature each year and they take a lot of horsepower to render so A11 can't keep up with such advancements.
A lot of the newer iOS features like live text and FaceTime background blurring require the beefier Neural Engine found in the A12 and higher, so the iPhone X is already a second class citizen in that regard.
 
In my Darth Vader voice 'Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo'

Oh well, I am sure they will still provide security updates for another year for iOS 16, so, probably could hold out until iPhone 16 Pro Max.

You all recognize this planned obsolescence though, right? Because, Apple could still provide a base iOS 17 release that doesn't offer the new features but at least keeps the phone current with security updates and prolong the life of the device. I thought this company was about the environment.
 
A11 Bionic and iPhone X is getting pretty old in the tooth, that was late 2017. I don't know that many who still have that phone considering how we got several better form factors after that.
My iPhone X works just fine as a smart phone, and I see no reason to upgrade to anything newer right now. If it still works, it still works. But what is more important to me than iOS 17 is how long Apple will keep up with security updates for iOS 16.

I'm also on macOS Monterey because I don't have the new shiny Apple silicon. But it still works as an OS
 
Wasn't the first-generation iPad Pro 11-inch? 🤔 What's the 9.7-inch?
No, first generation iPad Pro came with the A9X with 12.9” (released fall 2015) and 9.7” (released spring 2016) screens. They were the first devices to support Apple Pencil, which was the headline feature at the time aside from the larger screen on the 12.9”.
 
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Except it is 6 years of software updates, with likely another 2 years of security updates. Meanwhile Google currently offers 3 years of software updates with another 2 years of security updates, and Samsung offers 3-4 years of software updates - please explain how Samsung and Google are better?
I didn't say it was better, I said (multiple times) its is not that great even without considering that Android doesn't need major updates for simples things like Apple likes to do. I expect more from Apple.
 
X runs so well though. I guess Apple has been adding too many emojis as major new feature each year and they take a lot of horsepower to render so A11 can't keep up with such advancements.
I held out as long as i could but had to jump to the 14 pro from the X. it was becoming pretty unbearable to use as a daily driver. Definitely couldn’t keep up well with the latest OS and apps.

The lack of 5G was also an issue, internet coverage was getting worse with only LTE.
 
Always was, as far back as I can remember. Big reason why I got out of the Mac ecosystem (still clinging to iPhone/Watch and Apple TV at least). It's wasteful to be throwing away devices that could potentially last another 5+ years on top of that, but when they even drop support for security updates, you don't have much of a choice.
My MacBook from 2013 still receives security updates and works amazingly. What are you on about?
 
Sad day for the original iPad Pro. What a beast that was when it launched.
 
Always was, as far back as I can remember. Big reason why I got out of the Mac ecosystem (still clinging to iPhone/Watch and Apple TV at least). It's wasteful to be throwing away devices that could potentially last another 5+ years on top of that, but when they even drop support for security updates, you don't have much of a choice.
Ten year old devices are getting security updates, my mother has an IPAD Mini that is on IOS 12 and still gets updates
 
Good thing I just picked up an M1 IPP 12.9 to replace my 1st gen IPP 12.9 during the Best Buy sale last week. Never noticed the speed of the 1st Gen IPP until I tried playing Marvel Snap on it.

The thing has lasted 7 years, and will be around for a lot more (now it's with the kids). It'll still be a great for watching videos/movies/etc for a long time. Been used every day since I got it.
 
Do you hear YOURself? The multi trillion dollar company didn't get there by having only your benefit in mind, and some of the support cutoff lines of late haven't been about a technical limitation but a mix of popularity and age. I.e, the A10 iPad being sold later still getting 17, but the iPhone X with a newer A11 not. The decisions have a PURPOSE, sure, but it's not always about supporting what we have as long as technically possible.

Amazing that 'Apple can do no wrong, they are our benevolent overlord' people like you still exist. If the A10 is still supported from the iPad but the A11 isn't in the iPhone, tell me what technical baggage they can clear? They have to still support a further back performance level, you aren't thinking.

Strange take on your part. The person you responded to said absolutely nothing about Apple being benevolent or doing no wrong ever. His point, which I agree with, is that every single thing they do is carefully considered by the best analysts around as a way to turn profit while keeping the brand intact. They do not just randomly decide to try things to see what happens, and this has turned them into the success they are today.

The other point he was trying to make which I also agree with is that absolutely NONE of the internet randos hanging out here are some special undiscovered management savant that could run things better than Apple runs already. If they were, they would have enough sense to be working toward sitting in that chair instead of hanging out here playing armchair CEO all the time.
 
I give the A10X at least one more year. The addition of 4GB of ram really made a big difference with longevity.
 
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That’s the one that introduced the Apple Pencil that has a cap and lightning connector
nope that was the big 12.9 inch one.

The 9.7 Pro followed in the summer of 2016 and whilst capable in many ways was lacking fast charging which was a particularly ****** thing of Apple to do.
 
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This is really disappointing

I have a variety of older relatives all on iPhone 8 Plus devices (for the home buttons and screen size)

Is apple ever going to care about accessibility again?

The older folks in my life need home button simplicity and large screens.

“Is Apple ever going to care about accessibility again?” Absurd histrionics. They do more than just about anyone for accessibility.

And unless your relatives had their faces blown off in WW2 they can use a more modern device. My 83 year old mother in law has no trouble handling a buttonless phone or looking at a screen to unlock and she can barely run a microwave.
 
Given the gap between iOS 11 and iOS 13 and then iOS 13 to iOS 16 for dropping device support, I'm a little skeptical that Apple would move to a model of retiring devices every year and drop devices with iOS 17 since they'd then have to maintain yet another iOS version with regular security updates for legacy devices. It'd make the most sense for all devices supported by iOS 16 to be supported by iOS 17. Then iOS 18 could discontinue support for the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and X and the iPad (6th gen), iPad (7th gen), iPad Pro 9.7", and iPad Pro 12.9" (1st gen). That'd allow them to eliminate support for all 2 GB devices, all A9(X) devices, and the last 5.5" iPhone and the last 9.7" iPad in one swoop.
 
I didn't say it was better, I said (multiple times) its is not that great even without considering that Android doesn't need major updates for simples things like Apple likes to do. I expect more from Apple.
Whenever devices are cut off from updating to the latest version of iOS, a lot of people seem to jump on this bandwagon of condemning Apple and act like these older devices are going to be bricked, when in fact it just means the devices won't be receiving the latest new features, but they generally will continue to function as they have with security updates for years. Look at the 5S - it is now over 9 years old (released fall 2013) and it received a security update back in January. I have a Pixel 4a that I use as a backup phone, and despite being not quite 3 years old it is about to be dropped from receiving software or security updates by Google. When you factor how long they are supported Apple devices are a better value.
 
I suppose that this hints that iOS 18 in 2024 will drop support for iPhone 11.

Things march forward I guess.
 
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