iOS 19 Expected to Run on These iPhones

[Sophytaylor6@]

It was meant to happen as the latest iOS 19 features might not be compatible with the older versions of iPhone.

 

[scorpio vega]

No what I said was that Apple give the impression that every device that gets iOS 18 will receive all these features & it’s only when you dig into the small print you discover that you don’t & they will do the exact same for the iPhone 12 series on iOS 19 have it miss out on certain features just so it can run smoothly

No. Anyone who is literate and has common sense can read the page.

I’m not sure if you are aware of what footnotes are used for. But Apple lists all the features of iOS 18 and that number beside the feature correlates and correspond a to a footnote.

To which you then scroll to read said footnote to get further clarification.

Apple didn’t give an impression. They stated facts about what product is getting what.

That’s what footnotes are for.

The fact you even admit they withhold features from an older model so it can run smoothly and then try to make it seem like that’s a bad thing is WILD.

next.

Then claim look at all the devices we support
The reason why you don’t get fundamentally the same exact same software experience on the XS & 11 series

You do get exactly the same software experience within the capabilities of hardware.

Hon I’m going to be honest with you. You’re flailing here and I am trying to give you an out to exit this conversation and yet you keep going and drowning.

The live transcription feature that is only for iPhone 12 and up is not a killer feature.

I seriously doubt that anyone would upgrade their phone for that sole feature.

The fact that you are using that obscure feature (a feature I didn’t even realize I had on my iPhone 13 or 16 pro max) to try and have a point is hilarious. Like no.

You’re blaming Apple bc they have a feature that doesn’t work with a certain chipset.

Come on now Stu. Next.

because they want you to upgrade said device it is not in Apple’s interest as a company to keep the majority of there customers on the same device for 6 to 7 years

Of course Apple wants you to upgrade. Every company wants you to upgrade. It’s In their best interest.

The common thread in our conversation is common sense.

That being said, along with the common sense that they want you to upgrade is the common sense that they also want brand loyalty.

There’s a reason why apple users are loyal to Apple. Same with Xbox. Same with PlayStation. Same with Nintendo.

Google nor Samsung don’t have the brand loyalty. Well I take it back. Samsung does in South Korea lmao.

So yes Apple wants you to upgrade as does every business. But to imply Apple is doing something shady or malicious is flat out facetious and false and laughable.

Next.

That is why someone on a XS that came out in 2018 will not get essentially the same OS as someone on a iPhone 13 or 14 series

It’s literally the same Os. There are no multiple versions of iOS 18.

Lacking a feature doesn’t imply it’s not the same Os.

Now that we have disproven your false claim let’s move on and stop making this same flawed argument. It’s giving redundant.

Next.

Now they might get the core OS as your alluding to here
But certain things will be withheld

I wasn’t alluding. I clearly was stating.

Common sense states that some features aren’t applicable based on hardware constraints.

Next.

That is why when the iPhone 4s got iOS 9 it was a disaster for it & shouldn’t have gotten it
So since then the bottom 2 tier iPhones are deliberately missing features as a consequence of that & they have done it every year like clockwork.

Are we really going back to the iPhone 4?
That’s how I know you don’t have a valid argument. You’re going back 10 plus years to justify a current situation.

Lmao please don’t make me spit out this bourbon. I paid too much money for me to be wasting it laughing.

Next.

if the bulk of android devices are sold because they are cheap & nothing else
Then that doesn’t explain why people buy an S24 or s25 ultra over the equivalent highest iPhone available if said iPhone is cheaper & not do with they think the device is better on a number of levels compared with iPhone offering

Bc they can. And probably bc they prefer Android over iOS. Again common sense.

If 100 million buy McDonald’s for dinner then 45 million buy gourmet burgers because they can.

You’re not making a point, hon.

 

[Stuwil]

No. Anyone who is literate and has common sense can read the page.

I’m not sure if you are aware of what footnotes are used for. But Apple lists all the features of iOS 18 and that number beside the feature correlates and correspond a to a footnote.

To which you then scroll to read said footnote to get further clarification.

Apple didn’t give an impression. They stated facts about what product is getting what.

That’s what footnotes are for.

The fact you even admit they withhold features from an older model so it can run smoothly and then try to make it seem like that’s a bad thing is WILD.

next.

You do get exactly the same software experience within the capabilities of hardware.

Hon I’m going to be honest with you. You’re flailing here and I am trying to give you an out to exit this conversation and yet you keep going and drowning.

The live transcription feature that is only for iPhone 12 and up is not a killer feature.

I seriously doubt that anyone would upgrade their phone for that sole feature.

The fact that you are using that obscure feature (a feature I didn’t even realize I had on my iPhone 13 or 16 pro max) to try and have a point is hilarious. Like no.

You’re blaming Apple bc they have a feature that doesn’t work with a certain chipset.

Come on now Stu. Next.

Of course Apple wants you to upgrade. Every company wants you to upgrade. It’s In their best interest.

The common thread in our conversation is common sense.

That being said, along with the common sense that they want you to upgrade is the common sense that they also want brand loyalty.

There’s a reason why apple users are loyal to Apple. Same with Xbox. Same with PlayStation. Same with Nintendo.

Google nor Samsung don’t have the brand loyalty. Well I take it back. Samsung does in South Korea lmao.

So yes Apple wants you to upgrade as does every business. But to imply Apple is doing something shady or malicious is flat out facetious and false and laughable.

Next.

It’s literally the same Os. There are no multiple versions of iOS 18.

Lacking a feature doesn’t imply it’s not the same Os.

Now that we have disproven your false claim let’s move on and stop making this same flawed argument. It’s giving redundant.

Next.

I wasn’t alluding. I clearly was stating.

Common sense states that some features aren’t applicable based on hardware constraints.

Next.


Are we really going back to the iPhone 4?
That’s how I know you don’t have a valid argument. You’re going back 10 plus years to justify a current situation.

Lmao please don’t make me spit out this bourbon. I paid too much money for me to be wasting it laughing.

Next.

Bc they can. And probably bc they prefer Android over iOS. Again common sense.

If 100 million buy McDonald’s for dinner then 45 million buy gourmet burgers because they can.

You’re not making a point, hon.

What are you going on about?
I quote
I religiously used Android from 2009-2023 despite knowing how crappy it was.
If that is the case then you obviously know more than myself who has owned every iPhone since the original
So I’m fully aware of how the OS updates & deliberately cut features off the older they get
That is why when the iPhone 12 series gets updated to iOS 19 it will miss out on certain features because it will then be in the bottom 2 tier just like the current ones the now.

What so apples chips are not powerful enough to handle certain things in the weather app on an iPhone 11 series
Yet before Apple bought the company you could get they things on an iPhone 11 series yet it somehow can’t handle it anymore?

Nobody is disputing that android OEM’s sell cheap phones & that’s one of the reasons for poor updates & older software

However if your experience is that inferior on a device over $800 dollars then your obviously not buying it because it offers a poor experience because then you have a choice of high end devices
So then cost isn’t the issue
Just like yourself you choose iOS because you like it some may disagree like getting rid of their iPhone 16 to S25 ultra because they think it’s a better device compared with Apple’s offering
So it’s about choice
Good day

 

[scorpio vega]

What are you going on about?
I quote
I religiously used Android from 2009-2023 despite knowing how crappy it was.
If that is the case then you obviously know more than myself who has owned every iPhone since the original
So I’m fully aware of how the OS updates & deliberately cut features off the older they get
That is why when the iPhone 12 series gets updated to iOS 19 it will miss out on certain features because it will then be in the bottom 2 tier just like the current ones the now

You’re repeating yourself.

And again they aren’t cutting off features just to solely get you to upgrade.

They are also trying to preserve device equality.

Your baseless claims that they target the bottom 2 is baseless. The bottom two are the oldest iPhones. It just happens they can’t run certain features.

What so apples chips are not powerful enough to handle certain things in the weather app on an iPhone 11 series
Yet before Apple bought the company you could get they things on an iPhone 11 series yet it somehow can’t handle it anymore?

Apparently not. That’s kind of how older hardware works. Certain things no longer are capable.

Common sense.

That’s the word of the day I see.

Nobody is disputing that android OEM’s sell cheap phones & that’s one of the reasons for poor updates & older software

You earlier tried to argue with me saying that Android isn’t popular solely because it’s cheap.

Yes that’s largely why it is popular.

However if your experience is that inferior on a device over $800 dollars then your obviously not buying it because it offers a poor experience because then you have a choice of high end devices

Okay and android sucks less on higher end device. Still sucks.

But trying to use higher end hardware to justify the majority of cheap hardware and it’s slow and lack of updates is a terrible argument.

Just like yourself you choose iOS because you like it some may disagree like getting rid of their iPhone 16 to S25 ultra because they think it’s a better device compared with Apple’s offering
So it’s about choice

Not exactly the most wise choice but if they like it, then bless their hearts. I can’t tell anyone what to buy. I can only push them to make better choices.

Good day

Days later, finally. Conversation is over.
You as well

 

[Stuwil]

You’re repeating yourself.

And again they aren’t cutting off features just to solely get you to upgrade.

They are also trying to preserve device equality.

Your baseless claims that they target the bottom 2 is baseless. The bottom two are the oldest iPhones. It just happens they can’t run certain features.



Apparently not. That’s kind of how older hardware works. Certain things no longer are capable.

Common sense.

That’s the word of the day I see.

You earlier tried to argue with me saying that Android isn’t popular solely because it’s cheap.

Yes that’s largely why it is popular.

Okay and android sucks less on higher end device. Still sucks.

But trying to use higher end hardware to justify the majority of cheap hardware and it’s slow and lack of updates is a terrible argument.



Not exactly the most wise choice but if they like it, then bless their hearts. I can’t tell anyone what to buy. I can only push them to make better choices.


Days later, finally. Conversation is over.
You as well

Hold on a minute buddy

Features that worked on dark sky app
On iOS that was working on an iPhone 11 series & the minute Apple buy the company & then pull the app
It’s then integrated into the weather app on iOS 18 & suddenly the iPhone 11 series can’t run they features
Yet before they could
Yet according to yourself Apple don’t deliberately pull features from older phones

 

[SactoGuy18]

If they decide on the user interface changes in iOS 19, I would personally NOT recommend iOS 19 for anything older than an iPhone 13/13 mini/13 Pro/13 Pro Max model. And I would stay with iOS 18.x until the first bug fix is out.

 

[Moukee]

If they decide on the user interface changes in iOS 19, I would personally NOT recommend iOS 19 for anything older than an iPhone 13/13 mini/13 Pro/13 Pro Max model. And I would stay with iOS 18.x until the first bug fix is out.

I feel like this whole "don't update older devices to newer versions" is blown a bit out of proportion. There's usually very little actual difference in performance (the newer version can sometimes even be faster in some aspects) and most of the actual slowdown can be attributed to newer versions of apps being more demanding. That may have been the case with the iPhone 4S for example, but devices have since reached a performance level that's way overkill for simply running the OS. For example, my first generation iPad Pro with the A9X ran iPadOS 16 just fine (I sold it since).

 

[SactoGuy18]

I feel like this whole "don't update older devices to newer versions" is blown a bit out of proportion. There's usually very little actual difference in performance (the newer version can sometimes even be faster in some aspects) and most of the actual slowdown can be attributed to newer versions of apps being more demanding. That may have been the case with the iPhone 4S for example, but devices have since reached a performance level that's way overkill for simply running the OS. For example, my first generation iPad Pro with the A9X ran iPadOS 16 just fine (I sold it since).

But if you want maximum performance out of a new iOS/iPadOS version, you have to do essentially a from-scratch install. That's not something I'd recommend for neophyte iPhone or iPad users. I think iOS 19.x could work well on n iPhone 12, but not as an upgrade from a previous iOS version.

 

[Stuwil]

I feel like this whole "don't update older devices to newer versions" is blown a bit out of proportion. There's usually very little actual difference in performance (the newer version can sometimes even be faster in some aspects) and most of the actual slowdown can be attributed to newer versions of apps being more demanding. That may have been the case with the iPhone 4S for example, but devices have since reached a performance level that's way overkill for simply running the OS. For example, my first generation iPad Pro with the A9X ran iPadOS 16 just fine (I sold it since).

I think there is a big difference the iPhone 4s should not have gotten iOS 9 because it couldn’t handle it & made the performance awful for people who had it.
I do think that Apple have learned that by increasing ram on iPhones have certainly made a difference for example the iPhone 6 started to struggle as it got older because of only having 1gb
The 6s on the other hand got 2gb so it handled OS updates as it got older.

Devices that have 4gb & above should be able to handle iOS 19 smoothly